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On January 11 2021 03:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol "I hope this isn't real because if wave is scum this game is going to suck." Why is that a slip? Either it's a typo or he hates you personally and thinks you're bad at mafia. If he's mafia n0 and turns to mafia day 1 why would the game suddenly suck if you're now mafia with him? It isn't a slip. The question for me right now is if Wave seriously believed this. Because this is all he gave us and I am not sure if I want to give him a pass for it. Seems kinda cheap.
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wait wtf where did my words go
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On January 11 2021 03:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol "I hope this isn't real because if wave is scum this game is going to suck." Why is that a slip? Either it's a typo or he hates you personally and thinks you're bad at mafia. If he's mafia n0 and turns to mafia day 1 why would the game suddenly suck if you're now mafia with him?
If anything I think it makes him marginally more townie that he thinks you're gonna out him as mafia when he's "not".
There it is.
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On January 10 2021 12:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 12:38 Holyflare wrote: Not really, you shouldn't care about voting for a 3P who says his wincon involves getting removed from the game by arbitrary mechanics.
Very unlikely mafia makes that claim.
You can put it to the test by fulfilling his criteria each day (for instance making him the second biggest wagon and him voting the counter wagon should give him +3 and thus he will be removed from the game next cycle eod if we do it twice). You're right.
On January 09 2021 08:41 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote: Dandel Ion
On January 10 2021 12:01 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax
##vote Glowingbear
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Dude doesn't care what's happening.
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I could get behind that too.
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Fine, let's see where this leads us.
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On January 11 2021 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Dude doesn't care what's happening. Apparently he is not alone...
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On January 10 2021 18:59 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 12:17 Alakaslam wrote:On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why are people so convinced dandel is scum? I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? Like which? For dandels, it’s obvious so I was making a point in reply to Yamato (I think?) saying something about not being able to discern alignments from roles; this was my way of trying to express why I disbelieve it. Just, from everything I have seen this game has very custom roles hand created for this game. You brush off a point that the OP says roles don't define alignment by refferancing normal roles designed for certain alignments. So what does it matter that those roles you listed can't be balanced if they are not in the game? Thus, why are you assuming they are? Though I suppose this also means my assessment that Dandel is 3P is null as he could be trying to achieve a win con of his as any alignment. I still would rather sort it out when his abilites are not active to avoid that. Good points, thanks for clarifying.
My point is that I believe you can’t completely separate the uses of a role from it’s alignment. So, to illustrate why I believe this, I used normal game roles because I don’t know what roles are in this particular game. But Dandel
Is not helping town
Could easily be helping scum
I want him lynched. That line of reasoning.
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On January 10 2021 19:26 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 13:21 Alakaslam wrote: Which, is why I am not pushing it anymore. Was trying to keep up RP but holy shit if it wasn’t actually super effective... So, who is mafia then? What DO you think of Dandel? Yamato.
I still want Dandel gone but he cannot be lynched.
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Votecount Hapahauli (0):
WaveofShadow (2): justanothertownie, yamato77 Dandel Ion (2): GlowingBear, Alakaslam Holyflare (1): Tictock ObiwanShinobi (1): WaveofShadow GlowingBear (1): Holyflare
Not voting (6): Shockeyy, Vivax, Eversince, Conversion, ObiwanShinobi, Hapahauli
WaveofShadow is currently set to be lunched.
until end of Day 1.
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Dandel you are starting to annoy me :D
##Vote: Glowingbear
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Votecount Hapahauli (0):
WaveofShadow (1): yamato77 Dandel Ion (2): GlowingBear, Alakaslam Holyflare (1): Tictock ObiwanShinobi (1): WaveofShadow GlowingBear (2): Holyflare, justanothertownie
Not voting (6): Shockeyy, Vivax, Eversince, Conversion, ObiwanShinobi, Hapahauli
Dandel Ion is currently set to be lunched.
until end of Day 1.
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Obi mind voting in here too? I am 99 % sure it doesn't matter at all. But if we got some kind of no lynch because dandel is leading here that would be mightily annoying.
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Why is my vote still not being counted dandel? Im not moving my vote until it is. Or maybe lynch hapa and it lynches dandel?
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dandel ignores the voting thread...
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What if dandel's VC is for something completely different?
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