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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 07 2024 22:58 Mocsta wrote: Somewhat shocked of all things sandroba could post on. It's that Am I missing relevance? It's not like that is his final post? You should learn from Sandro. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote: Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... I gave you an answer. Your whole approach has been nitpick-y which is why I found it funny that you called me out on it. (And I don’t even agree that my post was nitpicking, I raised a valid point) Unless you think we should just argue back and forth about weather did or did not nitpick.? In a most nitpicky fashion? | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
Careful, that could be considered a mild nitpick Marv. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 07 2024 23:13 AlphaZero wrote: I gave you an answer. Your whole approach has been nitpick-y which is why I found it funny that you called me out on it. (And I don’t even agree that my post was nitpicking, I raised a valid point) Unless you think we should just argue back and forth about whether you did or did not nitpick.? In a most nitpicky fashion? Edit: typos | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 07 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote: no I don't want to argue back and forth And would assume.its making overall town environment worse than better given no one has endorsed Frankly I'm still cautious of you as I assume you are of me I just accept for now this is at an impasse Could it be possible.both of us are defiant in what we believe are valid points. Maybe. I'm not closed to this. Although I don't find that to be a town v town tell either. Hence why I'm ok to leave this alone for time being Is there anyone you are interested in my thoughts on (other than trfel or kelsier)? Yes. Scott. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 07 2024 23:41 Vivax wrote: I don‘t like how AZ went redflag mode on Scott only to conveniently forget about it and start gunning at Mocsta. If you‘re going to look that convinced on someone why switch priorities so easily ? Did I forget about it though? | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 07 2024 23:51 Vivax wrote: I tend to keep some room for doubt in my own interpretation while you seemed very convinced. Doesn‘t look like you are based on the followup. Since I‘ll be working overnight, I‘ll give the game a read and place my vote. It’s obvious that I’m thinking about Scott if I’m trying to get no stats position on him as soon as he provides that opportunity. Come on vivax, keep up. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 00:12 Vivax wrote: Of course scott could also be blue so he‘d be more cautious in the fights he picks and come across as evasive. I‘d be ok with him or Kelsier as of now. Willing to see what marv, rayn sandro cook up. 1.) Sandro has already cooked. 2.) what’s scummy about Kelsier? | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him. And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia… I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me. I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy. Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured, Won’t lynch Marv today. Rso has felt town by vibe. Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null. Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means. Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null. Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me. Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote: okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it? Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 06:57 rsoultin wrote: i think i didn't hate his reads was what it was cause we're mostly on similar pages, and he seems to not be too fazed by the early pressure from folks. that said it's not a strong townlean Interesting. To me that list said was thoroughly underwhelming and said basically nothing except he wants to lynch Kelsier. I will have a think about it. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 07:11 rsoultin wrote: i'm not really sure how to explain it better, tbh. i just don't feel lynching people you don't agree with or don't have the same reads as you is a great way to find scum generally, and i'm struggling to find the mafia motivation for being frustrated, seemingly, that someone you struggle to read others are townreading so easily with little to no explanation when you're trying to figure out their alignment. i know that's assuming town motivation, but what's the scum one i guess is the point? The scum motivation is that it’s frustrating for townies to clear townies for “bad” reasons. I take your point however I do think there is value in determining if you can empathise (not agree) with someone’s thought processes cause that makes it more likely to be genuine. Remember mafia aren’t really thinking like town, so they are going to have times that their reads are just too ‘wrong’ to be town. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote: I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point.Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 07:37 rsoultin wrote: i see your point. i don't fully agree on scott in particular in no small part because i can empathize with struggling to read someone as town but you could be right and i'm just wrong so there's that lol >< And the reverse is also possible | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote: Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator. People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
Do you really not get it? | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
He is saying that you made a read you should not make as town. At least that’s my interpretation. It’s a very Rayn thing to think. | ||
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