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bp1696
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States288 Posts
February 26 2008 17:32 GMT
#41
On February 26 2008 22:47 Tracil wrote:

If by 'clues' you mean things appearing in modposts akin to Chuiu's game, let this be another reminder that there aren't any, unless you count flips on death.


Uh, how are we supposed to find out who is who without clues?
Sleep is for the fishes
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
February 26 2008 17:48 GMT
#42
individual random voting is stupid. You need only very few determined voters to manipulate the vote to their likeing. Central random voting can be ensured by cryptographic means, but I am not sure this is within the rules, so I'd like a statement of a GM on this topic.

@bp:
We have to find out who is mafia by their behavior and with the help of detectives. Who accuses whom, who votes against whom etc just like in a offline mafia.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
NatsuTerran
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States364 Posts
February 26 2008 18:06 GMT
#43
Why is individual random bad? Even if a towny gets lynched, it will only be by like 4 votes. This makes it extremely easy to get started as it gives our detectives/cops etc a very focused sample of people to look at. If we all just listen to randombum and vote on Neax, we still have no leads and one less towny.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
February 26 2008 18:30 GMT
#44
If we use real random voting, we have a chance between 4/30 and 7/30 to kill a mafia, without the possiblity of the mafia interfering (using a trusted source of random numbers).
The advantage of individual random is, evenso it has a higher probability of a townie dying, that it might give us some information to analyze.
I still consider real random voting superior.

Anyways my random returned:
##Vote:23-Klive5ive
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-26 20:27:27
February 26 2008 20:19 GMT
#45
@bp1696: It's actually fairly uncommon for a game of mafia to have clues each morning. As you can see from the first game, the clues were often too ambiguous (thus leading to townies being lynched). Conversely, they might be too obvious.. leading to the mafia being on the receiving end.

Never fear though, since there is only 1 (or 2 with murderer) kill(s) per night, and everybody should be actively posting. I have no doubt that we'll see an exciting game that will come down to the wire. Look for clues in what people are saying, especially in retrospect after a death.

@MasterOfChaos: Regarding central random voting: Perhaps you could outline exactly what it is you are proposing. As long as there is no private communication however, I doubt there will be any problem.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
February 26 2008 20:20 GMT
#46
##Vote randombum
Twitter: @KingKosi
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
February 26 2008 20:30 GMT
#47
ulszz (1): ulszz


Can he vote for himself?
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-26 20:53:01
February 26 2008 20:36 GMT
#48
Yep, ulszz can vote for himself
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ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
February 26 2008 21:16 GMT
#49
So... uhm... This random vote thing is kinda stupid, but I'm not sure we have any better options... Whatever,
##Vote: randombum
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 26 2008 21:29 GMT
#50
WTF? people are voting for me because of random in my name?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 26 2008 21:33 GMT
#51
Nm read a little more it seems that because I was the first to suggest random killing it means I'm the first to die. So... how else was the town suppose to choose the first person? If you can think of a better way to start it off other than random numbers then I'll concede that you guys have a base to vote for me. However if you guys are voting for me because one person suggested that I should be killed for starting random numbers than I think thats worse.

Vote for a random number OR

Vote for the person who suggested using random numbers for fairness because one dude decided that I was mafia for being the first to pick a random number
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 26 2008 21:33 GMT
#52
On February 27 2008 06:29 randombum wrote:
WTF? people are voting for me because of random in my name?

I didn't even think of that, but that would be a cool way to choose. I actually got you in the number generator though.
~o~ I have returned
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
February 26 2008 21:37 GMT
#53
On February 27 2008 06:33 randombum wrote:
Nm read a little more it seems that because I was the first to suggest random killing it means I'm the first to die. So... how else was the town suppose to choose the first person? If you can think of a better way to start it off other than random numbers then I'll concede that you guys have a base to vote for me. However if you guys are voting for me because one person suggested that I should be killed for starting random numbers than I think thats worse.

Vote for a random number OR

Vote for the person who suggested using random numbers for fairness because one dude decided that I was mafia for being the first to pick a random number



I explained myself. I did a few random generations, and basically looked for 3 numbers to pop up out of 10. The first for this to happen was 4, which was my number, and then 24, which is yours.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 26 2008 21:37 GMT
#54
OR you could do something that will benefit us off the bat:

Start dialogue about whatever and kill anyone who doesn't speak. That way 2 things happen:

1.) If they are innocent but inactive they die anyway, and we get info on their role. No point in having anyone around that doesn't contribute so kill them anyway.

2.) By having the "everyone must speak" rule we make it so that Mafia also have to speak, which means any smart Innocents can potentially lure them into a logical trap and catch them in a lie.

So I'm going to go with the "anyone who doesn't speak" or contribute to the discussion in any way for the first day's vote.

Random lynching was a somewhat terrible choice mainly because we don't know how many Mafia members are in the game which makes it pointless.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 26 2008 21:47 GMT
#55
On February 26 2008 16:33 jtan wrote:
Here is why I think random voting is a bad idea: There is like 0% chance we will catch a mafia with the first lynch. All they gotta do is hop on a bandwagon against any townie, or claim to have randomed a townie.

So even though I have like zero information, I will still ##vote randombum because he was the first suggesting lynching a specific person. Would be free kill if it had started a bandwagon, and he could just say that it was completly random afterwards.


First so no fek and dragoon if you guys really did get me in the random generator than I have nothing against you. (Except maybe so no fek you know you are allowed to vote for yourself and able to change it away if it seems like you are about to die It would help me, but you have no reason to so that is why this entire thing is in parentheses)

Jtan, kingkosi and zbir however, are not voting off random number. They simply have followed Jtan's theory, which is wrong. We do not have 0% chance of getting a mafia, but at least 13.3_% (4/30) up to 23.3_%(7/30). That's decent based of pure luck.

While its a high chance to get a townie.... there is no real way to increase chances of targeting a mafia member.

However, if you guys really do insist on voting me off first because i was the first to suggest a name then I'm actually OK with it. It beats putting a lot of effort into this thread to lose 1/2 though. (Although these posts have taken some time) But I urge you guys to not kill me cause I would prefer to live. If disagree with random numbers then follow Ace's advice and get someone who does not contribute instead
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
February 26 2008 21:49 GMT
#56
On February 27 2008 06:47 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2008 16:33 jtan wrote:
Here is why I think random voting is a bad idea: There is like 0% chance we will catch a mafia with the first lynch. All they gotta do is hop on a bandwagon against any townie, or claim to have randomed a townie.

So even though I have like zero information, I will still ##vote randombum because he was the first suggesting lynching a specific person. Would be free kill if it had started a bandwagon, and he could just say that it was completly random afterwards.


First so no fek and dragoon if you guys really did get me in the random generator than I have nothing against you. (Except maybe so no fek you know you are allowed to vote for yourself and able to change it away if it seems like you are about to die It would help me, but you have no reason to so that is why this entire thing is in parentheses)

Jtan, kingkosi and zbir however, are not voting off random number. They simply have followed Jtan's theory, which is wrong. We do not have 0% chance of getting a mafia, but at least 13.3_% (4/30) up to 23.3_%(7/30). That's decent based of pure luck.

While its a high chance to get a townie.... there is no real way to increase chances of targeting a mafia member.

However, if you guys really do insist on voting me off first because i was the first to suggest a name then I'm actually OK with it. It beats putting a lot of effort into this thread to lose 1/2 though. (Although these posts have taken some time) But I urge you guys to not kill me cause I would prefer to live. If disagree with random numbers then follow Ace's advice and get someone who does not contribute instead
God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post
Twitter: @KingKosi
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
February 26 2008 21:51 GMT
#57
Killing someone who hasn't posted yet does make more sense, as they are either mafia, or won't contribute as a townie.

As for voting for myself, well, I'm a survivalist townie, and someone has gotta die. I really did get 24 a few tries after I got 4, and I'm not voting for myself. So, I'll look back at it, and possibly change my vote to an inactive.
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 26 2008 21:59 GMT
#58
On February 27 2008 06:49 Kingkosi wrote: God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post


How did you end up voting for me? Did You get me with random number generator too, or did you have your own reason for voting me?

As of right now I think its 5 votes for me with 2 of them being random numbers 3 of them being something else.
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
February 26 2008 22:02 GMT
#59
On February 27 2008 06:59 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2008 06:49 Kingkosi wrote: God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post


How did you end up voting for me? Did You get me with random number generator too, or did you have your own reason for voting me?

As of right now I think its 5 votes for me with 2 of them being random numbers 3 of them being something else.
It's just tough voting seeing is how there are no clues, and I would hate to have randombum who is contributing to get booted so early it seems that he like some of us want to catch some scum.
Twitter: @KingKosi
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
February 26 2008 22:03 GMT
#60
On February 27 2008 07:02 Kingkosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2008 06:59 randombum wrote:
On February 27 2008 06:49 Kingkosi wrote: God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post


How did you end up voting for me? Did You get me with random number generator too, or did you have your own reason for voting me?

As of right now I think its 5 votes for me with 2 of them being random numbers 3 of them being something else.
It's just tough voting seeing is how there are no clues, and I would hate to have randombum who is contributing to get booted so early it seems that he like some of us want to catch some scum.



Then change your vote, fool.
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