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On January 11 2021 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 00:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 00:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2021 00:29 Holyflare wrote:GB - refused to join wave wagon, cited bs reasons for "oh town can totally do that" without even knowing anything about what wave said Tictock - refused to join wave wagon, cited that he felt the same as wave for wanting to see what Dandel's thing did and not really wanting to follow through with it: On January 10 2021 19:23 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 12:54 Holyflare wrote:On January 10 2021 12:44 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2021 12:40 Holyflare wrote:
What has happened in this game other than dandel? Literally nothing. Nobody pushing anything, nobody doing anything.
Wave wanted to have fun and told us all off for not voting dandel and now he won't have fun by voting hapa and seeing if something crazy will happen anymore?? Is that not suspicious to you at all? Why do you not care? Why is that mafia motivated? I see the incongruency, but I dont see why he is mafia for that Why is there an incongruous thought process if he's town??? Either he's town and miraculously stopped wanting to have fun for (?) reasons. Or he's mafia and got put in a compromising position. I enguaged Dandel's thing too and am now not wanting to pursue it to completion. So does that also make me mafia? I don't think wanting to see what something will do but changing your mind when you get a glimpse of what it is, is alignment indicative. I doubt any of the Dandel "mafia" would want to claim when everyone seems to be jumping on Wave for doing just that. Seems to simultaneously think dandel's thing has to reach some kind of completion but also that people that rolled mafia in dandel's thing won't want to claim because they'll get called scummy. Either he believes Dandel's new game can happen or he doesn't, there's a missing piece of logic here where it looks like Tictock jumps through hoops to assume too many things. Obi - possible worst offender of them all: On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think conversion is me.
I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was.
I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think. Wants to default to a 3P wagon or no lynch instead of actively searching to call anyone mafia, thinks that doing nothing will revert the game back to how it was. Seemingly reeks of TMI about Dandel's alignment and then even displays it: On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. On January 10 2021 13:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also Wave literally claimed scum so this argument seems kind of pointless. The real decision here lies in whether or not we think the game is going to revert back to normal by night or not. I feel like that situation sort of resolves itself and I'd like to know why people have sort of glossed over what I said earlier about it?
GB being scum wouldn't really surprise me that much atm but I don't really understand this argument between either of you. He even interjects between myself/GB saying he doesn't understand the argument because "the situation resolves itself" which it doesn't because my argument is that Wave is probably mafia from the night before, which Obi even acknowledges here: On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF are you implying that wave was scum during n0?
That's the gist I got from your post but I wanted to make sure. Obi seems to know that Conversion's nukes are fake which imo means that he knows: 1) Yamato is town 2) Conversion is also town I think it's a bit of a stretch to go from seeing a nuke in the thread and assuming it's fake UNLESS you know the alignment of both of those players and use that logic to leap to "why would a townie nuke another townie pointlessly like that unless it's fake" Are you legit calling everyone who didn't vote for me scum? Go home. If you can read this wall of text and make it somehow all about you rather than the points I actually raised then you have some kind of ego problem. Tictock - Logic leap Obi - Logic leap, assuming of alignments to make those leaps and the typical defend the anti town Dandel by knowing his alignment GB - completely different from normal GB, actively voting for a 3P that would leave the game if his wincon is fulfilled AND was getting nuked and doesn't put the slightest bit of effort into finding actual mafia What about those points are about you? YOUR LITERAL FIRST POINTS ABOUT GB AND TICKYOCK ARE REFUSED TO JOIN WAVE WGON
It is not a "first point" and it could be X, Y or Z's wagon. The wagon is irrelevant, the reasoning and logic is all that matters.
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On January 11 2021 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
You are the worst. I love you but, just the worst.
Lynch me or don't. I've found scum and was happy again with this game until you came back
Putting down my phone
How exactly have you found scum?
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Or is calling someone mafia finding scum now.
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On January 11 2021 00:29 Holyflare wrote:GB - refused to join wave wagon, cited bs reasons for "oh town can totally do that" without even knowing anything about what wave said Tictock - refused to join wave wagon, cited that he felt the same as wave for wanting to see what Dandel's thing did and not really wanting to follow through with it: Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 19:23 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 12:54 Holyflare wrote:On January 10 2021 12:44 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2021 12:40 Holyflare wrote:
What has happened in this game other than dandel? Literally nothing. Nobody pushing anything, nobody doing anything.
Wave wanted to have fun and told us all off for not voting dandel and now he won't have fun by voting hapa and seeing if something crazy will happen anymore?? Is that not suspicious to you at all? Why do you not care? Why is that mafia motivated? I see the incongruency, but I dont see why he is mafia for that Why is there an incongruous thought process if he's town??? Either he's town and miraculously stopped wanting to have fun for (?) reasons. Or he's mafia and got put in a compromising position. I enguaged Dandel's thing too and am now not wanting to pursue it to completion. So does that also make me mafia? I don't think wanting to see what something will do but changing your mind when you get a glimpse of what it is, is alignment indicative. I doubt any of the Dandel "mafia" would want to claim when everyone seems to be jumping on Wave for doing just that. Seems to simultaneously think dandel's thing has to reach some kind of completion but also that people that rolled mafia in dandel's thing won't want to claim because they'll get called scummy. Either he believes Dandel's new game can happen or he doesn't, there's a missing piece of logic here where it looks like Tictock jumps through hoops to assume too many things. Obi - possible worst offender of them all: Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think conversion is me.
I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was.
I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think. Wants to default to a 3P wagon or no lynch instead of actively searching to call anyone mafia, thinks that doing nothing will revert the game back to how it was. Seemingly reeks of TMI about Dandel's alignment and then even displays it: Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 13:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also Wave literally claimed scum so this argument seems kind of pointless. The real decision here lies in whether or not we think the game is going to revert back to normal by night or not. I feel like that situation sort of resolves itself and I'd like to know why people have sort of glossed over what I said earlier about it?
GB being scum wouldn't really surprise me that much atm but I don't really understand this argument between either of you. He even interjects between myself/GB saying he doesn't understand the argument because "the situation resolves itself" which it doesn't because my argument is that Wave is probably mafia from the night before, which Obi even acknowledges here: Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF are you implying that wave was scum during n0?
That's the gist I got from your post but I wanted to make sure. Obi seems to know that Conversion's nukes are fake which imo means that he knows: 1) Yamato is town 2) Conversion is also town I think it's a bit of a stretch to go from seeing a nuke in the thread and assuming it's fake UNLESS you know the alignment of both of those players and use that logic to leap to "why would a townie nuke another townie pointlessly like that unless it's fake"
I don't think I fully understand the Obi TMI point. Why would a mafia player assume a townie would not nuke a townie? I mean the townies don't know who is on their team.
Good post otherwise btw.
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I guess this doesn't really detract from the point since knowing conversions alignment would be enough to "logic leap" but yeah.
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On January 10 2021 02:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:On January 10 2021 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Worth voting Vivax if we don't have a better option?
The survivor didn't seem like a fake claim and his activity at this point is either scum or 3p probably
I haven't put in much effort to look at anyone else yet Fair. But there are other measures we can take to solve this problem. ##Nuke Vivax Nuclear launch detected. A nuke is projected to hit Vivax in 24 hours.
The nuke failed to explode on impact.
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I obviously knew my nuke was a dud, which is also why I assume conversion knew that about his.
I just didn't want Wave to be able to hide behind a claimed 3p. I also still think we should not lynch Vivax since his claim seemed genuine to me. If we are ever in doubt we can still kill him and if there are actual town KP he also wouldn't be a terrible shot but for now he is not a priority to me.
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Gotta do lunch for kids and stuff before putting youngest for nap.
I will post my reasoning for obi and then you guys can do what you will; I'm going to nap myself and won't be around for lynch
I would really have liked tictocks input specifically on obi but without that I'll still post what I can.
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@HF - I realized conversion was roleplaying as me, and I don't think anyone would yolo nuke with a real nuke for a nonexistent reason so really the only conclusion to draw was that it was fake.
I also think lynching Vivax is fine if you think the current gamestate isn't real.
I also don't really have a read on dandel either way and I'm not sure why you think otherwise? Like the case on him is objectively bad (that his role makes him mafia) but he really hasn't done anything at all and I'm not sure why that warrants a vote or how people are drawing more conclusions based on that.
I also feel like you should have responded to my post about wave being mafia from n0 before using it as a point simply because I don't feel like your reasoning regarding that has been fleshed out enough, if at all? Even if you think he was, I don't agree with it and would like reasoning as to why.
As for yamato, I actually think he's dropping towards the null category at this point but with the game being the way it is currently, I'm not really sure that even matters.
Honestly I think I mapped out my play today pretty accurately and stand by it. It's not a great strategy per se, but I feel like most of the important stuff happened n0 and most of today is going to be a wash thanks to dandel, and scumhunting based on a few lines early is going to be nigh impossible.
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I actually just realized I missed a vivax post and thought he claimed 3p this cycle, and claimed scum last cycle.
So ignore my points on him that was just a mistake on my end.
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I'm actually not sold on wave being scum n0 but if he's going to vote me then I can just vote him out of spite tbh.
GB might be a better vote and yamato is actually falling off my list, though yamato is mostly for stuff today so I'm actually not sure that really matters so much.
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On January 11 2021 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF - I realized conversion was roleplaying as me, and I don't think anyone would yolo nuke with a real nuke for a nonexistent reason so really the only conclusion to draw was that it was fake.
I also think lynching Vivax is fine if you think the current gamestate isn't real.
I also don't really have a read on dandel either way and I'm not sure why you think otherwise? Like the case on him is objectively bad (that his role makes him mafia) but he really hasn't done anything at all and I'm not sure why that warrants a vote or how people are drawing more conclusions based on that.
I also feel like you should have responded to my post about wave being mafia from n0 before using it as a point simply because I don't feel like your reasoning regarding that has been fleshed out enough, if at all? Even if you think he was, I don't agree with it and would like reasoning as to why.
As for yamato, I actually think he's dropping towards the null category at this point but with the game being the way it is currently, I'm not really sure that even matters.
Honestly I think I mapped out my play today pretty accurately and stand by it. It's not a great strategy per se, but I feel like most of the important stuff happened n0 and most of today is going to be a wash thanks to dandel, and scumhunting based on a few lines early is going to be nigh impossible.
You didn't realise Conversion is roleplaying you. One of my parents is you and neither of them are Conversion.
You don't have a read on Dandel, there is no case on Dandel other than Slam who I think basically said he made it up for RPing purposes. You've been told that already though so I don't know who these other people are that are drawing conclusions on Dandel. Dandel is just as likely to flip mafia as Vivax was (unlikely) but you mentioned Dandel at that point rather than Vivax.
It's just a bit weird for you to defend dandel when he's done absolutely shit all but distract from the game for 2 days.
What was there to respond to your posts about? That wave was mafia from n0? I already made my point clear on why I thought that, his mindset shifted from having fun to being defensive and essentially martyring for votes. Now he doesn't want to out his QT buddies even though he has no belief that Dandel's role continues past this day. Is that pro town?
Why is Yamato dropping to the null category? What's he done specifically?
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Are you in the QT with wave?
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He is and I think he scum slipped in there.
Post coming soon.
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Ah, will we finally get something juicy?
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On January 11 2021 02:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF - I realized conversion was roleplaying as me, and I don't think anyone would yolo nuke with a real nuke for a nonexistent reason so really the only conclusion to draw was that it was fake.
I also think lynching Vivax is fine if you think the current gamestate isn't real.
I also don't really have a read on dandel either way and I'm not sure why you think otherwise? Like the case on him is objectively bad (that his role makes him mafia) but he really hasn't done anything at all and I'm not sure why that warrants a vote or how people are drawing more conclusions based on that.
I also feel like you should have responded to my post about wave being mafia from n0 before using it as a point simply because I don't feel like your reasoning regarding that has been fleshed out enough, if at all? Even if you think he was, I don't agree with it and would like reasoning as to why.
As for yamato, I actually think he's dropping towards the null category at this point but with the game being the way it is currently, I'm not really sure that even matters.
Honestly I think I mapped out my play today pretty accurately and stand by it. It's not a great strategy per se, but I feel like most of the important stuff happened n0 and most of today is going to be a wash thanks to dandel, and scumhunting based on a few lines early is going to be nigh impossible. You didn't realise Conversion is roleplaying you. One of my parents is you and neither of them are Conversion. You don't have a read on Dandel, there is no case on Dandel other than Slam who I think basically said he made it up for RPing purposes. You've been told that already though so I don't know who these other people are that are drawing conclusions on Dandel. Dandel is just as likely to flip mafia as Vivax was (unlikely) but you mentioned Dandel at that point rather than Vivax. It's just a bit weird for you to defend dandel when he's done absolutely shit all but distract from the game for 2 days. What was there to respond to your posts about? That wave was mafia from n0? I already made my point clear on why I thought that, his mindset shifted from having fun to being defensive and essentially martyring for votes. Now he doesn't want to out his QT buddies even though he has no belief that Dandel's role continues past this day. Is that pro town? Why is Yamato dropping to the null category? What's he done specifically?
Well, I thought conversion was roleplaying me and I even said so in thread - that was most of the basis for my original thought process on why the nuke wasn't real. Maybe I was wrong in my original deduction but I don't see why that really matters at the end of the day? Unless you think that I couldn't have come to that conclusion.
Dandel is just completely null and I get that the role is confusing but, honestly, if that's all people have then I really don't think that's going to cut it for lynching someone.
Yamato was somewhat solve-y early but has since dropped off - he doesn't really give a shit about the gamestate stuff iirc and is just voting wave because he claimed scum, and I know he can be way smarter than that.
I'm not sold on him being scum from n0 so it may not mean anything at all, which is unbelievably annoying, but I guess that's just kind of how things are right now.
As far as Wave goes, I think that asking him to out his scum QT members might be a bit much considering the whole game would be at stake from his perspective. I agree that it isn't pro-town, but if you think this isn't real, why do you care? He probably isn't going to tell you until he's confirmed back to his original alignment anyway.
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SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol
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I'm fairly sure this is where I make my stand today so like I said, you guys can feel free to do what you'd like, I won't be around to stop you or even attempt to. It would probably annoy me too much anyway.
I'm not sure I'm right but it feels good and I'm happy with it.
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I legitimately hate it when people just go and claim my stuff without my consent.
If this gamestate is real I am going to flip your omelette.
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As for others, yams town, I hope jat/HF are town because it could still go either way. Town is certainly more likely at this point.
I'd look toward the people who just haven't done much tbh here, Shocckey, Slam, GB, it's all more or less a crapshoot. I agree that the wagon on me looks good because none of them have jumped on but I truly don['t think that's indicative here---partially because I know otherwise but partially because none of them have had to do much of anything. They haven't been forced to throw a vote or grilled in any way, so they haven't had to commit, which is I think more damning than bandwagoning at this point.
Oh also Conversion town.
I hope
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