EPTOn December 22 2023 09:21 Palmar wrote:
rayn if you aren't mafia, is slam?
What's your pov?
rayn if you aren't mafia, is slam?
What's your pov?
Of course he is mafia.
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- Him masoning Palmar. I didn't really think about this further early on, and i know i said it points towards him being town. However IF Slam is town, i don't understand why he chose to mason Palmar, instead of either Chezinu/marv/rayn. I can now see why he didn't mason Chezinu, the reasoning is obvious. - Slam really likes to talk with Chezinu, he is one of the people who can actually read Chezinu the best. - Another good thing to do as town is to mason either marv (or even me). Regardless of marv's alignment (which noone as town cannot know at the start of D1), if you can show your towniness in mason chat with him, he will read you as town. Also marv is quite good in reading Slam. - I have been talking quite a lot with Slam outside the game, he knows how i think about the game as we have had many discussions about mafia when being irl in the same place. - We even talked about that in the game: On December 13 2023 03:35 Alakaslam wrote: God damn rayn reads me like a book It would in fact be Chezinu. I would try to plead for mercy or just talk about Jesus to essentially waste it. And to try to lessen mafia guilt  Idk if this is a pretty forced townread on Chezinu or what? After this Chezinu posts nothing and Slam starts a wagon on him D2. - The D2 wagon, or not really the wagon. When Chezinu started posting, Slam started getting cold feet. Why? Is there something in Chezinu's posting that should make him do that? I think it's because it's easy to vote for your inactive scumbuddy just to let go of the vote after the person actually starts posting. Unfortunately for Slam, that happened too late. Votes had switched already, but he still panicked. Just look at his posting late D2. | ||
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Now I don’t believe it to be true, but that’s irrelevant, if he does, then masoning me is 100% a town move. He wrote that before getting his alignment. | ||
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On November 23 2023 05:34 Alakaslam wrote: /replace /in if needed to fill roster This is out of fear of Palmar. He is, believe it or not, not only capable of reading me (mostly) accurately, but can make me the Supreme fool, putty in his hands. If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move? | ||
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My mindset going to N3 was the following. I thought marv, DMB and slam are town. I thought sandroba and Palmar have very little reason to be mafia together. At some point i also realised Palmar is mot likely town (enforced by the fact marv was NK'd during the night 3). That didn't leave me much for error (based on what i thought). On December 22 2023 11:45 sandroba wrote: Rayn Chez vote he claimed he thought I was mafia at that point, that's why he didn't push Chez. That is not what town rayn would do of he thought I was mafia, he wouldn't switch to Chez who he said was a crapshoot. That's not what i said. I also never switched votes from anyone during the day. I explicitly said i voted for Chezinu because i thought both of you are mafia but noone was seemingly willing to vote for him, and after the resistance especially against my vote continued (namely from Koshi and HF -- who i both thought have a reasonable chance of flipping mafia as well), i decided it's a good vote. Normally that would be an okay reasoning, however you have to understand it was a mylo situation. In my opinion in mylo situation it is all hands on deck, and if we still had a mislynch, i would not have defended DMB like i did. I genuinely just thought she is town, if you don't agree with my reasoning being legit, then there is nothing i can do about it, but what you are saying doesn't make me mafia. On December 22 2023 13:00 sandroba wrote: Doesn't really matter at this point but found it funny. Rayn: Also Rayn: None of that is mutually exclusive. I said Trfel is wishy-washy, it's his town tell. Then i said i think when the game went on he is just trying to overplay it, because pretty much nothing ever went to actual conclusions. It really looked to me he was trying to overplay his town meta. | ||
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On December 22 2023 18:37 Palmar wrote: If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move? Because he said he would mason either me/chezinu/marv. In the game. Like ofc what he said before game is legit town, why does he say different things in the game? | ||
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On December 22 2023 18:37 Palmar wrote: If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move? You are right, it is. Unfortunately in this case it is not  | ||
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Because i don't think i would be. Generally i don't get suspected as mafia. I know how to talk to people, i know how to be irritating towards people so that it doesn't get me scumread. I can read the game to say what people want to hear. Most of the time people think i am mafia, it's because i am town and i do what i believe is right and it doesn't sit well with other people. When i am town i don't care about that. When i am mafia i definitely care about that because it's all you need to care about when being mafia. What's my angle and play here, starting from D2? | ||
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I think both Sandroba and I could’ve just ended the game last night if we’re scum by moving on Trfel. So it’s you or slam. I have better reasons to think slam is town. I’m not reading your entire filter lol. | ||
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On December 22 2023 19:54 Palmar wrote: I think both Sandroba and I could’ve just ended the game last night if we’re scum by moving on Trfel. Youre definitely right here. | ||
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Too much of non-nonsense, too much awareness for Slam to be town. | ||
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On December 21 2023 12:44 sandroba wrote: GG. How agonizing. The last one is rayn unless you want to argue Trfel not only townsided pretty heavily, but also mind controlled rayn to be as scummy as possible. I found this thing earlier by the way, but at that point I was tired of arguing with mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/598880-chezinu-streaks-vote-thread?page=2 Rayn voting Rels in the exact same spot he voted Chezinu this game. Also rayn's filter and annoying conflict with HF, very similar to his behavior here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet&page=19 I don't think this is a good use of "meta". People have tried to meta me probably almost every game i have playead and always they get it wrong, because they do not look at the situation the game is in. Here is an appropriate use of meta: On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. You just don't compare posts and say someone is mafia based on "meta because they did similar post in another game". Like idk.. Go and read marv's filter D3-N3, why do you think he was killed? Why do you think i would, if anyone, kill him? (i would though) But in your world... I am not even going to go into your first quote, but the second one is ridiculous. In that game HF said he was VTand he was roleblocked, noone as VT knew if they were roleblocked or not. When that statement came out, what was i supposed to think as town or as mafia? How does it reflect to this game? Answer is in no way at all. That's not a way to use meta. | ||
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If i was mafia i would be all over that shit, because i am 100% right and he is 100% wrong. I let it go, not to say i don't consider it anymore in this game which is ridiculous because it makes him mafia 99% of the time (apparently it didn't), but like i am never fucking letting that shit go for a second if i am mafia because i can argue it over and over again and noone can blame me because i am "right". | ||
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