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(There are no clues in the novelisation of mafia, so don't even look for them. If the laws of physics are broken, a wizard did it.)
On the planet Thebes, somewhere in the Koprulu Sector...
A distant Terran team of archeologists had located an astonishing find. Under the cracked ice of the northen pole, they had discovered an ancient temple. It bore similarities to what the Terran's had seen of Protoss architecture, but seemed far more ancient than anything that had yet discovered.
Further exploration revealed that the temple was the gateway to a dormant Worldship! This massive spacecraft could move huge numbers of people and supplies, and came equipped with powerful weapons and new technologies beyond that of both Terran and Protoss scientists. As part of a diplomatic agreement, both races sent research teams to the find- as well as no small contingent of soldiers.
After the events of last week, soldiers are in short supply.
Somehow, the Queen of Blades knew of what was found, and dispatched her minions to wrest it from the researchers. A brutal battle ensued, and there were few survivors. Most of the life-support facilities were destroyed by the zerg in their initial attack, for they could easily survive in the cold climates- and thus all took refuge within the Worldship, hoping to either activate it's dormant controls or wait for reinforcements to arrive.
Alas, the Zerg hid within the place as well. And not only that, but new breeds of Zerg- intelligent creatures, who had devoured the bodies of the fallen outside and appeared as humans! They must be outed before they can cause harm- but how?
Through a system of democratic lynching, of course.
The power systems of the Xel'Naga ship were faulty, and the emergency lighting that was set up was not up to the task. Everyone now and then, it gave out, plunging the ship into darkness, and during that time, the Zerg would no doubt make their own move...
THEY ARE DELICIOUS RULES AND YOU WILL READ THEM.
FAILURE to follow these rules can result in getting MODKILLED. Ignore at your peril. My rulings are final. Be polite to the mod, for while he will not kill you for not breaking these rules, he is more likely to be merciless if you've been an ass.
- No editing your posts.
- No editing your posts.
- No editing your posts.
- No editing your posts.
- No editing your posts.
- No talking outside the thread unless your role specifically states that you may.
- No posting during game nights.
- No spectator posts with content.
- Do not directly quote your role PM or conversations with the mod. Paraphrase is okay. Check with me before posting if you're unsure. This includes posting screenshots of your PMs.
- There may or may not be third parties with separate win conditions from the town/mafia.
- Don't make up third parties with your own special win conditions or any crap like that if you weren't assigned one.
- There are no players or parties that would cause the game to end Day 1 or Night 1.
- Don't try to cheat or break the game in any way. Use common sense.
- PLAY TO WIN. Failure to at least put in an effort ruins the game for everyone else. Playing poorly is fine, and to an extent expected, but sabotaging your side deliberately or through massive apathy will get you modkilled.
- Please try to at least post a paragraph or two of useful content every 24 hours or so.
- You do not need to post "in character" or do anything special regarding flavor. If you want to, it's fine, but it may complicate the game or accidentally give away your role, which is generally bad.
-On Voting: To vote, post ##Vote: NameGoesHere. If you want to CHANGE your vote, you must first post ##Unvote, and you may then post a new ##Vote at your leisure. The hashes and the bolding exists so that it's easy to use search functions to find your votes. I will do my best to catch them all, but if I miss your vote and it was posted in the correct format, tough luck.
-Votecounts will be posted regularly, including records of who has voted and unvoted for who.
-The day ends when somebody has more than half the present population of the game voting for them; so, if 20 people are alive, 11 are required to lynch one man. The person is lynched the moment majority is reached, so further voting and unvoting will have no effect. When the metaphorical 'Hammer' hits, there is to be no more talking in the thread before the signal is given.
-Days will have a strict deadline; 48 hours for the first day, and 72 for the following days. At the deadline, whoever has the most votes will be lynched. I will enforce deadlines retroactively and post them at the very start of the day, so just because I'm not there to tell you it's over doesn't mean the day is actually continuing (although discussing past the time will be forgiven, votes and such won't be counted.) It is possible to get an extension on this deadline if there's sufficient outcry for it. Post ##Extension if you want one.
-If two people are tied with votes at deadline, the game goes into SUDDEN DEATH and the first person to be leading in terms of votes will be lynched instantly.
-Please get night actions in promptly if you have them, preferably in advance (I'm fine with you going "If X dies and is scum, then do my action to Y.") I don't want to wait more than 24 hours or so for night actions to get in, and will aim to start the new day as soon as they're all ready. A fast game is a good game!
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Possible roles that are present in the game can be found here.
+ Show Spoiler +Here are the roles I will be using! It is not guaranteed that all- or even many- of them will appear, and nor is it guaranteed how many of any one role is likely to appear. However, you can count on no roles that aren't listed here being present in the game. The Role PM you will receive if you get a particular role is in the spoiler tags, and contains all details of how the role works. Post any questions here and I'll answer them. <-> Town Roles: Town has a number of roles. You must PM me any choices you can make at night in a timely fashion; preferably in advance. If you take too long (say, longer than 24 hours), I will assume you do nothing and move on. Vanilla Townie = Terran Marine + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Marine! You have no powers, and win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Cop = Terran Ghost (may be sane, insane, naive, or paranoid) + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Ghost! You have psychic powers that allow you to read the minds of your enemies and determine whether they are scum or town... except that you're not sure if your neural inhibitors will interefere with your thinking process. A cop might be sane (returns the correct alignment of the target), insane (returns the opposite alignment of the target), paranoid (always returns scum!), or naive (always returns innocent!) You can select one person to use your psychic powers on each night. You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Rolecop = Protoss High Templar + Show Spoiler +You are a Protoss High Templar! You have psychic powers that allow you to read the minds of your enemies and determine if they have any unique powers. You don't find out their alignment,although since certain powers can only be possessed by one side or another, it can become obvious. If they have no powers, you learn nothing. You can select one person to use your psychic powers on each night. You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Watcher/Tracker = Terran Wraith + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Wraith! You can turn invisible and follow people around, thus determining if they have acted upon anyone this round, OR if anyone has acted upon them, and you learn the identies of those involved. YOu do not, however, learn if they are town or scum or what their powers are. You can select one person to follow each night. You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Roleblocker = Terran Science Vessel + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Science Vessel! With your mighty EMP shockwave, you can drain the energy from other units and prevent them from using their special night powers (this includes passive powers, like Bulletproof.) If you target the scum sent out on the kill, this means that the kill is prevented! The target will be informed that they were roleblocked, although not by who or how. You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Doctor = Terran Medic In An SCV That Can Build Shield Batteries + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Medic, who is riding an SCV, and that SCV can build Shield Batteries. You can watch one unit each night, and if they are attacked by the mafia, you can save them and prevent them from dying! You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Vigilante = Protoss Zealot + Show Spoiler +You are a Protoss Zealot, a powerful fighter with an unrivalled talent for destruction. You can select one unit each night and target them for destruction. They will be killed at night unless they are somehow protected. You do not have to kill at night if you don't want to. You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Bomb = Terran Vulture + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Vulture, but you planted your last spider mine and then ran out of fuel. Well, at least when someone tries to attack you, you'll take 'em with you! If you are targeted by a killer at night, you blow up and kill them as well! Also, if you get lynched, the last person to vote for you is likewise destroyed! You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Bulletproof = Terran Valkyrie + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Valkyrie! Ok, you're a sucky unit, but you DO have a lot of hit points. You can't be killed at night, because nothing can do enough damage to you fast enough. You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! Miller = Terran Siege Tank + Show Spoiler +You are a Terran Siege Tank! Everyone hates you because of friendly-fire incidents, and thus cops will detect you as scum! (Insane detects as town, etc. etc.) You win when there are no anti-town players left alive. Good luck! <-> Each night, the scum as a team get a single kill. They must select one member of their team to make the kill, and that person can't use their power that night. The Godfather makes the final call, but is encouraged, obviously, to talk with his friends about what to do. If the godfather dies, I will randomly pick another member of the mafia to PM me with the kill details. I strongly suggest scum exchange contact details; I'm willing to set up an IRC chatroom for scum to hang out in, or you can do that yourselves (although I'd like to sit in on it if you do. This isn't *required*, but I do like watching scum plot.) Vanilla Scum = Zerg Zergling + Show Spoiler +You are a Zerg Zergling, and you are scum! You have no special powers, but you can talk to your scumbuddies at anytime. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Roleblocker = Zerg Queen + Show Spoiler +You are a Zerg Queen, and you are scum! With your Ensnare ability, you can easily trap foolish townies and prevent them from moving fast enough to use their abilities that night (this includes passive powers, like bulletproof.) The target will be informed that they were roleblocked, although not by who or how. You select one target each night. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Rolecop = Zerg Overlord + Show Spoiler +You are a Zerg Overlord, and you are scum! You're really smart- you're a flying psychic brain, and you can use your detection powers to figure out what roles someone might have! You select one target each night and can find out their special role. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Terrorist = Infested Terran + Show Spoiler +You are an Infested Terran, just waiting to explode. At any time, you can make a post with ##Kill: (name) and blow yourself up, taking out one person of your choice with you! This will end the day. You do a whopping 500 damage, so there's no way to survive it even for bulletproof units. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Framer = Zerg Drone With a Psi Emitter + Show Spoiler +You are a Drone, and you got your claws on a Psi Emitter! You can use it to change the thoughts of someone and make it seem as if they are scum to cops! Sane cops return scum, insane cops will return town, etc. etc. You select one target each night. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Docbuster = Zerg Defiler + Show Spoiler +You are a Zerg Defiler, and you are scum! You have the power to bring about a plague upon your enemies, but you don't have that much mana, and can only do this twice during the game. The plague prevents town doctors from healing the target. You select whether or not you're using this power at night, and you will be seen as having acted on your target if you are being watched. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Godfather = Infested Ghost + Show Spoiler +You are an Infested Ghost. Smarter than the other zerg, you lead this particular mission. Since you are a psychic, like a Terran, cops will detect you as friendly to the town (and insane cops detect you as scum, paranoid cops detect you as scum, and naive cops detect you as town.) Also, because of your cloaking device, you can't be killed at night! Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. Scum Universal Backup = Zerg Larva + Show Spoiler +You are a Zerg Larva... and you have no powers. Except that you hold within you the key to each and every Zerg strain! This means that when one of the other scum perishes, you can choose to gain a copy of their powers! So, for instance, if the Rolecop dies, you can then become a rolecop. Once you become a new role, you can't change it later if someone else dies. You don't HAVE to change if you don't want to. Your buddies are... (other players and roles here.) You win when all non-scum parties are dead, or if such a situation is inevitable. <-> Third Party roles win alone. Serial Killer = Protoss Dark Templar + Show Spoiler +You are a Protoss Dark Templar! You hate everyone; the zerg for being mindless beasts, the other Protoss for casting you out aeons ago, and the Terrans for being such rednecks. You won't be satisfied until they're all dead, and each night, you select one enemy unit to kill. You MUST kill at night (or try to), and if you don't select a target, I'll select one for you at random. Aditionally, you cannot be killed by abilities that target you at night. You win when everyone else is dead, or such a situation is unavoidable.
Serials flip as 'third party' to sane cops, 'scum' to paranoid cops, and 'town' to insane and naive cops.
Still Alive!
1- Kingkosi
2- Sadir
3- MasterOfChaos
4- So no fek
5- MidnightGladius
6- Ace
7- jtan
8- araav
9- Fishball
10-BloodyC0bbler
11-NeaX
12-Artanis[Xp]
13-Jimtudor
14-betaben
15-NatsuTerran
16-bp1696
17-ZBir
18-Unforgiven_ve
19-Folca
20-Caller
21-ulszz
22-GeneralStan
23-Klive5ive
24-randombum
25-JeeJee
26-Infinity21
27-Empyrean
28-Scooter
29-Dr.Dragoon
30-chicken'
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The day ends in roughly 48 hours- let's say 11:00 KST on Feb 28. Good luck!
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(OOC: It might be a good idea to change the player list to reflect my replacing NiGoL-X17.
Good luck and have fun, everyone. Hopefully this session won't be as one-sided as the first one :/)
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Indeed, I'm hoping for a good fun (even) game. No one side owning the other. These rules seem harsh, but I guess they will be needed and useful. What happens when You haven't refreshed in a while and post at night?
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The first day features the election of the Mayor, correct?
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Well, I have my hands full with the first mafia game, but I wish everybody involved the best of luck.
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There is of course, some lee way regarding the day/night barrier. Don't abuse it however.
There is no mayoralty office. If you really want to elect one anyway... be my guest. It wont mean anything though.
Any other questions?
Best of luck.
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Ok! Modposts will all be in bold. Firstly, READ THE RULES. No, there is no mayor. Day 1 begins with a lynch. The strategies town uses to decide that lynch are up to them, but that's how it is.
As a tip to get things started, try voting for people and check out their reactions. Votes are there to be used, not hoarded, and you can always unvote.
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Poo, this is going up just as I'm heading to bed. Oh well, I'll throw my vote in sometime tomorrow, it will give me some time to see what other people come up with. :D
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Good luck to me, and to all that are playing
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I really don't know a way to determine who should be lynched. Maybe everyone post a reason why they shouldn't be the person lynched, or we randomly select someone and see what they respond with lol...
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Random number generator, set for 1-30?
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Sounds good to me.
##Vote NeaX
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Oh yes I have to put my vote in too  ##Vote NeaX Sorry NeaX, But I really did use the random generator from that website. (which claims they are so random casinos and lottery places use them). I did a random integer from 1-30 and 11 was what it came up with.
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So we don't know the exact number of scum? Or which special abilities of both sides there are?
Sounds like a fun game.
Will our roles be revealed after death? If so, there'll be vindication for any Terran.
##Vote Kingkosi
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Your roles will be revealed in your deaths in full.
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##vote Folca
Random number generator gave me your # sorry bud
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I got #10 ##vote BloodyC0bbler. So sorry T T
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hahahhahaha no fuckin joke
##Vote ulszz
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On February 26 2008 12:42 ulszz wrote:hahahhahaha no fuckin joke ##Vote ulszz
Rofl that's funny.
And why is everybody doing their own random number? This is going to end up with really split up votes... The plan was to random number one poor person and get rid of him as a town.
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I think it's better to just do it individually. The guy who posted Neax initially might be a mafia trying to get a quick hit right away.
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If everyone generates their own, any squabbling that ensues after will bring about the phase of voting i think, simpler to start this way when theres still close to two days to get the final vote official
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Eh fair enough, and I was the guy who posted NeaX  . I wanted a group decision right away for speed, but in the effort of fairness a random number from everybody will probably work... although it will take the 48 hours and in a sense will actually let a mafia choose their target. (IE everybody has 1 or two votes then two mafia pink a townie with 2 votes bringing it to four thereby killing him)
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On February 26 2008 12:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If everyone generates their own, any squabbling that ensues after will bring about the phase of voting i think, simpler to start this way when theres still close to two days to get the final vote official
I'm sorry i don't understand. There is going to be complaining regardless of how we do it. Absolutely no one has any kind of defense at this point. I just really feel bad about the fact that someone has to die based ENTIRELY off of ONE person's decision. If we really want a random person to be lynched first, it actually should be random, and not a massive bandwagon based on "luck."
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On February 26 2008 11:01 Tracil wrote:
PLAY TO WIN. Failure to at least put in an effort ruins the game for everyone else. Playing poorly is fine, and to an extent expected, but sabotaging your side deliberately or through massive apathy will get you modkilled.
Hahahahah :o
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On February 26 2008 12:56 NatsuTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 12:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If everyone generates their own, any squabbling that ensues after will bring about the phase of voting i think, simpler to start this way when theres still close to two days to get the final vote official I'm sorry i don't understand. There is going to be complaining regardless of how we do it. Absolutely no one has any kind of defense at this point. I just really feel bad about the fact that someone has to die based ENTIRELY off of ONE person's decision. If we really want a random person to be lynched first, it actually should be random, and not a massive bandwagon based on "luck."
I understand that, im just comparing it more to the mentality from the other mafia thread where thats generally what has happened.
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random.org gave me #24, sorry bum. [b]##Vote: randombum
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VOTECOUNT
Neax (3): MidnightGladius, randombum, Caller
Kingkosi (1): Empyrean
Folca (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler (1): NatsuTerran
ulszz (1): ulszz
46 hours to go. With 30 alive, it takes 16 to lynch.
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Dragoon, in situations like yours, it's probably best just to repost the vote. I'll mark you down this time though. Be a bit more careful in future with your editing.
The preview button is there for a reason.
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On February 26 2008 13:04 Alethios wrote:
Dragoon, in situations like yours, it's probably best just to repost the vote. I'll mark you down this time though. Be a bit more careful in future with your editing.
The preview button is there for a reason.
Yeah, I was actually repositing after I saw my error. Good thing I rechecked right before I did though. Thanks
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On February 26 2008 12:13 randombum wrote:Oh yes I have to put my vote in too ##Vote NeaX Sorry NeaX, But I really did use the random generator from that website. (which claims they are so random casinos and lottery places use them). I did a random integer from 1-30 and 11 was what it came up with. Hmm what you wrote bothers me, I mean you took all that time to explain yourself, if it was random like it truly was, no need to apologize like that I mean it's not your fault...
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lol, this random generator thing is funny.
Retried 10 times and it gave me 13 4 times!
13-##Vote Jimtudor sorry buddy, this is a stupid death at a stupid stage of the game.
though, if we have at least 7 mafiozos, then we have at least 7/30 chance of killing one
tracil, i propose declaring weekends (sat-sun) as non-game days
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Here is why I think random voting is a bad idea: There is like 0% chance we will catch a mafia with the first lynch. All they gotta do is hop on a bandwagon against any townie, or claim to have randomed a townie.
So even though I have like zero information, I will still ##vote randombum because he was the first suggesting lynching a specific person. Would be free kill if it had started a bandwagon, and he could just say that it was completly random afterwards.
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This was probably missed by many people, so here it is again. I quote:
"Exact number [of zerg] is a mystery. Somewhere between four and seven." - Tracil
Re: "No game weekends":
Given the time differences, the "weekend" would stretch for 4 days out of 7. Instead, if a majority of people will be unable to post over a given period, we could pre-extend the day.
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I did the random thing a few times, with 10 examples per try. I was just waiting until I got one number, three times in a go, and the first number to hit was 4. -_-
Next was 24, so:
##vote randombum
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I'm going to vote on someone that isn't active from the go, and someone which would be hard to identify from the clues that will be posted. This gives me a list of:
11.NeaX
14.Betaben
17.ZBir
21.Ulszz
Since I wish not to join a bandwagon right now, I will vote for Betaben.
##vote betaben
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VOTECOUNT
Neax (3): MidnightGladius, randombum, Caller
Kingkosi (1): Empyrean
Folca (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler (1): NatsuTerran
ulszz (1): ulszz
randombum: (3): Dr. Dragoon, jtan, so no fek
JimTudor: (1): araav
betaben: (1): Artanis[xp]
37 hours to go. With 30 alive, it takes 16 to lynch.
If by 'clues' you mean things appearing in modposts akin to Chuiu's game, let this be another reminder that there aren't any, unless you count flips on death.
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On February 27 2008 01:02 bp1696 wrote:
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##Vote GeneralStan
Hey come on now.
There's got to be something better we can do that we can do besides picking randomly? We've got a 10-15% chance of hitting scum with a random vote.
In any case, I think all this hate on Neax is wrong, so I'm going to go to the source
/##Vote MidnightGladius
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On February 26 2008 22:47 Tracil wrote:
If by 'clues' you mean things appearing in modposts akin to Chuiu's game, let this be another reminder that there aren't any, unless you count flips on death.
Uh, how are we supposed to find out who is who without clues?
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Germany2896 Posts
individual random voting is stupid. You need only very few determined voters to manipulate the vote to their likeing. Central random voting can be ensured by cryptographic means, but I am not sure this is within the rules, so I'd like a statement of a GM on this topic.
@bp:
We have to find out who is mafia by their behavior and with the help of detectives. Who accuses whom, who votes against whom etc just like in a offline mafia.
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Why is individual random bad? Even if a towny gets lynched, it will only be by like 4 votes. This makes it extremely easy to get started as it gives our detectives/cops etc a very focused sample of people to look at. If we all just listen to randombum and vote on Neax, we still have no leads and one less towny.
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Germany2896 Posts
If we use real random voting, we have a chance between 4/30 and 7/30 to kill a mafia, without the possiblity of the mafia interfering (using a trusted source of random numbers).
The advantage of individual random is, evenso it has a higher probability of a townie dying, that it might give us some information to analyze.
I still consider real random voting superior.
Anyways my random returned:
##Vote:23-Klive5ive
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@bp1696: It's actually fairly uncommon for a game of mafia to have clues each morning. As you can see from the first game, the clues were often too ambiguous (thus leading to townies being lynched). Conversely, they might be too obvious.. leading to the mafia being on the receiving end.
Never fear though, since there is only 1 (or 2 with murderer) kill(s) per night, and everybody should be actively posting. I have no doubt that we'll see an exciting game that will come down to the wire. Look for clues in what people are saying, especially in retrospect after a death.
@MasterOfChaos: Regarding central random voting: Perhaps you could outline exactly what it is you are proposing. As long as there is no private communication however, I doubt there will be any problem.
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ulszz (1): ulszz
Can he vote for himself?
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Yep, ulszz can vote for himself
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So... uhm... This random vote thing is kinda stupid, but I'm not sure we have any better options... Whatever,
##Vote: randombum
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WTF? people are voting for me because of random in my name?
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Nm read a little more it seems that because I was the first to suggest random killing it means I'm the first to die. So... how else was the town suppose to choose the first person? If you can think of a better way to start it off other than random numbers then I'll concede that you guys have a base to vote for me. However if you guys are voting for me because one person suggested that I should be killed for starting random numbers than I think thats worse.
Vote for a random number OR
Vote for the person who suggested using random numbers for fairness because one dude decided that I was mafia for being the first to pick a random number
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On February 27 2008 06:29 randombum wrote:
WTF? people are voting for me because of random in my name?
I didn't even think of that, but that would be a cool way to choose. I actually got you in the number generator though. 
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On February 27 2008 06:33 randombum wrote:
Nm read a little more it seems that because I was the first to suggest random killing it means I'm the first to die. So... how else was the town suppose to choose the first person? If you can think of a better way to start it off other than random numbers then I'll concede that you guys have a base to vote for me. However if you guys are voting for me because one person suggested that I should be killed for starting random numbers than I think thats worse.
Vote for a random number OR
Vote for the person who suggested using random numbers for fairness because one dude decided that I was mafia for being the first to pick a random number
I explained myself. I did a few random generations, and basically looked for 3 numbers to pop up out of 10. The first for this to happen was 4, which was my number, and then 24, which is yours.
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OR you could do something that will benefit us off the bat:
Start dialogue about whatever and kill anyone who doesn't speak. That way 2 things happen:
1.) If they are innocent but inactive they die anyway, and we get info on their role. No point in having anyone around that doesn't contribute so kill them anyway.
2.) By having the "everyone must speak" rule we make it so that Mafia also have to speak, which means any smart Innocents can potentially lure them into a logical trap and catch them in a lie.
So I'm going to go with the "anyone who doesn't speak" or contribute to the discussion in any way for the first day's vote.
Random lynching was a somewhat terrible choice mainly because we don't know how many Mafia members are in the game which makes it pointless.
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On February 26 2008 16:33 jtan wrote:
Here is why I think random voting is a bad idea: There is like 0% chance we will catch a mafia with the first lynch. All they gotta do is hop on a bandwagon against any townie, or claim to have randomed a townie.
So even though I have like zero information, I will still ##vote randombum because he was the first suggesting lynching a specific person. Would be free kill if it had started a bandwagon, and he could just say that it was completly random afterwards.
First so no fek and dragoon if you guys really did get me in the random generator than I have nothing against you. (Except maybe so no fek you know you are allowed to vote for yourself and able to change it away if it seems like you are about to die It would help me, but you have no reason to so that is why this entire thing is in parentheses)
Jtan, kingkosi and zbir however, are not voting off random number. They simply have followed Jtan's theory, which is wrong. We do not have 0% chance of getting a mafia, but at least 13.3_% (4/30) up to 23.3_%(7/30). That's decent based of pure luck.
While its a high chance to get a townie.... there is no real way to increase chances of targeting a mafia member.
However, if you guys really do insist on voting me off first because i was the first to suggest a name then I'm actually OK with it. It beats putting a lot of effort into this thread to lose 1/2 though. (Although these posts have taken some time) But I urge you guys to not kill me cause I would prefer to live. If disagree with random numbers then follow Ace's advice and get someone who does not contribute instead
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On February 27 2008 06:47 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 16:33 jtan wrote:
Here is why I think random voting is a bad idea: There is like 0% chance we will catch a mafia with the first lynch. All they gotta do is hop on a bandwagon against any townie, or claim to have randomed a townie.
So even though I have like zero information, I will still ##vote randombum because he was the first suggesting lynching a specific person. Would be free kill if it had started a bandwagon, and he could just say that it was completly random afterwards. First so no fek and dragoon if you guys really did get me in the random generator than I have nothing against you. (Except maybe so no fek you know you are allowed to vote for yourself and able to change it away if it seems like you are about to die It would help me, but you have no reason to so that is why this entire thing is in parentheses) Jtan, kingkosi and zbir however, are not voting off random number. They simply have followed Jtan's theory, which is wrong. We do not have 0% chance of getting a mafia, but at least 13.3_% (4/30) up to 23.3_%(7/30). That's decent based of pure luck. While its a high chance to get a townie.... there is no real way to increase chances of targeting a mafia member. However, if you guys really do insist on voting me off first because i was the first to suggest a name then I'm actually OK with it. It beats putting a lot of effort into this thread to lose 1/2 though. (Although these posts have taken some time) But I urge you guys to not kill me cause I would prefer to live. If disagree with random numbers then follow Ace's advice and get someone who does not contribute instead God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post
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Killing someone who hasn't posted yet does make more sense, as they are either mafia, or won't contribute as a townie.
As for voting for myself, well, I'm a survivalist townie, and someone has gotta die. I really did get 24 a few tries after I got 4, and I'm not voting for myself. So, I'll look back at it, and possibly change my vote to an inactive.
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On February 27 2008 06:49 Kingkosi wrote: God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post
How did you end up voting for me? Did You get me with random number generator too, or did you have your own reason for voting me?
As of right now I think its 5 votes for me with 2 of them being random numbers 3 of them being something else.
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On February 27 2008 06:59 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2008 06:49 Kingkosi wrote: God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post How did you end up voting for me? Did You get me with random number generator too, or did you have your own reason for voting me? As of right now I think its 5 votes for me with 2 of them being random numbers 3 of them being something else. It's just tough voting seeing is how there are no clues, and I would hate to have randombum who is contributing to get booted so early it seems that he like some of us want to catch some scum.
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On February 27 2008 07:02 Kingkosi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2008 06:59 randombum wrote:On February 27 2008 06:49 Kingkosi wrote: God I'm thinking about changing my vote to a person who hasn't contributed, I want to believe you really, I wasn't using Jtan's theory I didn't even read his post How did you end up voting for me? Did You get me with random number generator too, or did you have your own reason for voting me? As of right now I think its 5 votes for me with 2 of them being random numbers 3 of them being something else. It's just tough voting seeing is how there are no clues, and I would hate to have randombum who is contributing to get booted so early it seems that he like some of us want to catch some scum.
Then change your vote, fool.
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Changing my vote from randombum to
##Vote: 14.Betaben
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Yeah I will, I'm just going to do some tracking and vote someone who hasn't been contributing.
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Wow, I fail at reading the rules. >.>
##Unvote randombum
##Vote Betaben
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##unvote randombum
##vote Fishball
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On February 27 2008 07:23 randombum wrote:
<3
No problem man lets get some Scum
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woah, holy shit. that's unfair! some of us have jobs!!
anyway I think the random thing is crap, too. on average, each number will be generated once - so if all townies generate one random number, it'd be easy for only one or two mafia to come along and skew it. so, given that we're going with the random number thing, I think it might be pertinent to look into who is trying to do that, skew the vote.
that's why I would now abandon the random number thing and look at what people have said. If that gives no clues, I unfortunately would have to agree that with no information, the most bland people are to aim for because they will not be identifiable later.
I'm going to hang back with my vote just for now to see what you all get up to - after all, that'd be the best clue gathering tactic.
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I'm not so sure myself I'm going to keep my vote on a random person. Finding a non-contributer might be better. We'll see in another day after they have had their chances if they are in different time-zones. I really just wanted to start the game so that special moves can happen and clues be given for the next day. I did expect people to instantly think I was mafia, but I hoped that we could just move on and my actions though out the rest of the game would point out my towniehood.
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I can appreciate the finding a non contributer, its just harsh at the moment as someone said earlier, weekends are a hard time to get people to play due to part time jobs for university students or any event as the like. It will be easier to vote tommorrow though so once day one is done, we should be able to get this ball rolling faster.
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On February 27 2008 06:47 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 16:33 jtan wrote:
Here is why I think random voting is a bad idea: There is like 0% chance we will catch a mafia with the first lynch. All they gotta do is hop on a bandwagon against any townie, or claim to have randomed a townie.
So even though I have like zero information, I will still ##vote randombum because he was the first suggesting lynching a specific person. Would be free kill if it had started a bandwagon, and he could just say that it was completly random afterwards. First so no fek and dragoon if you guys really did get me in the random generator than I have nothing against you. (Except maybe so no fek you know you are allowed to vote for yourself and able to change it away if it seems like you are about to die It would help me, but you have no reason to so that is why this entire thing is in parentheses) Jtan, kingkosi and zbir however, are not voting off random number. They simply have followed Jtan's theory, which is wrong. We do not have 0% chance of getting a mafia, but at least 13.3_% (4/30) up to 23.3_%(7/30). That's decent based of pure luck. While its a high chance to get a townie.... there is no real way to increase chances of targeting a mafia member. However, if you guys really do insist on voting me off first because i was the first to suggest a name then I'm actually OK with it. It beats putting a lot of effort into this thread to lose 1/2 though. (Although these posts have taken some time) But I urge you guys to not kill me cause I would prefer to live. If disagree with random numbers then follow Ace's advice and get someone who does not contribute instead
First, I maintain that randoming this early would yield a lot lower than a 13.3% to get a mafia, since mafias obviously wont random honestly. If they see 1 person got 2 votes then add 2 more and he's pretty dead.
Also, what made me vote for you was mainly this post
On February 26 2008 12:45 randombum wrote:
(...)
Rofl that's funny.
And why is everybody doing their own random number? This is going to end up with really split up votes... The plan was to random number one poor person and get rid of him as a town.
Yeah, so everybody was just gonna go ahead and use your number?
Still I don't really think you're mafia, but you are the only person who said something a little bit suspicious so I'll keep my vote on you for now.
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VOTECOUNT
Neax (3): MidnightGladius, randombum, Caller
Kingkosi (1): Empyrean
Folca (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler (1): NatsuTerran
ulszz (1): ulszz
randombum: (3): so no fek, kingkosi, Dr. Dragoon, jtan, so no fek, ZBiR
JimTudor: (1): araav
betaben: (2): Artanis[xp], so no fek
GeneralStan: (1): bp1696
MidnightGladius: (1): GeneralStan
Klive5ive: (1): MasterofChaos
Fishball: (1): Kingkosi
27 hours to go. With 30 alive, it takes 16 to lynch.
If it's unclear, names in italics represent people who have voted for this person earlier in the day, and later retracted their votes.
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hmmm...I actually think Jtan is an innocent Townie.
His post makes way too much sense to be Mafia
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On February 27 2008 07:54 Ace wrote:
hmmm...I actually think Jtan is an innocent Townie.
His post makes way too much sense to be Mafia
No it doesn't. You should always be suspicious of the people who make too much sense, especially when they're doing it at a point when they're not in danger.
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I have to agree that randombum sounds a little suspcious. If we're doing it by random, he's as good a choice as any, if he's scum trying to get a townie lynched, then great!
##Unvote MidnightGladius
##Vote randombum
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On February 27 2008 08:06 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2008 07:54 Ace wrote:
hmmm...I actually think Jtan is an innocent Townie.
His post makes way too much sense to be Mafia No it doesn't. You should always be suspicious of the people who make too much sense, especially when they're doing it at a point when they're not in danger.
As opposed to be believing in people that DONT make sense?
honestly, I'd rather take my chances on someone intelligent because an idiot is gonna get us killed no matter what side they are on.
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This round of voting is rather silly.
Random votes don't really work because the SCUM can vote too.
If we are going to random vote we need to wait til the last moment and then vote together, otherwise it's almost certain that the SCUM will kill one of us off.
Oh and by the way, I'm a marine.
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On February 27 2008 08:27 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2008 08:06 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 27 2008 07:54 Ace wrote:
hmmm...I actually think Jtan is an innocent Townie.
His post makes way too much sense to be Mafia No it doesn't. You should always be suspicious of the people who make too much sense, especially when they're doing it at a point when they're not in danger. As opposed to be believing in people that DONT make sense? honestly, I'd rather take my chances on someone intelligent because an idiot is gonna get us killed no matter what side they are on.
You don't have to believe anyone. At this point, I only trust myself and I'll keep it that way for awhile. If I let someone influence me at this point in the game, I could just end up being their pawn. Just look at the other mafia game. Everyone thinks so and so makes sense, they follow them, town gets screwed.
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Oh I dont TRUST anyone right now, I'm just pointing out who is making sense and who isn't.
Just because I'm saying I believe Jtan isn't Mafia doesn't mean I really do - Mafia aren't the only ones who can play games.
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##Unvote betaben
##Vote Sadir
I like the idea of voting for people who haven't posted anything interesting yet, and will adapt using the same strategy. It'll be the only way to get people to talk, which is beneficial for town.
As of now, I don't really suspect anyone yet. I hope that the person that whoever gets killed at night by the mafia will give us a lead as to who could be suspicious, but I have the idea that it'll take a while before we see anything useful popping up.
I'm also opposed to the idea of voting for RandomBum just because he started with the random numbers idea. With this train of thought, no one would ever suggest anything new anymore, which is obviously not a good thing for town.
Also, if there are any cops out there, I suggest they investigate the lynch to find out what cop they are, though you'll need to investigate both one scum and one townsfolk to be sure of your role, as you could be paranoid or naive as well. Let's see where this leads us.
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You can't target dead people with any abilities. I, uh, never thought that would need to be said, actually.
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On February 27 2008 08:31 Klive5ive wrote:
This round of voting is rather silly.
Random votes don't really work because the SCUM can vote too.
If we are going to random vote we need to wait til the last moment and then vote together, otherwise it's almost certain that the SCUM will kill one of us off.
Oh and by the way, I'm a marine.
Yeah I wish we could do that, but there's timezone differences so that's pretty much out of the question
The only one who has said anything remotely suspicious is randombum (overqualifying his choice and wanting to kill the person quickly) but even that's a stretch.
for now, i will make a list of people who haven't posted yet -- they're either inactive townies (bad for us in general) or mafia that's scared they will slip up (which is obviously bad for us too)
Sadir
Fishball
NeaX
Jimtudor
Unforgiven_ve
infinity21
Scooter
chicken`
Tell me if i missed anyone or got someone wrong
I think working with this group of people gives us better chances of catching a non-townie
But, i can't think of a way to pick among these guys so i randomed from 1-8 and got 3 the most
+ Show Spoiler [random.org results] +
Here are your random numbers:
3 8
4 7
6 2
1 3
1 3
Timestamp: 2008-02-26 23:51:02 UTC
I guess I ##Vote: NeaX
He was one of the first accused and hasn't said a word yet (it's been a while). kinda strange
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Such an awesome voting method, the townies in the other game could learn from you guys
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Yeah Artanis has a good point, we need to force discussions. Easiest way to get away with mafia is to stay quiet and the more they talk the liklier they are to give something away or act suspicious. This might be a better strat this early than vague and pretty ungrounded suspicions.
I therefore ##unvote randombum
and ##vote Neax
I'd be happy to change it to somebody else inactive if neax posts some of his thoughts.
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Yeah given our success there, random voting would've been better. Rough calculations say it would've been about a 33% chance in 5 lynches to get 0 mafia
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I also vote for Neax so he could at least say something.
Also guys, the strategy of forcing people to talk isn't always to just kill the quiet ones, but to catch potential Mafiosos slipping up.
##vote Neax
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Hmm. Funny what just happened:
randombum suggests lynching neax
people starts suspecting randombun
randombum declares himself innocent
we go back to voting neax -_-
I might have walked a trap here haha
must be ROFL for all mafia if they actually pulled this off. But it might just be a coincidence.
Perhaps I should change my vote again. Feels like whoever I vote on is most likely innocent so I don't know. We need more talking!
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Neax isn't here to defend himself, so it's going to be hard for people to not vote against him.
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Oh, you can't use your cop abilities on dead people? Too bad :/
It's pretty hard to find out what kind of cop you are in that way then. Hope those people have a better idea then I do.
Let's see what NeaX pops up as. It's probably a 1/7th chance as he is likely to be inactive, whether scum or not since an active player would obviously try to prevent getting lynched.
We'll see what happens.
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Great, people are jumping on voting bandwagons because they're not posting? What if it's nighttime in Europe or something?
:/
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Its been almost a full 24 hours emp, we only have another day to get it down
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We'll see how they post tonight Emp, but they have had ample time to post. Even considering weekends they have had most of Monday and a lot of today. Still we have about until this time tomorrow before its finalized.
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Pretty much. We have to lynch someone the first day, and we have absolutely nothing else to go on. Sure, someone might slip up on the first day, and post something really stupid, that links them to scum, but it's really unlikely. It's pretty much either randomly vote for someone, or randomly vote for someone who hasn't posted. :S
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And thats what random was trying to do from the start. He got random number and wanted us to vote for that person just to get this thing over with, at the moment we have nothing else to go on.
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On February 27 2008 09:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Such an awesome voting method, the townies in the other game could learn from you guys
shut up scum!
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Remember, I suggested the RNG, somewhat sarcastically, might I add. randombum actually did it
Take that into consideration, if you wish.
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Yea, that was my bad. I just wasn't paying quite close enough attention. My vote is on randombum now anywho
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Your friendly mod here! I have a list of people who haven't spoken and am crossing them off as they do. People who haven't spoken will be replaced at the end of the day, and killed if there are no more replacements. The selection is totally at random and will include people with roles, so *get out there and talk*.
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Darn, I had a late project to finish. But what is there to discuss right now without clues.
Sorry, ##vote Neax
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will neax get replaced before he's lynched? because that would be a paradox - the guy who'd replace him is replacing him to be more vocal just before being killed for not being vocal.
I guess that makes him safe from the modkill (there'd be no point in replacing him just before he dies). or do people get replaced after the lynching?
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Tracil, killing inactive people at the end of day is NO good, man. People can sometimes be VERY busy for a couple of days and do not even visit tl. This can kill the town quite fast.
Unless we get some popularity at TL.net and have a long queue of waiting list
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well araav the signup post clearly said you shouldn't sign up if you had too little time, and there are some people waiting in line who would probably be more active, so replacing them sounds good to me.
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man i clearly said "killing is bad"
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Germany2896 Posts
A longer description how to obtain real random numbers which the mafia cannot fake using hashes:
1. Do once(does not matter if done by a mafia)
give each possible target a number from 0 to TargetCount-1
post the list
2. Several players independently do(works if atleast one is no mafia):
create a random number from 0 to TargetCount-1
pad it with some more random stuff
result is ie 00-3423rsdf46A where 00 is the random number, the rest is only there for cryptoreasons
then put it into a hashfunction such as md5, sha1
post the resulting hash.
3. End hashpostingphase after enough players have posted a hash
4. Post strings and calculate random number
Now each player has to post his string ie 00-3423rsdf46
it can be tested that it is the string he chose earlier, by hashing it and comparing it to the hash posted earlier.
After each player who posted a hash has posted his string verify them and add the randomnumber in the string modulo TargetCount.
The resulting number is mapped to a player using the list created in the first step.
Yes I know it is complicated, but what do you expect of a programmer 
I believe it's manipluationsafe, but as I am no real crytographer I am not sure.
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Hmm, only just woke up to find this post, I expected it to be in the general forum. Looks like I'm up for lynching allready, oops.
Individual random voting seems kind of weird. If a scum if the first one to post, it's a very easy first kill for the scum, if a scum is not the first one to post, it might be a bit harder for them, but it should still be pretty doable to manipulate the votes. Randombum seemed very quick to point out a 'random' person.
##Vote Randombum
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With 12.5 hours to go until the end of the day (1100 hours KST), here is the current vote list:
Neax(6): MidnightGladius, randombum, Caller, jtan, JeeJee, Jimtudor
Kingkosi(1): Empyrean
Folca (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler (1): NatsuTerran
ulszz (1): ulszz
randombum: (5): so no fek, kingkosi, jtan, Dr. Dragoon, so no fek, ZBiR, GeneralStan, Neax
JimTudor: (1): araav
betaben: (1): Artanis[xp], so no fek
GeneralStan: (1): bp1696
MidnightGladius: (0): GeneralStan
Klive5ive: (1): MasterofChaos
Fishball: (1): Kingkosi
Sadir: (1): Artanis[Xp]
Neax leads the voting with 6, closely followed by randombum on 5.
@MasterOfChaos: Sounds perfectly reasonable. Proceed if you wish.
@Neax: Good to see you. I've sent out PMs to the others who have yet to post, explaining the situation and where to find the game.
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I'm going to vote as late as possible in an attempt to stop the scum from leaning the vote one way or another. If other people follow my lead we should be able to keep the vote random.
It would also help if we kept Neax and Randombum close on votes.
If both of them are good guys we learn nothing, but if one of them turns out to be scum we can maybe take some information from that.
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Just to point out..... You have So no Fek voting for me when he's unvoted for me.
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also, I voted for Neax a while back
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##unvote neax since he posted, and his inactivity was my only reason before.
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danm ths random vote is un cool, but...if i have to do it, then i vote for..
##Vote: Dr. Dragoon
if you were inocent in the other mafia, MAYBE YOU ARE SCUM HERE ;D;D
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Woah somebody voted for me.
Not voting anything for anybody yet since I haven't read the first page still.
Didn't even know the game started until I got a PM from Alethios.
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Just going to bandwagon this one since everybody are just kinda voting randomly...
And there are no clues whatsoever.
Voting for ##Vote: Neax
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Just an idea. Should we be able to have some minor clues among the list of Mafias/Zergs for the first day? Even the slightest clue would be different than just going "random".
Right now, everybody is just kinda fighting for our own survival in the first stage of the game.
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No, there will be no clues.
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##Unvote BloodyC0bbler
I'll revote later on closer to the deadline. Just to make sure I have this right, would 11:00 KST be around 8 pm in USA central?
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On February 27 2008 23:47 Tracil wrote:
No, there will be no clues.
I know there will be no clues for this one, since most of the people have casted in their votes and it's almost hitting the deadlines anyways.
Was just a suggestion for future games.
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On February 27 2008 23:49 NatsuTerran wrote:
##Unvote BloodyC0bbler
I'll revote later on closer to the deadline. Just to make sure I have this right, would 11:00 KST be around 8 pm in USA central?
Uh, just use the TL.net clock in the top right corner... That is KST
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Hmm, Neax sounds like a reasonable townie to me.
##Unvote: Neax
##vote: randombum
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right. neax responded - you have no reason to vote for him. I'll vote for anyone voting for him because now it will be suspicious; also, out of the list, he with the most suspicious actions is randombum. so, for now,
##Vote: Randombum
random bum, I'm expecting a good defense. I have other suspicions, but since I was killed off last game for voicing them, I'm keeping them to myself. for now.
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Switching tracks!
##Unvote: Neax
##vote: randombum[/QUOTE]
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
damn
didn't check the blogs
sry for not posting )=
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On February 28 2008 01:09 betaben wrote:
right. neax responded - you have no reason to vote for him. I'll vote for anyone voting for him because now it will be suspicious; also, out of the list, he with the most suspicious actions is randombum. so, for now,
##Vote: Randombum
random bum, I'm expecting a good defense. I have other suspicions, but since I was killed off last game for voicing them, I'm keeping them to myself. for now.
Well if everybody kept their suspicions to themselves and never spoke it would be easier for the mafia.
And also, by saying that you are suspisious of certain people, but not telling anyone yet, wouldn't that make it more profitable for mafia to kill you and shut you up?
imo more talk is always better for town.
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Not sure if voting for randombum is a good choice, seeing as how someone had to suggest something..if we lynch people for making suggestions, where does that leave us as a town?
instead I suggest we revise my list of people who haven't posted and see if any remain
previous list
Sadir - POSTED
Fishball - POSTED
NeaX - POSTED
Jimtudor - POSTED
Unforgiven_ve - POSTED
infinity21 - NOT POSTED
Scooter - NOT POSTED
chicken` - NOT POSTED
so, infinity21, Scooter, and chicken` remain
Once again, random.org from 1-3 gives me
+ Show Spoiler [random.org results] +
Here are your random numbers:
1 1
2 2
1 3
2 2
3 3
Timestamp: 2008-02-27 16:54:39 UTC
So, 2 it is
##Unvote NeaX
##Vote Scooter
Either way this promotes discussion (although i'd like to mention that a lot of people on this listed simply posted saying "hey i'm here" without adding any value
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Seeing NeaX back I'm more than happy to un-vote him before the days up if people feel that makes me mafia (Yes I prefer self-preservation before random voting.)
I only brought up random voting originally because we had no better option at the time. If suggesting a way to start the game is grounds to get my lynched then I feel like the town will lose regardless. Because after I turn up town nobody else will be likely to suggest openly.
Furthermore why are people like fishballs just joining the bandwagons. I believe that votes should be accompanied by reasons, so that when somebody gets lynched it is easy to go back and determined who wanted him dead and why. (If its mafia yay, but if its a townie then one must consider could it have been a mafia who wanted him dead)
And can somebody please point out these so called suspicious actions of mine besides being the first to offer a solution to the town's problem of who to vote for on the first day when there are no clues to go on?
I've got class now so I'll come back in about 3 hours and re-defend myself if people have substantial claims against me.
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
uh I have so no clue for whoem to vote
I would suggest everybody to make a word file or w/e and write down their suspicion (good, evil)
it's easier to keep the survey of the whole thread
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I'd still like to see someone who hasn't posted booted. (That's the only reason I voted for you, at the time, betaben).
##Unvote: betaben
##Unvote: randombum
(Unvoting randombum because I am listed as a vote for him)
##Vote: Scooter
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unless ive missed a post past the first page "good luck to everyone and myself" i havent seen folca post, so if people are still voting based on a random number generator, they should add him to the list, as such im leaving him as my vote since i random'd him first.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
Oh man I missed the thread completely. It's already out of the blogs in the front page, no?
Do we have to post every day? Because I can't guarantee to visit TL every day due to school.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
##VOTE:Randombum
because... it's random anyways.
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On February 28 2008 03:02 infinity21 wrote:
Oh man I missed the thread completely. It's already out of the blogs in the front page, no?
Do we have to post every day? Because I can't guarantee to visit TL every day due to school.
Ill harass you over msn to post often, how does that work?
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Germany2896 Posts
I still say we should use the organized randomvote I proposed earlier. Atm we have no informations from the detectives, so we gain manipulationsafety without any price. In later days coordinated randomvoting loses usefullness, as the detectives get more informations. (It takes a normal cop 2-3 nights to find out what kind of cop he is, a rolecop is immediatly ready)
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On February 28 2008 01:32 jtan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 01:09 betaben wrote:
right. neax responded - you have no reason to vote for him. I'll vote for anyone voting for him because now it will be suspicious; also, out of the list, he with the most suspicious actions is randombum. so, for now,
##Vote: Randombum
random bum, I'm expecting a good defense. I have other suspicions, but since I was killed off last game for voicing them, I'm keeping them to myself. for now. Well if everybody kept their suspicions to themselves and never spoke it would be easier for the mafia. And also, by saying that you are suspisious of certain people, but not telling anyone yet, wouldn't that make it more profitable for mafia to kill you and shut you up? imo more talk is always better for town.
so, a few things which are frustrating me:
I said for now! please, noone jump on this bandwagon, make up you own decisions on what people say, because they are the only clues! the mafia will be wanting to sway us, so its important not to just follow anyone blindly.
so, my reasons for keeping guarded are two-fold: again, as I said, in the last game I was killed of straight away - I think it was because of good guesses; you might say, "well, we all know now what you think and now that you're dead we'll look into what you said and take it more seriously", but this did not happen in the first game.
naming more than one person at once not only gets you targeted but is useless because we can only lynch one person at once, (atm), so I'm only going to chose my most prominent suspicions to share with the town. also, I have suspicions only. if I voice them, it'll look like I'm accusing people without basis - which would be mafia-like. I'll wait for more evidence before making a stronger case.
and lastly, I am really against this non-talking thing. people who do not say anything are going to get mod killed anyway. we should go for people who do say stuff, because we have some information on them, and they're not going to get killed anyway by the moderator.
I was hoping this was clear in my first post, and I'm re-iterating, so this will be the last I say on it, as you can chose to ignore it or not.
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Obviously following anybody blindly is a bad idea, but looking at different peoples arguments and evaluating their reasons, and do so in an open debate seems to be the only way to get information. There are no clues this game, so without discussion we could just go on random-voting forever.
I see your point about getting targeted when making a good guess, but the only way to get a mafia is to point him out as suspicious and get people to listen.
But yeah, perhaps it's better to collect some more evidence before posting to make more people believe you...I don't know. But it feels pretty hopeless right now.
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infinity21- By using my name to vote for a random person is not quite what random voting is really about.... This seems very mafia like to me (Not posting a lot, but getting in their vote to lynch)
Jimturder- Another person who gives no explanation whatsoever who trying to lynch somebody (me) This really does not contribute to the town. If you have accusations of me you should list them so that the other townies will lynch me with you. Voting for a lynch with no substance behind it is rather mafia like.
Betaben- Again I ask what makes you think I'm a mafia by my words. You ask me to defend myself, but vague defenses are not as useful as you telling me what you think makes me a mafia so I can explain myself better. I understand that you want to vote for me because NeaX is now active, but the only reason he was chosen was because a random number generator did not like him.
God, I feel like I'm doing so much work and it is causing more and more people to target me. I'm putting the most into this thread (outside mods), but the more I say the more enemies I make. My last thing to say is that if I don't die by lynch then I recommend cops to use their abilities on me because I am likely to be mafia killed. At least when my card is turned over the cops can start to see what type of cops they are.
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Hang on a second. I just looked back and randombum wasn't the one to start the whole random lynch idea. MidnightGladius started by saying "set random number generator 1-30" or something like that. Then randombum responds with "very well," after voting Neax. MidnightGladius' following comment, "sounds good to me" leads me to believe he could be mafia. I'm gonna go ahead and vote for him.
##Vote MidnightGladius
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i'm supposed to be working at the moment...  this game is intrusive.
from what random bum has been saying, I feel less inclined to vote for him. he's starting to give good reasons for things. and I'm afraid I've started an avalanche, so I feel guilty.
so,
##Unvote randombum
that doesn't mean I am completely trusting you, but now, I guess, it's more in the hands of a democratic town decision as to whether you're scum. to carry on with my previous reasoning, I expect you to all have moved away from neax given that the two reasons you had before were
1. he wasn't speaking.
2. there was no other information.
and neither are valid now. so I still suspect you who are voting for him. I don't want to cause biased decisions, so I'll vote later, (and now I need to do some work).
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sorry, incorrect format:
##Unvote randombum
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Firstly, sorry about the vote count mix up. I was changing systems, and some must have been lost in the change over. Hope this new one checks out.
I'm glad the PMs I sent out seemed to work. Still waiting from some content from:
Scooter
chicken`
6 hours to go (assuming an extension is not called for). The day will end at 1100 hours KST. The top right hand corner of TL.net has the time. Check how your time compares that of say...  Flash.
Neax: (4): jtan, Jimtudor, Fishball, JeeJee, MidnightGladius, randombum, Caller, Ace
Kingkosi: (1): Empyrean
Folca: (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler: (0): NatsuTerran
ulszz: (1): ulszz
randombum: (7): so no fek, kingkosi, jtan, betaben, Dr. Dragoon, ZBiR, GeneralStan, Neax, Jimtudor, Fishball, infinity21
JimTudor: (1): araav
betaben: (0): Artanis[xp], so no fek
GeneralStan: (1): bp1696
MidnightGladius: (1): GeneralStan, NatsuTerran
Klive5ive: (1): MasterofChaos
Fishball: (1): Kingkosi
Sadir: (1): Artanis[Xp]
Dr.Dragoon: (1): Unforgiven_ve
Scooter: (2): JeeJee, so no fek
Have added 24 hour time, and underlining to avoid confusion.
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Not one to nit-pick... but you messed this count up too... It says randombum (7), but that doesn't count the votes that have changed.
I'm going to ##unvote NeaX and ##Vote Scooter for his inactivity.
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##Unvote Neax
##vote Scooter
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As far I can see, there are 7 people that are currently voting for you randombum.
While so no fek, kingkosi, jtan, betaben have withdrawn their votes. The following are still voting for you:
Dr. Dragoon
ZBiR
GeneralStan
Neax
Jimtudor
Fishball
infinity21
Thats why it says (7)
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To save a speachful towny from a lynch, I will do the same.
##Unvote Sadir
##Vote Scooter
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Rofl nm Alethios, I Didn't see the second line.
Of those, Zbir, Jimtudor, fishball, nor infinity21 have explained their reason why, I'm rather curios to find out.
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On February 28 2008 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
To save a speachful towny from a lynch, I will do the same.
##Unvote Sadir
##Vote Scooter
ty
I just want to know: is there anybody (except the mafia, but we don't know who they are) who didn't just close his eyes and pointed with his finger at a name on his screen and voted for this person?
so I just randomly take someone:
##Vote Neax
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just to see what happens as it's our only chance
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##Unvote Randombum
##Vote Scooter
Randombum explained his reasoning to us, I'm still a bit in doubt what his intentions are, but at least he's actively posting. I'm gonna reserve judgement on him and take the safe route of voting for an inactive towny. Even if he is a towny, it's much better to have a dead inactive towny than a dead active one.
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Just to clear things up, yes, I am reading this thread.
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
On February 28 2008 06:20 randombum wrote:Sadir, the way most people did it was going to http://www.random.org/
yeah I know
just wanted to know if anybody didn't
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infinity21
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On February 28 2008 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 03:02 infinity21 wrote:
Oh man I missed the thread completely. It's already out of the blogs in the front page, no?
Do we have to post every day? Because I can't guarantee to visit TL every day due to school. Ill harass you over msn to post often, how does that work?
I guess that works. I won't be able to spend too too much time on it because I have multiple midterms every week.
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So I'm a bit confused on how this tells us anything. If the person randomly lynched is zerg, all well and good, but the odds are against that.
If the person randomly lynched is terran marine, no info gained, loss of one townie. If person lynched is a role-person, then it seems we lost one power without gaining anything.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just wait until the mafia kill someone and start talking after that?
In light of this logic,
##Unvote GeneralStan
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Ok, I'll also go after the inactive guy. ##vote scooter
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On February 28 2008 07:09 bp1696 wrote:
So I'm a bit confused on how this tells us anything. If the person randomly lynched is zerg, all well and good, but the odds are against that.
If the person randomly lynched is terran marine, no info gained, loss of one townie. If person lynched is a role-person, then it seems we lost one power without gaining anything.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just wait until the mafia kill someone and start talking after that?
In light of this logic,
##Unvote GeneralStan
I think we are required to lynch somebody to start the game off.
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But I do appreciate the unvote. You're still the only one about whom I have any suspicion, randombum. You've started two separate random bandwagons, and while I don't think your little bandwagoners are scum (I don't even particularly think you're scum) it's better to vote for somebody that I have a bit of suspicion for. Inactive is maybe better, but if our inactive turns out to be townie, I don't think I can get over the suspcion of you, since your little bandwagon led to an innocent death.
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No call for an extension? Now would be the time to ask. 2.5 hours to go until the first day deadline at 1100 hours KST.
Vote count
Neax: (3): jtan, Jimtudor, Fishball, JeeJee, randombum, Ace, MidnightGladius, Caller, Sadir
Kingkosi: (1): Empyrean
Folca: (1): BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler: (0): NatsuTerran
ulszz: (1): ulszz
randombum: (6): so no fek, kingkosi, jtan, betaben, Neax, Dr. Dragoon, ZBiR, GeneralStan, Jimtudor, Fishball, infinity21
JimTudor: (1): araav
betaben: (0): Artanis[xp], so no fek
GeneralStan: (0): bp1696
MidnightGladius: (1): GeneralStan, NatsuTerran
Klive5ive: (1): MasterofChaos
Fishball: (1): Kingkosi
Sadir: (0): Artanis[Xp]
Dr.Dragoon: (1): Unforgiven_ve
Scooter: (7): JeeJee, so no fek, randombum, Ace, Artanis[Xp], jtan, Neax
Rolling inactivity list
Scooter
chicken`
First day is a bit slow, since nodody really has much to go on. With the smaller number of players however, things will pick up soon.
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Ridiculous =_= i dont understand why you would vote randomly, thats just stupid
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##Unvote NeaX
##Vote Scooter
I think that activity should be a good gauge for this early stage. When no one had posted at all, random numbers was the only somewhat fair way to go
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Caller is still voting for neax, and has said nothing since so:
##Vote Caller
but I still don't get voting for someone who hasn't spoken. you have two reasons:
1. they don't contribute:
doesn't work because they will be removed anyway (waste of a vote)
2. they might be mafia, you can't tell because they haven't contributed:
well, if they are just someone that is not interested, chances are they're not; unless he is mafia in which case his balls are massive. but he probably isn't.
I don't get it.
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On February 28 2008 09:21 betaben wrote:
Caller is still voting for neax, and has said nothing since so:
##Vote Caller
but I still don't get voting for someone who hasn't spoken. you have two reasons:
1. they don't contribute:
doesn't work because they will be removed anyway (waste of a vote)
2. they might be mafia, you can't tell because they haven't contributed:
well, if they are just someone that is not interested, chances are they're not; unless he is mafia in which case his balls are massive. but he probably isn't.
I don't get it.
Actually i think lynching someone who is going to get removed/modkilled anyway is the best we can hope for, since it's far too likely we'll catch a townie with the first lynch. Might as well make the first lynch useless, and wait for mafia to act, giving us something to work with
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On February 28 2008 08:08 GeneralStan wrote:
But I do appreciate the unvote. You're still the only one about whom I have any suspicion, randombum. You've started two separate random bandwagons, and while I don't think your little bandwagoners are scum (I don't even particularly think you're scum) it's better to vote for somebody that I have a bit of suspicion for. Inactive is maybe better, but if our inactive turns out to be townie, I don't think I can get over the suspcion of you, since your little bandwagon led to an innocent death.
I'm sorry, I'm think you are misinformed on your facts. First off the fact that a townie gets lynched on the first day is rather horrible way to base who are mafia. Because at best, there is only a 23% chance to get mafia.
I also did not suggest random numbers NOR inactive townies. I saw these as the best ways to fairly get rid of somebody on the first day and acted on it. I definitely did not start the bandwagon on scooter.
If randomly choosing NeaX is mafia like then you might as well have suspicison of ulszz, natsuterran, bloodycobbler, emp, dr.dragoon, or araav, They ALL chose a target at random too.
Like I have said, thinking somebody is mafia because a townie got lynched on the first is rather foolish. It is rather unlikely for it to be mafia getting lynched. If giving suggestions for who to lynch on the first day makes me suspicious to u generalstan, then I feel you will be voting for the wrong dude the whole game. Why? Those with ideas you vote for while those whom they choose will go free. But it is unlikely for mafia to be out there and choose targets, so you will more often than not vote for mafia.
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There seems to be a slight misunderstanding here. Those who haven't said anything before the end of the day (30 minutes) will receive a PM asking them to join us. At the same time, a PM will be sent to their replacement. Whoever replies first will receive the role.
Under this system, roles whose players are inactive are not removed. The players playing the role is replaced, but the role remains.
Thus, it is not a "waste" of a lynch to lynch an inactive player, for the role will likely live on.
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Basically, with the way it is now, we're either lynching the inactive guy, or his would be replacement.
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Alethios can we get a current votecount?
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Nm, there's one on page 8 and the ones since are easy to do by hand.
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Deadline has been reached! Don't post after this post. When day breaks, there will be a new blog entry.
Scooter, Terran Marine (Vanilla Townie), was lynched! Send in night actions via PM as soon as possible.
Neax: (2): [/b]jtan, Jimtudor, Fishball, JeeJee, randombum, Ace, MidnightGladius , Caller, Sadir
Kingkosi: (1): Empyrean
Folca: (1): BloodyC0bbler
ulszz: (1): ulszz
randombum: (6): so no fek, kingkosi, jtan, betaben, Neax, Dr. Dragoon, ZBiR, GeneralStan, Neax, Jimtudor, Fishball, infinity21
JimTudor: (1): araav
MidnightGladius: (1): GeneralStan, NatsuTerran
Klive5ive: (1): MasterofChaos
Fishball: (1): Kingkosi
Dr.Dragoon: (1): Unforgiven_ve
Scooter: (8): JeeJee, so no fek, randombum, Ace, Artanis[Xp], jtan, Neax, MidnightGladius
Caller: (1): betaben
Sadir: (0): Artanis[Xp]
betaben: (0): Artanis[xp], so no fek
GeneralStan: (0): bp1696
BloodyC0bbler: (0): NatsuTerran[b]
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EDIT: Tracil beat me to it. Send your night actions asap please :D
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The interior of the ship was cramped, especially given that the majority of the inhabitants were wearing large suits of bulky armour. Few recognized each other; most had drifted in from different units and had never spoken before.
"Zerg Lifeforms Detected. Unable to confirm details."
The adjutants voice sparked a grim discussion amongst the survivors- with no small amount of panic. "We've got to seal the hatches!" cried NatsuTerran. "Or more will get in!" Nodding at once, JeeJee and Kingkosi ran to the large, circular doors that served as an entrance to ship, and with much effort were able to roll them back into place. The ship was like a sealed tomb- nobody was getting in or out. The cries of battle outside slowly drifted away...
"Adjutant, how many lifeforms present upon this vessel?" queried Ace.
"Thirty inhabitants noted. All are present within the outer chamber."
But looking around, nobody saw anything resembling the zerg. "But that's..."-
"SKINCHANGERS!" blurted out randombum. "They've gotta be among us! Zerg's hiding in human flesh!"
This set everyone into a panic. "Who're you? What's your rank and unit number?" was the most common call of the day, until.
*Bang!*
Someone fired a shot. Nobody was sure who, but it was at someone who had yet to say a word. "He wasn't speaking," shuddered betaben. "Maybe... because he couldn't?"
Gingergly, someone hit the unsealing switch on the marine's armour... but there were no traces of infestation. Just a human body. With a bullet through the brain.
And then the lights went out...
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So.. we wait. Hard without any clues to get conversation started lol.
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Night actions have been sent in.
Night actions have been confirmed.
Night results have been sent out.
Starting day 2 (as a new blog post) as soon as Tracil comes back online. Sorry about the wait.
EDIT: Tracil is "having gay net troubles". Trying to get day 2 up now.
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Ugh, just as I'm going to sleep?
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Seems like Tracil won't be getting out day 2 any time soon...
So i'm going to announce day 2 here, and once Tracil sorts his shit out... we can transfer to a new day. Sorry everybody!
The Nights events:
Empyrean is killed and is revealed to be a Terran Marine.
MidnightGladius is killed and is revealed to be a Terran Marine.
Some other shit happens (perhaps) that i'm not allowed to talk about, let alone acknowledge the existance of.
Day Two has begun. Discuss.
P.S. This will look much better once Tracil gets day 2 up properly. You will be linked to the post when it happens.
EDIT: Due to the nature of this day, the countdown until day 3 will not start until day two is posted properly.
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Empyrean is killed and is revealed to be a Terran Marine.
MidnightGladius is killed and is revealed to be a Terran Marine.
You guys haven't learned anything from the other thread?
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On February 29 2008 12:49 Empyrean wrote:
Ugh, just as I'm going to sleep?
Yep
Rest in peace
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Ok, I quickly looked through the 9 pages, and have only gathered a few things. Granted it was just a quick run through, but it looked like Empyrean was against random voting. And I couldn't find the mafia kill power, but I think I remember reading that it was 1 a night, and as two people died, we either have a psychopath, or vigilante (wrongfully) killed someone.
Though I don't think vigilante can act on the first night, and it really would have been pointless to, with what we knew, so I'm thinking psychopath.
The next day should be interesting.
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A vigilante may act upon the first night.
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On February 29 2008 13:23 So no fek wrote:
Ok, I quickly looked through the 9 pages, and have only gathered a few things. Granted it was just a quick run through, but it looked like Empyrean was against random voting. And I couldn't find the mafia kill power, but I think I remember reading that it was 1 a night, and as two people died, we either have a psychopath, or vigilante (wrongfully) killed someone.
Though I don't think vigilante can act on the first night, and it really would have been pointless to, with what we knew, so I'm thinking psychopath.
The next day should be interesting.
shit, MidnightGladius was the one popped the idea of randoming (he was sarcastic, as he said)...
would mafia kill him? may be
would psycho kill him? well, may be
would vigilante kill him? yes. and he should be stupid to kill the first night, so congrats us, we have a psycho vigilante
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On February 29 2008 14:31 Alethios wrote:
A vigilante may act upon the first night.
Ah, wasn't sure. It wasn't allowed in the first game.
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On February 29 2008 16:52 So no fek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2008 14:31 Alethios wrote:
A vigilante may act upon the first night. Ah, wasn't sure. It wasn't allowed in the first game.
I can understand why you did that... but you shouldn't assume that anything from chuiu's game is the same in this one. If you can't find an answer to your question in the OP, or in one of our clarifications... ask!
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Well, it wasn't so much that I was basing my ideas on something I was unsure of. I was just doing a quick look through the topic, and the possible outcomes. Even though the vigilantes can kill the first night, I believe that it would only hurt the town if one did. We don't have enough information to be sure anyone is scum at this point. So, I'm really hoping that the second kill was a psychopath, and not a townie, otherwise it looks grim. =/
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fuck fuck fuck fuk i fail at life
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
u just messed up the game
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sadir and I can shut up and leave the game I guess, and anyone else seeing it too
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Fuck i am so sorry... i'm tired and stressed and my girlfriend just told me she doesn't love me. Not that it's any excuse... So so so sorry. I feel terrible.
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##vote Alethios
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
##vote Alethios
am y and you can replace me plz
doesn't make any sense for me any more
nvm alethios, it's ok
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##Vote: Alethios
Current vote count
Alethios: (3): jtan, sadir, alethios
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lol
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when it rains... it pours.
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I feel bad for you too, tracil will be so pissed
If everyone who saw it leaves, game might go on.
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nothing happened, to all intents and purposes... sadir and jtan have kindly agreed to leave the game. Due to my own stupidity, i posted a full account of everybody's roles just recently, and they saw it.
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Fuck I was really enjoying this
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it's not like too much happened yet, just 2 stupid kills, really
and tracil was FOR restarting the game in the first mafia
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My last action as mod, will be to take a vote on this matter.
Let me know how you want to proceed.
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##vote quit
From selfish reasons, and also since the other mafia game probably will be restarting soon we could focus on 1 game and get more activity there.
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##vote jtan
let's restart this... and add mayor/pardoner. it's really fun to have a mayor
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Restart: (1) araav
Boot: (1) jtan
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##vote restart
Nothing really happened yet, can restart it quickly with the same people
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Wait what a list of roles was posted? I cannot continue the game under those circumstances. No offence to anyone but it just can't be done in good faith.
Blaaaaaaaargh.
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OK game is over. I usually like to give feedback at the end of games but this one was... really short...
Well, there was one thing. Hey, town! Don't random vote like that! Have reasons, even stupid ones, because from stupid reasons can come better reasons. And that's it.
I'm kinda bummed out but I'll think about starting again tomorrow. Post again in this thread if you want to play. Setup will be different, roles will be drawn from the same list, and I'll probably ditch the SC theme and just run it as straight mafia.
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I'll go again, I need the practice anyways so I don't really care.
It was only day one anyways.
and...
A chance to get a "decent" role. *cough*
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I'm in again. Yeah, I also hope to draw a more interesting role.
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Well, that worked out rather well for me
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Germany2896 Posts
I prefer this ruleset without mayor, one kill/night etc to the ruleset used in the other thread. I don't care if mafiatheme or sctheme(I usually call the roles by their functional name not their sc name)
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too bad my mafia life lasted so short...
Tracil, sign me up for the next round please...
and make the game more fast paced please
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ok please post the list. I want to see what the NatsuTerran was :D
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Sign me up for another one
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1- Kingkosi
2- Sadir
3- MasterOfChaos (Scum Role Cop)
4- So no fek
5- MidnightGladius
6- Ace (Doc)
7- jtan (Serial Killer)
8- araav (Scum Backup)
9- Fishball (Bullet Proof Townie)
10-BloodyC0bbler (Vanilla Scum)
11-NeaX (Town Role Blocker)
12-Artanis[Xp]
13-Jimtudor
14-betaben (Vanilla Scum)
15-NatsuTerran (Sane Cop)
16-bp1696
17-ZBir
18-Unforgiven_ve (Scum Role Blocker)
19-Folca
20-Caller
21-ulszz (Insane Cop)
22-GeneralStan
23-Klive5ive
24-Randombum (Vigilante)
25-JeeJee (Godfather)
26-Infinity21
27-Empyrean
28-Scooter
29-Dr.Dragoon
30-chicken`
Here is ze list.
As far as people hanging out for power roles goes... don't. Power roles, by design, must be kept fairly minimal. As you can see, about half the game was vanilla town, and 1/5th of it was scum. Quite a few people PM'd me asking 'can I have a cooler role' and the answer will invariably be 'no'.
The more roles I include, the harder the game is to balance, and the *less* strategy is actually involved (because the actual way in which the game should be played becomes quite linear). It's also even less fun for the people stuck without a role, who basically become sideshows to the 'real' game.
In short: Think of them as a bonus, and nothing more. The meat of the game is vanilla!
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I'll play again.
Oh and as an interesting tidbit: I protected NatsuTerran the first night.
Guess it was a lucky guess
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I'll play again. That was a weird game.
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All of a sunden I felt special again.
"Bullet Proof Townie" sounds way cooler , especially when I know there is only one now.
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lol.
anyway, I don't want in next time, sorry; continually trying to argue logically for things you know to be wrong spills over into real life and I found myself trying to convince other people of falsities for no reason.
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mafia is better than this sc
I am in again
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Just to confirm that I'm in, too.
And yeah, betaben, I've had that problem before, too :D
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We did have a serial killer!
I miss the mayorial election though. Fakesteve stealing the election in the other game and the drama it added was very fun.
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sign me back up please, and how dare you guys ruin my reign of terror so soon =(
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haha, its kinda amusing that the top of my personal hit list was random, jtan, and dragoon, and two of those people woulda had roles.
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Haha, I actually randomed scum. Anyway, it'd be nice to have less roles next game to keep it a bit more clear. I believe that like 5 roles is more then enough.
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I agree with Artanis. I like the serial killer role though.
I'm in for the next game!
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I'm in again. Valk is my fav role^^ (Yes I know the chances are low to become one)
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oh, and btw some thoughts:
I think you shouldn't have killed the non speaker - you have no information on him, he would have been replaced by some one giving more information. mafia are going to talk - if someone doesn't speak, he's likely not to be mafia.. and I think you were, from the start, shying away from using any information you may have had. If you're waiting for for more information, the mafia will purposefully not give you any and kill someone uncontroversial.
and I think you should speculate everything loudly and martyr yourselves - you need to everyone to give up information, and have reactions, provoke them. if you all speculate very much, the mafia will not be able to kill all of you off straight away.
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yeah, since people who do not participate will be replaced, it's not worth to lynch them.
Also, them fact that they don't talk probably means they are not interested. And how do they lose interest? I'd say because of uninteresting role, i.e. plain townie. Really, there are better ways to go in this game.
Oh and why am I so lucky to get townie 2 times in a row :|
I'm in again.
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Well... that sucks, I had a cool role
I'm in the next game if tracil wants to rm.
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16952 Posts
I'm in please.
I was Terran Marine. :D
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Tracil I would like to help you this upcoming game if possible.
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Oh, and for my cop role I asked what Neax was. Came back scum, obviously with me being insane, I was ready to lynch him xD!
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I roleblocked our vigilante :D
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Well, I can reply to 'people get bored because they're vanilla with the following'.
If you play in this game, you'll probably be vanilla town! If you don't like that, what're you doing here?
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I would like to help Moderate the next game, or just play in it if you don't need more help :p
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aww shucks
me and c0bbler were like 100% correct with our suspicions (except we thought there'd be 2 more townies with roles - a rolecop and a tracker ), and were probably gonna kill jtan and scout ace 2nd night
oh well sign me up for next one
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Sydney2287 Posts
I'd like to join if that's k
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I want to play again just restart this bad boy
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I only really need one comod, so I'll assume Caller is it. But thanks for offering! (As an aside, my msn is apwind2@hotmail.com, drop me a line about modding).
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oh and one more thing
this post is edited! har
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I'm in for the next game too.
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still want to be in for next game again, as noted like 3 pages ago...
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So, any rough estimates on when this will restart?
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On March 01 2008 08:49 Tracil wrote:
Well, I can reply to 'people get bored because they're vanilla with the following'.
If you play in this game, you'll probably be vanilla town! If you don't like that, what're you doing here?
I was just saying that a inactive is more likely than not to be vanilla, not that I get bored when I'm one
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Consider it a warning, then. >_>
It'll start... I dunno, within a week.
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On March 01 2008 09:20 JeeJee wrote:aww shucks me and c0bbler were like 100% correct with our suspicions (except we thought there'd be 2 more townies with roles - a rolecop and a tracker ), and were probably gonna kill jtan and scout ace 2nd night oh well sign me up for next one
damn how come?
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@ace i don't remember actually. i have irc logs somewhere but i'm too lazy to look
so i checked this thread again in hopes of something happening, but.. T_T? i preferred this smaller game (however short it lasted) and altho i will probably sign up for chuiu's next one, i'd much prefer to play in a ~30player one again with the same setup (1mafia kill, potential third parties, no clues, etc. i'd also make it so 3rd parties dont kill on 1st and maybe 2nd night. vig's would have no reason to kill anyone at all early on so 2 kills on first night makes it likely that a 3rd party exists)
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so uh.... any news on the new one? I'd like to play the ~30 person version rather than signing up for the gigantic one.
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wow I just stumbled upon this after randomly looking through threads, and it really seems interesting. It's too bad that it had to be stopped after such a short amount of time. If there's any space left in it, I would like to sign up for it, and if not, perhaps on a waiting list for the next one? Hopefully it can get up and running again.
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Back when I was so shocked my Starcraft friend smoked Marijuana at 15 years old. I was AN ADULT and had to be a FATHER FIGURE FOR HIM TO SAVE HIS SOUL!
And what even was the internet?
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