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It won't surprise you MZ, I think CC and LS.
CC blablabla same old reasons. I've kind of moved on and don't want to talk about it. I haven't read them in a while because it was tilting me and so before saying anything on them I think I have to force myself back on that grindstone.
LS I think went from the lynch to "99%" town based on a single claim. Even now, I think Marv hasn't understood what I was saying (I never implied there were two of the same role). So having not spent that much time reading him since the lynch, I think the overall shape of his game is bad. I'm VT, but if I were cop/investigator I would not have CCed so to me at least my read on his alignment is still reddish but it doesn't matter because either he'll get CCed (or a blue will die) or he won't and we'll worry about it then.
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On June 14 2023 18:43 TankTopTiger wrote:
(I never implied there were two of the same role).
EBWOP: two investigator types fuck
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Obviously, I'm not communicating well. I'll write the explanation for clarity but I'm dropping it otherwise.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm saying that if I was cop or tracker I wouldn't have CCed. So it doesn't matter if it's possible for there to be two inspector type roles (i never thought there would be) because it's possible for there to be one and LS to still be red. If I was cop or tracker, I would have let him go and kept using my role then claim later (or claim by default when MS/NK).
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On June 14 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
Meeting finished early so I flicked through LS’ filter. He’s just not mafia. Take away the blue claim and he’d be one of my strongest townreads. His stream of posts make sense (in the way that LS’ posts make sense within their own world, if that makes any sense to anyone else?). The read/vote on TTT does not feel contrived.
Including the fake C&P opener and being able to tell that a conversation is forced without being able to tell the direction of that force? We were just about to lynch him and now you're saying he's the greenest man alive.
Any other of you vibey folk verify this read? Does it make sense? Because I can' evaluate this shit I'm not built that way and don't understand LS's meta.
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I never claimed cop last game I only talked about being a cop in a past game with DP unless you thinking of VE who did claimed cop as mafia End of Day 2.
Ah, sorry, I misremembered. My bad.
FWIW I was also trying to get your shit out in the open now. If you're town, people have sort of decided that but not given much reason. If we're doing these chaotic lynchings and a CC comes up, you need to be vetted beforehand otherwise you're just a free MS. We've got two more mislynches then we lose, and these tides are fickle.
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On June 14 2023 20:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 20:05 TankTopTiger wrote:On June 14 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
Meeting finished early so I flicked through LS’ filter. He’s just not mafia. Take away the blue claim and he’d be one of my strongest townreads. His stream of posts make sense (in the way that LS’ posts make sense within their own world, if that makes any sense to anyone else?). The read/vote on TTT does not feel contrived. Including the fake C&P opener and being able to tell that a conversation is forced without being able to tell the direction of that force? We were just about to lynch him and now you're saying he's the greenest man alive. Any other of you vibey folk verify this read? Does it make sense? Because I can' evaluate this shit I'm not built that way and don't understand LS's meta. I don’t think Marv would lie about this unless he was mafia with ls.
I'm not just evaluating Marv's honesty with that question. My vibe read on Marv is townish ATM.
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Who is mafia?
Weak red Rayn (to be expanded upon/confirmed). I did look over his filter and in isolation I don't see what I was seeing early game. He's been cruising since CCgate with the exception of TTTantrumgate when he was fighting DP. I don't understand his vote on Chez or why he switched off so quickly. He's been misreading me a lot and it's super frustrating, and so I haven't really engaged with him because it feels like he wants me to be mafia.
Red CC (stale)
LS I'm just treating as grey even if my vibe read is not at all the same as others vibe reading him
I think chez is possible based on gamestate but I don't read his posts until there's a good reason to because I consider it a waste of time.
I don't have strong feelings about MZ or vivax, but that puts them as light green by default given how much they've posted without any alarms going off for me.
Slam is another I genuinely don't understand the green read on. It feels like people just decided it. He feels different to last game (emptier) but he also got caught last game, partially for having too full of a filter. I wouldn't read him red per se but I feel like he's taken a step back from last game.
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The read above doesn't take into consideration the lynch which I've yet to really look at. For me, this pushes all of them a little further red, and everyone off my wagon a little further green. When I've got time, I want to go over it because I can probably get some town reads from seeing who had the option to swap onto me but didn't considering there was only one vote in it.
But this doesn't really mean much for you guys because you don't know I'm green. When/if I die, this information might be relevant.
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Can I ask how dangerous Hap is as a town? It sounded like he was respected but he wasn't getting the dick-riding treatment like e.g. Marv.
Strong town but weak scum?
I know NK wifom, but I think each player sort of has a range of people they NK. If I was scum, I would have gone after Rayn/Marv/DP because I don't know Hap or what he's capable of. I get the sense that there's a narrative surrounding the stronger players that more sheepy players would be submerged in and glued to. I think people also remove the threats they know. So I think the strongest player on the scum team is someone who has played with Hap before and respects his town game enough to consider it as much of a threat as Rayn/DP/marv. Someone discerning and confident. I think this points once more to one of Marv/Rayn/DP, but maybe others, I don't know the history of other players.
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On June 14 2023 20:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 20:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
The read above doesn't take into consideration the lynch which I've yet to really look at. For me, this pushes all of them a little further red, and everyone off my wagon a little further green. When I've got time, I want to go over it because I can probably get some town reads from seeing who had the option to swap onto me but didn't considering there was only one vote in it.
But this doesn't really mean much for you guys because you don't know I'm green. When/if I die, this information might be relevant. Why is everyone not lynching more green when they lynched another townie?
Because I think my perceived value as a town is higher than the perceived value of Vayo as town, as discussed with MZ.
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On June 14 2023 20:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 20:47 TankTopTiger wrote:
Who is mafia?
Weak red Rayn (to be expanded upon/confirmed). I did look over his filter and in isolation I don't see what I was seeing early game. He's been cruising since CCgate with the exception of TTTantrumgate when he was fighting DP. I don't understand his vote on Chez or why he switched off so quickly. He's been misreading me a lot and it's super frustrating, and so I haven't really engaged with him because it feels like he wants me to be mafia.
Red CC (stale)
LS I'm just treating as grey even if my vibe read is not at all the same as others vibe reading him
I think chez is possible based on gamestate but I don't read his posts until there's a good reason to because I consider it a waste of time.
I don't have strong feelings about MZ or vivax, but that puts them as light green by default given how much they've posted without any alarms going off for me.
Slam is another I genuinely don't understand the green read on. It feels like people just decided it. He feels different to last game (emptier) but he also got caught last game, partially for having too full of a filter. I wouldn't read him red per se but I feel like he's taken a step back from last game. What about Marv?
Marv townish but haven't really kept up. I like that he's butthurt about getting mislynched last game. I like that he's actually evaluating me based on what he perceives as my limitations (based on that butthurt  ). He could have eeeassssilly killed me D2 and he would have probably felt good doing it but he didn't.
It just makes sense to me. But this is vibe level read so light green.
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If you want marv, after this game I would be interested in reviewing what you said that I ignored game 1. As much as I make fun of you, my tunnel on you whiffing did me psychological damage. I felt gaslit by reality tbh.
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Okay the NK makes a lot of sense then. Who of MZ/vivax/Chez/CC/LS/Slam would be aware of this Hap meta?
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Okay well then... I guess that deadends that line of thinking then. Thanks anyway.
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Yeah it was tricky with that. I tried really hard to make you answer the question in a non-ambiguous way, because your original statement was unclear. I'd decided before you answered my question (I remember trading you 1 for 1) that if you confirmed my interpretation I would tunnel you to death. I think you claimed that after you confirmed my interpretation that you hadn't actually read it or something like that and I was already committed and in a hyper-focused mindset. Oh well, I'll look back over it after this game.
I'm off to bed. Chances are I won't be back until NK+5. I'm not worried it's me so no night post and I've already dropped my list anyway.
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I'm picked up soon, so I'll make this quick:
On June 15 2023 02:17 CopCake wrote:
I am sorry, I am going to sound “tunelled” but in my mind the only person I can think of being mafia playing us all is TTT.
- He is not trying to solve the game:
• he doesnt read chezinu because is a waste of time (he said so)
I didn't read Chez or Slam last game until lylo. If people are trying hard not to be understandable, I'm not going to try hard to understand them until I have to. That means if they're up for lynch I'll filter them. But for now, they're a huge uncontributing, unlynchable nothingburger.
• cares about activity but doesnt read posts (slam)
See above.
• when provided with information of past games he doesnt care (my links of previous games)
I didn't read additional games last game either and I was town. You're just going to have to accept that I don't approach shit like you do. I rely on witness testimony, because if someone lies about what transpires in another game, it's verifiable by others who were there. Saves enormous effort.
• tinfoils something I tinfoiled earlier (LS) yet I am his biggest red read
I don't see how this makes me red.
• only cares about DP’s opinion and maybe rayn’s and marv because he is a “deity”
No, Marv is treated like a deity. I personally don't see it but everyone rides his dick so I'm assuming he's got a long track record of being solid. I care about DP's opinion that's true, and Rayne's too but less this game. Rayne was the only person in obs QT last game who had a handle on the game and that's worth a lot even if he's wrong in this game.
• “mafia wanted to lynch me because i was so good last game” therefore all my wagon is mafia.
That's not what I said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Now Rayn is mafia because ????????????? He doesnt read me correctly? Consider and judge his actions not just the answers he can provide.
That's not what I said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So by his list only DP and Marv are town.
That's not what I said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is a nothing post. You're shitting on me for both reading the same as you and for reading differently to you, for listening to the only player that's consistently made sense, and for managing my time the same way I did last game.
o/
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MZ why am I town?
Because if I take a birds eye view of my behaviour I can barely see why I'm town. If you're town, and you believe I'm town, you need to provide some explanation now because when I flip town (and you're saying it's going to happen), you will likely be next on the block and that will be game.
You have some sort of 300IQ silver bullet?
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@town
I'm getting blamed for a lot of shit. There is an expectation for good cases to have been made by now and I haven't made one. But I'm not the only one being blamed. Rayn was blamey af, DP has been getting blamey and we just had a huge shit-fight.
But no town has done anything verifiably productive all game. If there is evidence, it hasn't led to a case that has ended up with a lynch. So stop coping and put your head on straight. Town score = 0. You have done 0. There is not enough good info to hang mafia, and if there is, literally zero town have managed to identify it. So stop blaming and try to play the game.
Rayn, you're probably blustering in obsQT rn over how scum I am. I want you to remember me saying this after the game. You did nothing, that's okay because nobody has, but you don't get to blame others. That won't be apparent rn, but it will be later and maybe you can avoid being a gaping asshole next time 
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I can see the future, and it's not one town is going to like.
DP/Marv I think you've got to figure out whether you trust the other. Tomorrow is lylo and presumably, one of you will die to NK. If both of you are mafia, it's gg. There is no real chance of town winning at this point if that's the case, so I don't think it's worth town even considering. So I think town's best shot of getting through tomorrow is if we bet heavy on the read of our best players.
So when I flip green and you are dead, do you trust Marv/DP to mayor town through lylo or no?
We need to play risky, because we are up against a 3 stack and we will only have four.
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On June 15 2023 16:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Can any blues claim now?
Yeah this would be the time.
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