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Unfortunately, the latter is an extremely likely possibility >< It's just challenging practically, I don't have another way with which to approach things. | ||
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 But as it is, all I can do is apologize for being bad. Ah well. | ||
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Mocsta
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On June 15 2024 15:16 Trfel wrote: I'm preparing my mind to become confirmation biased when I start my rereadSure, I think he's mafia. You? Lol That aside His approach to eod3 lynch was questionable And certainly one of the lurkers that coincidentally timed activity with a vote swap I look at this game and what's the summary? There's been arguing every single cycle There's been ignoring every single cycle Mafia can kick that off. But can't be the source for that to continue snowball This combination of town is doing that this game Associatively it's relevant because scum have no reason to stick the head out when everyone is in fighting In that regard it's highly likely those consistently present can only be town, which also ties in with vivax This game is either a fuckn one in million dual bus via Rayn/koshi and everyone remembers it 10years later... Or It's the more likely case that scum never had thread control and are outliers. I.e. Scott Slam Dmb | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:22 Trfel wrote: he didn't help himself with all the politicsAlso it's kinda funny, if you lynch someone you have a whisperer chat with, you can keep using it, but they can't say anything back. This would be useful if I were mafia, I could taunt Vivax and rub it in his face and he couldn't do anything about it But as it is, all I can do is apologize for being bad. Ah well. Maybe I'm bad town for saying this If he did his list post of 6 points before he was going back and forth with you. It would be ok The problem is. The way he went about trying to save dmb always had too much drama in to be sure if town motivated.. could just be IRL which feels mafia as it's not town either | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:25 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, I had been more inclined to switch to scott31337 then Vivax. But Vivax posted and scott31337 didn't, unfortunately Vivax's posts made me want to lynch him more.he didn't help himself with all the politics Maybe I'm bad town for saying this If he did his list post of 6 points before he was going back and forth with you. It would be ok The problem is. The way he went about trying to save dmb always had too much drama in to be sure if town motivated.. could just be IRL which feels mafia as it's not town either I want to at least respect Vivax's reads, particularly die_meatbaby being mafia. But die_meatbaby being mafia doesn't make perfect sense to me? Like it's far from unreasonable, but it doesn't make me feel like the game is coming together, you know? Like one of those puzzle pieces that kinda fits but you're kinda forcing it and you're just not sure it's the right one. I've been in die_meatbaby's filter for over an hour now and I haven't made any progress towards figuring it out. | ||
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Slams reads have evolved. Scott and dmb have been static all cycles Alpha has sorta been static too but certainly has adjusted weighting as game has gone too which is a big differrence | ||
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I tried but you guys have this urge to be bad that you need to scratch. Now the roleblocker stays alive and I am dead. I applaud her partner. He must have done a good job yesterday. Maybe tomorrow you will lynch dmb or slam. | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:31 Trfel wrote: so if you dive one player and can't readYeah, I had been more inclined to switch to scott31337 then Vivax. But Vivax posted and scott31337 didn't, unfortunately Vivax's posts made me want to lynch him more. I want to at least respect Vivax's reads, particularly die_meatbaby being mafia. But die_meatbaby being mafia doesn't make perfect sense to me? Like it's far from unreasonable, but it doesn't make me feel like the game is coming together, you know? Like one of those puzzle pieces that kinda fits but you're kinda forcing it and you're just not sure it's the right one. I've been in die_meatbaby's filter for over an hour now and I haven't made any progress towards figuring it out. Is that more likely town or Mafia? I would say as a heuristic If actively engaged, it's more.often town Does dmb read as actively engaged? | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:34 Trfel wrote: Well feeds into her being unlynchable so farNot only are you sure die_meatbaby was mafia but you also know she's the roleblocker? That's next level. | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:33 Mocsta wrote: Honestly, this is a weird situation for me. Usually when I spend a lot of time in someone's filter, I get a decent idea. Maybe it's wrong but I at least have a theory, you know? so if you dive one player and can't read Is that more likely town or Mafia? I would say as a heuristic If actively engaged, it's more.often town Does dmb read as actively engaged? On June 15 2024 15:36 Mocsta wrote: Maybe I differ from others but I don't value mafia roles very highly. IMO you play to keep the player in a better position alive every single time, regardless of who has which role. If they happen to have a good role, that's just a bonus.Well feeds into her being unlynchable so far Side note, I can't help but noticing that this setup includes potential for a mafia vigilante. I've never seen it actually happen but theoretically, mafia could be saving a vigilante shot, and then if we mislynch tomorrow, use it to close out the game without actually going to LYLO. That'd be brutal. | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:39 Trfel wrote: I had considered oats was a big shot....Honestly, this is a weird situation for me. Usually when I spend a lot of time in someone's filter, I get a decent idea. Maybe it's wrong but I at least have a theory, you know? Maybe I differ from others but I don't value mafia roles very highly. IMO you play to keep the player in a better position alive every single time, regardless of who has which role. If they happen to have a good role, that's just a bonus.Side note, I can't help but noticing that this setup includes potential for a mafia vigilante. I've never seen it actually happen but theoretically, mafia could be saving a vigilante shot, and then if we mislynch tomorrow, use it to close out the game without actually going to LYLO. That'd be brutal. So slightly different order to what you said | ||
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I really really wouldn't expect Oatsmaster to have been shot by a town vigilante. There's extremely little reason to shoot Oatsmaster there, and typically, the town vigilante claims after shooting. It just feels incredibly unlikely, not worth considering, and even if somehow this is what happened, the vigilante will eventually let us know. If it's a mafia vigilante, how would we know? What happened to the night kill? Also, why would the mafia vigilante shoot Night 2, of all nights? Like if we end up having a way to have blocked a night kill, maybe it's worth considering. But idk. I've never actually seen a mafia vigilante hold their shot, I guess the thinking is that it's too risky because if something happens and you get lynched it'd be bad? I just think it'd be absolutely devastating to town to save the shot and use it to avoid LYLO if you are in the position to do so. Also a mafia vigilante in a 13 player game would be a weird choice. So I'm probably just being paranoid. But it's right there in the setup... Makes me want to just get two mafia lynches and avoid LYLO tbh. If there was no mafia vigilante possible, I'd be happy to mislynch of course  | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote: this Scott town case on one post still holds though1) In the nested quote you see him playfully attacking Tfrel. Which is difficult to do as mafia. It has a good balance between get off me, + applying pressure to Tfrel to gauge a reaction. 2) Seeing the scumslip here is more likely to come from town reading and interpreting things to a maximum. As mafia things like this are way harder to do on the fly, if one is really good at playing mafia maybe it is possible, but the last part "I know I am town" is an unnecessarily lie at the end to make as mafia. I can't even explain properly why he added it at the end, but I think he tries to be witty with the truth but butchers the joke a bit. 3) He overestimates his own contributions to the thread but again, I can see a townie scott believing he is driving the town into victory more than a mafia scott bluffing. (I will quote some more but this analysis should be teached at schools.) | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:51 Trfel wrote: mafia vig..that was what were talking aboutMafia vigilante you mean? Or town vigilante? I really really wouldn't expect Oatsmaster to have been shot by a town vigilante. There's extremely little reason to shoot Oatsmaster there, and typically, the town vigilante claims after shooting. It just feels incredibly unlikely, not worth considering, and even if somehow this is what happened, the vigilante will eventually let us know. If it's a mafia vigilante, how would we know? What happened to the night kill? Also, why would the mafia vigilante shoot Night 2, of all nights? Like if we end up having a way to have blocked a night kill, maybe it's worth considering. But idk. I've never actually seen a mafia vigilante hold their shot, I guess the thinking is that it's too risky because if something happens and you get lynched it'd be bad? I just think it'd be absolutely devastating to town to save the shot and use it to avoid LYLO if you are in the position to do so. Also a mafia vigilante in a 13 player game would be a weird choice. So I'm probably just being paranoid. But it's right there in the setup... Makes me want to just get two mafia lynches and avoid LYLO tbh. If there was no mafia vigilante possible, I'd be happy to mislynch of course | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:55 Mocsta wrote: What?this Scott town case on one post still holds though I don't really agree. Why would scott31337 as town, think that he caught me in a scumslip and then not vote for me until later but do so purely for that reason? Also, I think the supposed scumslip is garbage and I wonder if it's possible for anyone as town to think that was a scumslip, but it's very difficult to be conclusive with that argument. | ||
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Trfel
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Honestly I don't think mafia vigilante should be possible in mini games, but oh well. | ||
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