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On December 05 2020 02:11 iamperfection wrote: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/400204-personality-mafia-2 the fall of marv game That was the game Foolishness and Marv tunnelled each other into literal oblivion. | ||
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On December 07 2020 14:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat :eyes: | ||
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I would shoot wave if I had a gun but what else is new tbh. | ||
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On January 08 2021 07:57 Dandel Ion wrote: nice dodge writer i think you're roleplaying and it's boring | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think my new role is trying to get me mod killed. Idk who the new mod is, is Dandel a mod now? Is hapa playing now? So many questions this leaves me. I'm scared enough to vote for every bad mafia player in here, shitters. pretty much same | ||
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i literally have no idea what alignment dandel is anymore this role shit really makes all his activity just about meaningless GB is among the only people actually scumhunting (even if poorly) so they are almost certainly town conversion's lame he can die same with JAT I like Vivax's limited posting same with Shockey tho not as limited not sure why Slam literally only posts that Dandel is mafia | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Because Im doing what I can right now to ensure Hapa doesn't get lynched. Why would we lynch Hapa over someone we think could actually be mafia? | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:37 Vivax wrote: I really just want to know if Gubby and yamato were scum in the last phase. I...wasn't town. im pretty sure your real alignment hasn't actually changed LMAO | ||
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top meme flavor tho Hapa I dig it | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:42 Vivax wrote: Third party. I was TickTock and had to +1 the lynch for 5 times to win and get removed from the game. Special ability was to force a lynch between me and someone else to get a +2 towards the 5/5 if I won. My new role is town. well you and HF both claimed ticktock so that's a good laugh | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote: There could be a distinct possibility that everything sticks if we lynch hapa though. I don't want to take that chance My new role is ass And that's probably Dandels wincon btw the "role" dandel sent me is a literal meme that might be the case but there's literally 0 incentive to do that so we should just lynch normally | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Tictock also claimed tictock lol he did not | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh the bold didnt work He said he has a new role as himself right but vivax and hf claimed it before the role changes | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:53 ghostofconversion wrote: ok yall want to call me lame after inviting me to a game that i barely want to play im out then c ya /replace me Dandel or Hapa let Hopeless1der play bye bye if this is an impression of me i am upset | ||
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On January 09 2021 07:57 ghostofconversion wrote: so do i trust this Dandel post or not cause im getting conflicting information i trust hapa's post on the matter i trust nothing dandel has posted. | ||
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On January 09 2021 08:41 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, let me do this: ##Vote: Dandel Ion we can't lynch Dandel per Hapa's post, GB | ||
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its all memes right now i guess | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:07 Hapahauli wrote: Nuclear launch detected. The nuke is projected to hit Yamato in 24 hours. oof well if I die I posted my reads and I will do so again if anything changes also you guys should probably lynch conversion | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't think that's a real nuke. He's roleplaying as me I think. Hapa just posted that it was so...? | ||
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It's clear to anyone with a brain that I am town by now anyway so whatever. If I die lynch conversion. I suppose I will continue to play as if it's a fake until proven otherwise. | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why are people so convinced dandel is scum? I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:21 Holyflare wrote: Yamato if you vote hapa we'll be in dandel's game where you aren't being nuked  That's not a solution to anything. My role in "dandel's game" is an absolute meme and I refuse to acknowledge it exists You can't even be guaranteed that this will happen. Voting Hapa or Dandel is just trolling in my opinion. Seems like everyone's trolling tho | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:43 ghostofconversion wrote: martyring is super town btw i dont like martyr yams can you make more smartass comments about my fake vigs? That is not martyring the host literally just said you shot a nuke at me. I refuse to believe town you shoots a nuke at me at this stage in the game for real ergo | ||
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Oh well. I guess it's funny for you. | ||
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On January 09 2021 03:36 ghostofconversion wrote: что ты имеешь в виду, я святой, я понятия не имею, о чем ты говоришь This translates to "What do you mean, I'm a saint, I have no idea what you're talking about" in Russian fwiw | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:52 ghostofconversion wrote: anyways this is time for me to jetski outta here i satisfied with my information so far 토끼가 썩은 악어 위를 달리다 Google translate says this means "rabbit runs on a rotten crocodile" which makes little sense so this must be an idiom or something | ||
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On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote: The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment | ||
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I would also lynch conversion. I wanted to lynch JAT but he posted and I'm not caught up Will read and post concise thoughts before I go to hed | ||
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where are your reads? | ||
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Pushing a lynch on claimed 3p is likewise pretty stupid. This game is very all over the place. | ||
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On January 11 2021 06:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Imagine doing anything to play the game but when you don't, blame things on people who did Oh yams, never change Weekends are bad times. I've been way more exhausted than usual. I'll play more tonight tho I promise | ||
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I am going to type a lot in this post. I don't currently have the luxury of "interacting" with people so there's a lot I need to process, and the best way for me to do that is to write it out. I'd like to establish my thoughts on most of the claims made in the game, all of the actual roles used on Day 1, and obviously my analysis of how the lynch happened and what that says about players' alignments. I'm sure at this point in the game there is likely enough to go on that I should have a few decent townreads and at least one confident scumread. Lastly, before I get to my reread and my reactions to things that have happened in my general absence, I want to clarify some of the statements I have made previously in my brief and direct filter. I obviously thought Wave was mafia early on based on his N0 posting (very fluff, mostly about setup and whining that people weren't playing like him) and his start to D1 where he concluded that a no lynch was the most viable path forward and took some amount of convincing otherwise. Then he scumclaimed, albeit for an instance of this game that doesn't necessarily apply anymore. However, I do not see the town motivation to scumclaiming in Dandel's game. My current read (before I read D1) is that Wave is playing to disrupt useful discussion and generally be unhelpful in actually forming a cohesive idea about the game and finding a good lynch, which I obviously think is a mafia motivated playstyle. He could also just be "playing around", but that is a convenient excuse for scumWave to fall back on/ Likewise, Conversion's playstyle has only served to create chaos and disrupt the thread. His multiple fakeclaims and his dud of a nuke on myself helped nothing. If he has reads I don't know them, and I stand by my statement saying and I would nuke him. Being a troll and mafia are not mutually exclusive, as it turns out. I didn't like JAT's early posting but as I stated earlier in my filter, I have not caught up on how he has played in some time. I liked Vivax' posting and thought process, and I obviously believe his claim, which makes me heavily question HF and his counterclaim. I hope some light was shed on this conundrum in my absence. Now, obviously we all know GB is town now, and I am not here to simply say "I told you so", even though I already did. My initial thought about his lynch, again, having not caught up, is that it might have been a bandwagon led by a strong mafia player given a weak town presence in pushing a lynch. Some of the blame for that inevitably falls at my feet for largely ignoring the game, as Wave pointed out, but nonetheless I feel as if there was some malfeasance going on there. That said, I will not simply call the first person to vote GB mafia without at least attempting to understand how the lynch actually happened, these are just my thoughts as someone who saw a person he thought was fairly town get lynched. Now, TO READ On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think conversion is me. I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was. I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think. This post sticks out to me as another stinker. I think a Vivax lynch is inherently scum favored and obviously a no lynch is as well. Obi goes to the shit pile for me. This is also a tangent that I find appalling. Slam's push of an impossible lynch on Dandel for a flimsy reasoning about the use of his role is something that I think any town player would quickly and rightly ignore. Hopefully Slam realizes his mistake at some point. My gut reaction to this is "then find some fucking mafia instead of no-lynching and claiming scum". I usually don't mind survival plays but I also really don't like how hard Wave is working to not have scumreads up to this point in the game. On January 10 2021 02:00 Vivax wrote: Filter here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafia?user=Vivax However Gubby suggested it before you, coincidentially I've been thinking he's scum for awhile. Going back in time, I wonder if this is the impetus for the GB lynch? It's not bad reasoning IMO if that's what people sheep off of since I think this heuristic is somewhat useful but GB also has reads outside of wanting to lynch Vivax, which I think is an important corollary to the concept. A mafia "hunting" 3p is one thing, a townie not believing a 3p claim is another. GB is not what one might call an optimal player given that he began the game with a scumread on me. Alas, this is an aside. On January 10 2021 07:14 Holyflare wrote: GB is mafia btw really obvious HF's dismissively brief posting like this irks me, and especially here as a train is forming on Wave that HF himself has at least egged on. On January 10 2021 07:25 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, not unlikely I'd say. His appearance today was not very inspiring. On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Wouldn't surprise me either at this point tbh. It's also quite frustrating that this gets sheeped immediately by two other people for apparently no reason. On January 10 2021 12:01 Holyflare wrote: You just kind of exist. Your actually like rolling mafia and so not voting Dandel for host is against the spirit of your alignment. You drew alignment conclusions on people based on Dandel's words but didn't think that Dandel could be mafia and other people know what his role does because they are mafia. You jumped to them being town (Obi). You have had little to no interaction with me, something like one post. You're not interested in solving the slots. You throw away voted Dandel at the start of the day instead of literally anyone you mafia read. Even now that people are voting Wave you've had little interest in even commenting on it. I disagree with a lot of this post and I can feel things turning against GB here, especially given his simultaneous decision to push a lynch on Vivax. On January 10 2021 12:02 Holyflare wrote: And now you're voting a guy that claimed 3P with a role that is directly countered by someone else in this game and would possibly remove themselves from the game after this night. Truly this is a confusing post tho. If HF counterclaims Vivax in rolename, why does he not want to see him lynched? That's a question I hope gets answered. On January 10 2021 13:21 Alakaslam wrote: Which, is why I am not pushing it anymore. Was trying to keep up RP but holy shit if it wasn’t actually super effective... I guess Slam did realize his mistake? But he couldn't switch his vote for RP reasons... not in love with that, but it sounds like something he would do. On January 10 2021 17:03 WaveofShadow wrote: They're sprinkled about. Not too many yet Don't spout buzzwords at me though you know I'm right. You didn't like my posting? I trolled and you jumped on like 5min into the game. Don't pretend like you have anything even remotely substantial. Do something useful yourself and maybe I'll do the same Wave clearly doesn't actually think I'm mafia but he's somehow using my activity as a defense of his own lack of reads when I definitely had more posted reads than him in a fraction of the filter? Good lord. On January 11 2021 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote: You are the worst. I love you but, just the worst. Lynch me or don't. I've found scum and was happy again with this game until you came back Putting down my phone Wave's 1 actual read is a meta read that Obi is mafia and he literally refuses to play the game despite other people trying to push decent ideas on him. In the last few pages Conversion made a decent case (I hate to admit) on TickTock that HF echoed and I really wish the lynch had gone in that direction. Wave's excuse for not voting him is his interactivity, but I think that a lot of his posts are seemingly rhetorical questions to get people to reiterate what they've already said in their posts. I also agree with Conversion's suspicion of Shockey, fwiw. So maybe my fake murderer is JUST a troll and not actually mafia himself. That said, I would expect a town GB lynch to include some mafia on the wagon SO we'll see. On January 11 2021 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: As for others, yams town, I hope jat/HF are town because it could still go either way. Town is certainly more likely at this point. I'd look toward the people who just haven't done much tbh here, Shocckey, Slam, GB, it's all more or less a crapshoot. I agree that the wagon on me looks good because none of them have jumped on but I truly don['t think that's indicative here---partially because I know otherwise but partially because none of them have had to do much of anything. They haven't been forced to throw a vote or grilled in any way, so they haven't had to commit, which is I think more damning than bandwagoning at this point. Oh also Conversion town. I hope This post of Wave's I actually like. First one this game I like, and his reads are somewhat close to mine. I still don't think JAT is all that townie up to this point and I would be much less suspicious of GB but the rest of it is ok. His scumread of Obi, tho, is not something I really want to dissect. Seems like a huge waste of time. If Obi's mafia it's not because he made a weird post in a QT. On January 11 2021 03:42 Holyflare wrote:  ##vote Glowingbear On January 11 2021 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Dude doesn't care what's happening. On January 11 2021 03:43 justanothertownie wrote: I could get behind that too. On January 11 2021 03:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm down. A literal 1 for 1 recreation of the earlier posting pattern that actually morphs into a real train on GB. I sort of have to believe there's mafia here, and right as of this moment it feels like JAT. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear I can consolidate on a null read. Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real Or maybe this is the mafia. Together with Vivax these are all the votes on GB I believe, and we can expect On January 11 2021 05:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: LMFAO?? What does this even mean?... I knew GB wasn’t mafia, you’re the first to vote for him, then claim I’m mafia. You must be mafia with conversion. I would not be upset if Shockey dies. This likely also means that HF's "counterclaim" of Vivax was fake. Idk why he did this but at this point it's not nearly enough to make me suspicious of HF. Most of N1's posting is largely irrelevant. Eversince's absence is concerning but not wholly damning. The tone of Eversince's posts is townish. Otherwise I see Shockey being mafia and TickTock analysis Dandel's role (which I think a mafia would really want to do) That said, Dandel really needs to do something besides discuss his own game at this point. It is not material to the actual game we are playing now. Effectively, he removed himself from the lynch for a day and had some memey flavor. Ha ha. Time to find mafia. I agree with general thread sentiment on TickTock and Shockey. I trust JAT much less than most people however. Wave is probably bad town. HF is probably town but if there's a sneaky mafia it's him. Conversion is probably town. Obi is town-ish for me but I strongly dislike how easily he sheeped onto GB. I trust Vivax' claim. I don't think it's worth trying to lynch him for some time. If I had to guess about Slam's alignment this game I would say town but really who knows. I think that's just about everyone in the game. This read took me a little over an hour. I don't think I'll be around too long to respond to anything but this should be sufficient to explain my current thought processes and how I view the game going forward. I think there's a strong possibility that a good town cohesion forms from this post and we lynch the sus people. I don't really want to post this at night since mafia could easily choose to shoot me after this but they might already or Obi could have KP and wish to kill me SO here you go. | ||
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He seems to be falling in line with thread sentiment a lot without much of his own apparent thought process. His post-sheep work justifying a vote on Wave is unconvincing in particular. His lack of reasoning behind a GB vote is even more frustrating. I see him cite meta reasons at one point, a point of contention that I did not think was a driving factor behind the case on GB. Right now my top 3 scumreads are Shockey, TickTock, and JAT, and the common denominator to me is how they acted around the GB vote. Shockey's voting makes no sense if he's town, and Ticktock/JAT sheeped a bit too willingly for my tastes. | ||
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On January 10 2021 20:22 justanothertownie wrote: I would be interested in that reason right now. The conversion stuff also does not really convince me. The fakenuke on yamato was a decent choice for example. I also really, strongly dislike this line of reasoning. I said exactly why I believe otherwise already, and this reads like a fabricated reason to townread someone that you already know is town. I also believe he doesn't elaborate much on this point. Why is fakenuking me at that point in the game a pro-town move? If anything it sidetracked me at a point in time where I was actually interested in the game. Later he posts this: On January 11 2021 02:12 justanothertownie wrote: I obviously knew my nuke was a dud, which is also why I assume conversion knew that about his. I just didn't want Wave to be able to hide behind a claimed 3p. I also still think we should not lynch Vivax since his claim seemed genuine to me. If we are ever in doubt we can still kill him and if there are actual town KP he also wouldn't be a terrible shot but for now he is not a priority to me. I agree in principle with his reasoning for faking a nuke on Vivax but I disagree with its equivalence to faking a nuke on me. I think JAT obviously had a similar role (maybe a copycat role, even, but that is idle speculation) and used his in a way he believes is pro town, but I do not think that he could really think that Conversion's nuke on me was pro town, especially given that he said it was a bad nuke if it was real. The difference is not that large in effect. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:58 Eversince wrote: If my ENTIRE ROLE DID NOTHING BUT SEW CHAOS I WOULDN'T FUCKING USE IT! Christ. I didn't mean to channel my inner Rayn. But if Dandel can steal the host I can steal somebody to RP that fits my mood enough I no longer RP. yeah but dandel would | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:21 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't really think Wave is mafia for that. But that's because contrary to you I think he is a dick. I don't even think it matters if he thought the game was real, he wanted it not to be and was willing to risk modkilling his entire squad for that selfish desire. At least that was my take, didn't read d1 super closely. That would mean Wave didn't want to be mafia, an assertion I disagree with | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:29 Holyflare wrote: You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game. I mean, it looked like exactly what I said it was all along, and lo and behold I was right. There's a world where Wave began the day thinking not lynching Hapa was super important to make him not mafia and then realized that Dandel's game was a farce and decided to claim scum in it after telling his "scum buddies". None of that means he isn't town. It does not require one to have extra knowledge to make this play. It's not a good case. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think we should be talking about me though I'll look into... Who, shockey? At work today so will be sporadic I agree this discussion feels like we're still talking about Dandel's role and I really want that thread of discussion to die immediately. Shockey is absolutely mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean not from my perspective. If we want to lynch Dandel I'm totally fine with that based on role alone, it seems pretty anti town, but I don't think there's anything else to learn from my perspective on the 'alignment change' despite the fact that hf thinks he nailed the scum team I'm way more inclined to listen to anything yamato has said than HF because so far everything hf has said has been completely wrong I think JAT is trying to associate between you and HF for how the lynch played out | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:47 WaveofShadow wrote: I also have very strong suspicion that Tictock is town, not in small part due to his 'trap' he set up in the QT for me, but I guess that could be marination, to borrow a term from among us Though settings traps are overwhelmingly town mindset oriented I think your read on TickTock is shallower than "strong suspicion" He really looks to me like someone trying to appear earnest but focusing on the absolute incorrect things | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:48 Holyflare wrote: What exactly have I said that's been wrong? If you are town then everyone that dodged your wagon and gave TMI is exactly who I called out? You want to look into Shockey, who I'm calling mafia. If you are town and you wanted to potentially ruin the game just so you wouldn't be a vanilla role (even though I am essentially a vanilla role in hapa's game) then I have absolutely 0 respect left for you. I choose to not believe that world. Man, you are putting too much stock into the Dandel game. I don't think Wave ever risked ruining the game with his play | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:49 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, why wouldn't I? If Wave is scum there is a clear motivation in switching to GB. Pretty tinfoil on N1 if you ask me. Shockey/TickTock are much more likely mafia, not to mention Slam/Dandel/Obi who I would all lynch rn before digging into HF/Wave | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:52 justanothertownie wrote: I mean it doesn't necessarily have to be HF but I think it is quite obvious that Waves alignment is important when discussing our day1, yes? Yeah I have a flimsy townread on him because of his secondary reads post. There's also the fact that he's one of the more central figures in the game and thus much less likely to be mafia overall than a tertiary player like Shockey/TickTock/Obi. I get your point about his lynch not really taking off but I also think that D1 was such a mess that it doesn't necessarily have to mean that mafia were avoiding his wagon on purpose. That is, assuming you aren't mafia and joined on with me/hf | ||
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TickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak. I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point. Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener. I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes. Oh and townfeels for Sho. and bedtime for myself His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote: Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time. Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day. Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though. Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage. So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion. However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD. This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote: What makes you think this game has roles like that? On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote: Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed. On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote: Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important? On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote: Did I miss something? Are you being attacked? Blink twice if you need help. Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote: Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought. I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment. I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight). The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts. A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff. I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff). A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote: Oh almost forgot. ##Vote: Holyflare Just covering my bases. How is this ever his vote in this spot? On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote: You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake? Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town. There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy. If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear I can consolidate on a null read. Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote: Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate. I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here. From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day. One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it. Take that as you will. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote: To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it. On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch. The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak. The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote: Uhh... I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts. | ||
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On January 11 2021 23:40 Holyflare wrote: I can't die because then mafia will lose. lmao | ||
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On January 11 2021 23:58 Dandel Ion wrote: Most of your case is that he focusses too much on me, doesn't have reads or push anything, but you're townreading eversince so it's hard to take you seriously on that front. The rest is meta, which is fair enough i guess but i can't really do much with it. I am actually cautiously unenthused. unlike eversince I think TT has been around a significant amount of time during important parts of the game you're also ignoring his terrible sheep onto the GB lynch | ||
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On January 12 2021 00:15 Dandel Ion wrote: true but you also need to factor in how much fun it is to lynch you a lot | ||
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HF you outed yourself and Wave and me for this stupidity | ||
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On January 12 2021 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Why is obi not scum again? Bigger fish to fry Wave It's majority lynch and Shockeyy's power might be more than he's letting on | ||
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On January 12 2021 11:18 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god you did this last game I played with you and I got lynched and was town. Here you are doing the same exact thing again. Open your eyes mate. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES6kLSLWAAAILVf?format=jpg&name=medium) You did not get lynched in Greymist game | ||
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On January 12 2021 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok but 4rlz Explain like I'm some sort of bad player or something. I'm fine to sheep I guess but I kinda feel a little bad for him here with how everyone is ganging up What actually makes him scum If you need convincing I'll go through his filter but nobody likes my cases even though they r gud | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't wait for shockeyy to flip town despite the endless tunnel It will amuse me to no end he's not even reading the thread obviously so he can die and i won't care | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: I've read and written more than you have. you've spammed a lot but you think i still think conversion is mafia so you're not reading i also never said slam was mafia you also didn't read the interaction between hf wave and myself you're clearly not reading | ||
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you're not contributing anything meaningful. if you're actually town you need to try harder to find mafia and actually read the thread right now you're just complaining because we think you're mafia which is just lazy | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm finding yourself and HF to be more of a team than conversion and I've ready man. I've read. I can pull up any kind of info you want because I remember the whole thread. LMAO imagine thinking HF and myself are mafia | ||
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I will not feel bad whatever you flip but obviously I think you are just lazy spammer mafia which fools people like Wave who think activity = towniness | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: I can be even lazier and not post at all. It'll fit into my role play. If your RP is to be terrible town please just die in silence | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Your one big mega posts about me and tictock was one big shit post that also shitted up the thread cause its all nonsense conspiracy to frame tictock as mafia. I don't need to write five pages to make my point. he's next so please tell us why you think he's town so i can use it against him tomorrow | ||
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On January 13 2021 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean that's probably not a very good roleplay But would be hilarious nonetheless I feel like I should note here I'm not rping because I have no idea how to do it Take that as you will Yams I assume you haven't been either maybe i should... :thinking: | ||
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we are not moving from this lynch | ||
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you're mindgaming yourselves he is mafia | ||
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Remember, Wave protected me from mafia KP and I was on them | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:42 WaveofShadow wrote: So your stance is he is just fucking with us? And martyring through his ability but not in the thread? He is doubtlessly fucking with us, that much is so obvious it is without question I don't know why he chose to use his ability, but it makes it super imperative we actually vote him so that his extra votes dont cause a mislynch from a bunch of split votes | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Devils advocate, not only are we not absolutely sure I protected you (though I probably did) you were screaming town so you were more likely shot at because of that, not necessarily because you're right. I'm still ok to follow you where you want to be, but I'm in the mood.to be a little critical Why shoot me over like HF for instance, he was also obviously town and people listen to him | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:47 yamato77 wrote: Why shoot me over like HF for instance, he was also obviously town and people listen to him I did WIFOM the NK a lot tho so who cares really point is they are also like actually mafia | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah HF by virtue of being hf is always a little sneaky or untrustworthy unfortunately. And I don't think he was as obvious town. Why is his fucking with the votes a danger here? If we split votes too much Shockey's vote counts for 3 and he can sway a lynch This town is too dumb to consolidate rn it seems Really he is the best lynch by FAR | ||
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On January 13 2021 00:13 Tictock wrote: Slam how exactly do you detect KP? I don't need your full role claim, I just want to know more details about what you are detecting. Did Dandel use KP? Or is it he has access to KP? Does the KP have to be a role ability or would it detect factional KP? HF, you tried putting Ever, Jat, and Yam into a QT and you did some kind of action on Sho? I see a lot of this in TickTock's filter but I really don't think he comes to a lot of conclusions Like I said I think he wants to appear interested but he stops short of the point of having convincing ideas in his posts. | ||
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On January 13 2021 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: 9-3-1 or 9-2-2? Are those the only options that make sense? I'm thinking about something I don't see much of a point in speculating on the setup tbh. | ||
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Slam's check could have been messed with, or Dandel could be some sort of weird SK/Arsonist (a possibility, but what the fuck is this role?), or Slam could actually be mafia with a power that hunts 3P and is lying about the KP. I'm really just choosing to believe the first option right now. Even if it's #2 Dandel is helping town more than Shockey, and the risk of not voting Shockey is too high I believe. | ||
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On January 13 2021 09:37 Holyflare wrote: I feel like a mafia power does not entail giving them 2 extra votes but receiving 3x as many from everyone that votes them. That is jester 101. I definitely can see it as a mafia power. If he used it on a day where he wasn't highly likely to be voted/lynched and didn't vote until late in the day it's a hilariously strong power and town would be very confused about what happened. If anything, the power makes the MOST sense as a power. The drawback is obviously that it's incredibly easy to lynch him. His power would be ridiculously OP as jester and it's frustrating that you're being blinded by his role usage when he's otherwise so obviously mafia. | ||
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On January 13 2021 15:42 Vivax wrote: Considering zero NKs so far we might not even be dealing with mafia but with a cult. „we“ I mean Or Wave actually protected me which is like the simplest explanation KISS | ||
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On January 13 2021 18:43 justanothertownie wrote: He is red checked and at worst we lynch a 3P. What is absurd about that? "having KP" is not a redcheck did you read anything I posted on this topic I am not going over it again | ||
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On January 13 2021 18:46 justanothertownie wrote: In all likelihood they are both mafia. I think that is exceedingly unlikely Dandel actually appears to be thinking about the game for one Not to mention all the scummiest people in the game are willing to lynch him so easily This feels like a terrible lynch choice to avoid actually lynching mafia | ||
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On January 13 2021 18:57 justanothertownie wrote: Look, lynching Shockey will be easy today given his ability and you seem to be hellbent on it anyways. It doesn't hurt to get a wagon on dandel going for now and see what happens. It literally does hurt because of the amount of players who are relatively inattentive and don't explain their reads at all. I also don't want to waste a whole entire other day trying to lynch Shockey again. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:24 Holyflare wrote: It doesn't matter if he did, if the wording for the heal in the QT is "protects from 1kp damage" then it's almost certain this is an hp game. These speculations about the setup are so pointless 1kp means if you get shot twice you still die, why does it have to mean there is hp? do you have hp? I have seen literally nothing that makes me think there is hp so dumb | ||
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What kind of town ability gives you extra votes but guarantees that mafia can get you to majority by themselves | ||
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Fits with how he's played today, being a shithead and only arguing with people who think he is mafia Literally, I have to see him flip red today or I will not be able to continue this game in any sane state of mind | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:30 justanothertownie wrote: Fair. But it is not very helpful as mafia either. But it is! Mafia getting extra votes is so good. How can you not see that? | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:32 Holyflare wrote: I don't like how invested yamato is in solely eliminating shockey. i don't like that you and JAT would rather play a mechanics game rather than rely on your damn READS WHO READS LIKE MAFIA, HF? | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:34 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, but mafia also does not want to get lynched, right? This makes it highly likely to get lynched. I would say the role is not really helpful to any alignment. It depends on game state obviously. The writing was on the wall for him today, clearly, so he just used it because he figured he was going to die anyway If he were not so likely to get lynched, using this ability and then voting late in the day to hide his voting strength is a strong mafia move that could literally sway a lynch and confuse the shit out of town I made this point already though | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:34 Holyflare wrote: I've already said who reads like mafia and I'm voting one of them. Even if shockey is mafia I wouldn't put it past this game to habe some bs mechanic for being voted out with how that power works. Imagine not talking about mechanics in a themed game though. Idk how you think Dandel is scummier than Shockey You are putting more weight in an unconfirmed check of dubious validity than the obvious mafia. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:37 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, that is true. Would be really idiotic to use it today then though. He's going to die anyway if people can ACTUALLY CONSOLIDATE VOTES IN A MAJORITY LYNCH GAME INSTEAD OF PLAYING LIKE MORONS WITH LATE CYCLE WAGONS | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:39 Holyflare wrote: Sounds really dumb to me. It would be almost trivial to see shockey joining a wagon and then 2 votes miraculously appearing. Unless you're saying he could activate it while already being on a wagon but then any shenanigan fucks him totally. Sounds bad. You're assuming there are votecounts between every vote, which is almost never the case Are you really even thinking with your brain | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:42 Holyflare wrote: Ah yes better make a mechanic that relies on lazy hosting at deadline. Do you even read the words you write? alright im out for now this is too dumb | ||
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On January 14 2021 02:55 ghostofconversion wrote: why are we lynching dandel again? b/c slam claimed he has kp? that's it? that's the whole reason it's really dumb | ||
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On January 14 2021 02:55 Holyflare wrote: Vivax tomorrow you need to duel someone or die btw we are not lynching Vivax tomorrow | ||
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On January 14 2021 02:59 ghostofconversion wrote: ok lets all do a deep breath and get rid of tt then why dont you want to lynch shockey | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:08 ghostofconversion wrote: ok so shockeyy is innocent child so we aer not lynching him? so that means we blindly kill someone who has kp in a themed game where a lot of people can have kp, instead of someone like toctick? wtf is this game lol shockey is not an innocent child holyflare is just being an asshole | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol Back to talking about the game, I read somewhere that shockeyy is an IC? I'm going back to look for it and can't find it. HE'S NOT HOLYFLARE IS TROLLING | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:13 justanothertownie wrote: It is impressive how easy it is for HF to cause utter confusion. A reason for this is probably that almost noone in this game is actually following the thread. no shit | ||
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On January 14 2021 04:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course tho, lynch the more active player. Never fails on these mafia forums. if you're town you have no one else to blame | ||
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On January 14 2021 04:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I already did, I’m town, but I can just multiply my vote by 1, 2, or 3, it also multiplies if you’re voting for me. I asked that today my vote was multiplied by 3 :| you're a moron if you are town and used that today when i said all night i wanted to lynch you | ||
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On January 14 2021 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: I still think obi scum I will tunnel him until the end of tiiiiiiiiiiiiiii obi is probably mafia in all realness obi/tt/eversince/vivax/dandle should all die | ||
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On January 14 2021 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: If somebody wants to try to coordinate some shenanigans with my ability let me know, otherwise I'll do something. Ps scum I'm probably a good target tonight cause I'm confirmed and won't be getting protection dont use it on HF | ||
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On January 14 2021 09:44 Holyflare wrote: For real though, I'm town, I've got big plans. Prot me or do whatever but just make sure I survive and I'll start churning out cases. I think eversince was quite generous and nice inviting me to the QT. Don't think she'd be that bold as mafia to give me some random stuff. Maybe she would, idk, it was her idea to do it and Yamato kinda poo-pood it and made sure that I wasn't saved n1. He's making silly comments like "es go tell mafia qt to shoot hf" and stuff like that so he's just a troll at best and mafia at worst. I don't think the QT has been too egregious to call either of them mafia tbh and yamato told es to sheep on shockey because she didn't really have time (a recurring theme in the QT). Could they be mafia? probably... but there's a long list of worse people I'd think I was the one who wanted to jail you N1 She said watch over jail | ||
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On January 14 2021 15:38 Tictock wrote: I kinda just gave my read on Obi, and I honestly find it touching how the entire game kinda gave Ever several phases of space out of sympathy for her work. Though it was of course only a matter of time till the lower hanging fruit were knocked down. I find Ever's post extremely honest in tone and she kinda distrusted Dandel heavily at the start so am inclined to leave her be. not much of a read there on obi you also draw no conclusions do you think he's mafia? | ||
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Mafia played really well in almost all aspects of the game, and they still could have lost if the final day hadn't gone exactly as it did. Conversion easily could have nuked TT, town could have lynched Dandel, and the game would have come down to JAT attempting to solo against a lot of powerful town roles and at least a few people still trying to make sense of the game. That's why the game is town favored. The events of this game do not reflect the balance of the setup very well because of how the last 2 days played out. Many people made mistakes, myself obviously included. I am not particularly interested in the minutiae. I will say though, there was a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy this game. | ||
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