well araav the signup post clearly said you shouldn't sign up if you had too little time, and there are some people waiting in line who would probably be more active, so replacing them sounds good to me.

araav

Armenia1590 Posts

February 27 2008 08:50 GMT

#102

man i clearly said "killing is bad"

MasterOfChaos

Germany2896 Posts

February 27 2008 10:58 GMT

#103

A longer description how to obtain real random numbers which the mafia cannot fake using hashes:

1. Do once(does not matter if done by a mafia)
give each possible target a number from 0 to TargetCount-1
post the list

2. Several players independently do(works if atleast one is no mafia):
create a random number from 0 to TargetCount-1
pad it with some more random stuff
result is ie 00-3423rsdf46A where 00 is the random number, the rest is only there for cryptoreasons
then put it into a hashfunction such as md5, sha1
post the resulting hash.

3. End hashpostingphase after enough players have posted a hash

4. Post strings and calculate random number
Now each player has to post his string ie 00-3423rsdf46
it can be tested that it is the string he chose earlier, by hashing it and comparing it to the hash posted earlier.
After each player who posted a hash has posted his string verify them and add the randomnumber in the string modulo TargetCount.

The resulting number is mapped to a player using the list created in the first step.

Yes I know it is complicated, but what do you expect of a programmer

I believe it's manipluationsafe, but as I am no real crytographer I am not sure.

NeaX

80 Posts

February 27 2008 11:06 GMT

#104

Hmm, only just woke up to find this post, I expected it to be in the general forum. Looks like I'm up for lynching allready, oops.
Individual random voting seems kind of weird. If a scum if the first one to post, it's a very easy first kill for the scum, if a scum is not the first one to post, it might be a bit harder for them, but it should still be pretty doable to manipulate the votes. Randombum seemed very quick to point out a 'random' person.

##Vote Randombum

Alethios

New Zealand2765 Posts

February 27 2008 11:33 GMT

#105

With 12.5 hours to go until the end of the day (1100 hours KST), here is the current vote list:

Neax(6): MidnightGladius, randombum, Caller, jtan, JeeJee, Jimtudor
Kingkosi(1): Empyrean
Folca (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler (1): NatsuTerran
ulszz (1): ulszz
randombum: (5): so no fek, kingkosi, jtan, Dr. Dragoon, so no fek, ZBiR, GeneralStan, Neax
JimTudor: (1): araav
betaben: (1): Artanis[xp], so no fek
GeneralStan: (1): bp1696
MidnightGladius: (0): GeneralStan
Klive5ive: (1): MasterofChaos
Fishball: (1): Kingkosi
Sadir: (1): Artanis[Xp]

Neax leads the voting with 6, closely followed by randombum on 5.

@MasterOfChaos: Sounds perfectly reasonable. Proceed if you wish.
@Neax: Good to see you. I've sent out PMs to the others who have yet to post, explaining the situation and where to find the game.

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

February 27 2008 12:55 GMT

#106

I'm going to vote as late as possible in an attempt to stop the scum from leaning the vote one way or another. If other people follow my lead we should be able to keep the vote random.
It would also help if we kept Neax and Randombum close on votes.

If both of them are good guys we learn nothing, but if one of them turns out to be scum we can maybe take some information from that.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

February 27 2008 13:36 GMT

#107

Just to point out..... You have So no Fek voting for me when he's unvoted for me.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

February 27 2008 13:37 GMT

#108

also, I voted for Neax a while back

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

February 27 2008 13:39 GMT

#109

##unvote neax since he posted, and his inactivity was my only reason before.

Unforgiven_ve

Venezuela1232 Posts

February 27 2008 14:25 GMT

#110

danm ths random vote is un cool, but...if i have to do it, then i vote for..

##Vote: Dr. Dragoon

if you were inocent in the other mafia, MAYBE YOU ARE SCUM HERE ;D;D

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

February 27 2008 14:25 GMT

#111

Woah somebody voted for me.
Not voting anything for anybody yet since I haven't read the first page still.
Didn't even know the game started until I got a PM from Alethios.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

February 27 2008 14:38 GMT

#112

Just going to bandwagon this one since everybody are just kinda voting randomly...
And there are no clues whatsoever.

Voting for ##Vote: Neax

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

February 27 2008 14:43 GMT

#113

Just an idea. Should we be able to have some minor clues among the list of Mafias/Zergs for the first day? Even the slightest clue would be different than just going "random".

Right now, everybody is just kinda fighting for our own survival in the first stage of the game.

Tracil

Australia505 Posts

February 27 2008 14:47 GMT

#114

No, there will be no clues.

NatsuTerran

United States364 Posts

February 27 2008 14:49 GMT

#115

##Unvote BloodyC0bbler

I'll revote later on closer to the deadline. Just to make sure I have this right, would 11:00 KST be around 8 pm in USA central?

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

February 27 2008 15:01 GMT

#116

On February 27 2008 23:47 Tracil wrote:
No, there will be no clues.

I know there will be no clues for this one, since most of the people have casted in their votes and it's almost hitting the deadlines anyways.

Was just a suggestion for future games.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

February 27 2008 15:02 GMT

#117

On February 27 2008 23:49 NatsuTerran wrote:
##Unvote BloodyC0bbler

I'll revote later on closer to the deadline. Just to make sure I have this right, would 11:00 KST be around 8 pm in USA central?

Uh, just use the TL.net clock in the top right corner... That is KST

Jimtudor

Canada259 Posts

February 27 2008 15:38 GMT

#118

Hmm, Neax sounds like a reasonable townie to me.

##Unvote: Neax

##vote: randombum

Jimtudor

Canada259 Posts

February 27 2008 15:39 GMT

#119

##Vote: Randombum

betaben

681 Posts

February 27 2008 16:09 GMT

#120

right. neax responded - you have no reason to vote for him. I'll vote for anyone voting for him because now it will be suspicious; also, out of the list, he with the most suspicious actions is randombum. so, for now,

##Vote: Randombum

random bum, I'm expecting a good defense. I have other suspicions, but since I was killed off last game for voicing them, I'm keeping them to myself. for now.