EPT[M][T] Personality Mafia: Mini Edition - Page 3
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I would also lynch conversion. I wanted to lynch JAT but he posted and I'm not caught up Will read and post concise thoughts before I go to hed | ||
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where are your reads? | ||
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Pushing a lynch on claimed 3p is likewise pretty stupid. This game is very all over the place. | ||
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On January 11 2021 06:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Imagine doing anything to play the game but when you don't, blame things on people who did Oh yams, never change Weekends are bad times. I've been way more exhausted than usual. I'll play more tonight tho I promise | ||
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I am going to type a lot in this post. I don't currently have the luxury of "interacting" with people so there's a lot I need to process, and the best way for me to do that is to write it out. I'd like to establish my thoughts on most of the claims made in the game, all of the actual roles used on Day 1, and obviously my analysis of how the lynch happened and what that says about players' alignments. I'm sure at this point in the game there is likely enough to go on that I should have a few decent townreads and at least one confident scumread. Lastly, before I get to my reread and my reactions to things that have happened in my general absence, I want to clarify some of the statements I have made previously in my brief and direct filter. I obviously thought Wave was mafia early on based on his N0 posting (very fluff, mostly about setup and whining that people weren't playing like him) and his start to D1 where he concluded that a no lynch was the most viable path forward and took some amount of convincing otherwise. Then he scumclaimed, albeit for an instance of this game that doesn't necessarily apply anymore. However, I do not see the town motivation to scumclaiming in Dandel's game. My current read (before I read D1) is that Wave is playing to disrupt useful discussion and generally be unhelpful in actually forming a cohesive idea about the game and finding a good lynch, which I obviously think is a mafia motivated playstyle. He could also just be "playing around", but that is a convenient excuse for scumWave to fall back on/ Likewise, Conversion's playstyle has only served to create chaos and disrupt the thread. His multiple fakeclaims and his dud of a nuke on myself helped nothing. If he has reads I don't know them, and I stand by my statement saying and I would nuke him. Being a troll and mafia are not mutually exclusive, as it turns out. I didn't like JAT's early posting but as I stated earlier in my filter, I have not caught up on how he has played in some time. I liked Vivax' posting and thought process, and I obviously believe his claim, which makes me heavily question HF and his counterclaim. I hope some light was shed on this conundrum in my absence. Now, obviously we all know GB is town now, and I am not here to simply say "I told you so", even though I already did. My initial thought about his lynch, again, having not caught up, is that it might have been a bandwagon led by a strong mafia player given a weak town presence in pushing a lynch. Some of the blame for that inevitably falls at my feet for largely ignoring the game, as Wave pointed out, but nonetheless I feel as if there was some malfeasance going on there. That said, I will not simply call the first person to vote GB mafia without at least attempting to understand how the lynch actually happened, these are just my thoughts as someone who saw a person he thought was fairly town get lynched. Now, TO READ On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think conversion is me. I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was. I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think. This post sticks out to me as another stinker. I think a Vivax lynch is inherently scum favored and obviously a no lynch is as well. Obi goes to the shit pile for me. This is also a tangent that I find appalling. Slam's push of an impossible lynch on Dandel for a flimsy reasoning about the use of his role is something that I think any town player would quickly and rightly ignore. Hopefully Slam realizes his mistake at some point. My gut reaction to this is "then find some fucking mafia instead of no-lynching and claiming scum". I usually don't mind survival plays but I also really don't like how hard Wave is working to not have scumreads up to this point in the game. On January 10 2021 02:00 Vivax wrote: Filter here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafia?user=Vivax However Gubby suggested it before you, coincidentially I've been thinking he's scum for awhile. Going back in time, I wonder if this is the impetus for the GB lynch? It's not bad reasoning IMO if that's what people sheep off of since I think this heuristic is somewhat useful but GB also has reads outside of wanting to lynch Vivax, which I think is an important corollary to the concept. A mafia "hunting" 3p is one thing, a townie not believing a 3p claim is another. GB is not what one might call an optimal player given that he began the game with a scumread on me. Alas, this is an aside. On January 10 2021 07:14 Holyflare wrote: GB is mafia btw really obvious HF's dismissively brief posting like this irks me, and especially here as a train is forming on Wave that HF himself has at least egged on. On January 10 2021 07:25 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, not unlikely I'd say. His appearance today was not very inspiring. On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Wouldn't surprise me either at this point tbh. It's also quite frustrating that this gets sheeped immediately by two other people for apparently no reason. On January 10 2021 12:01 Holyflare wrote: You just kind of exist. Your actually like rolling mafia and so not voting Dandel for host is against the spirit of your alignment. You drew alignment conclusions on people based on Dandel's words but didn't think that Dandel could be mafia and other people know what his role does because they are mafia. You jumped to them being town (Obi). You have had little to no interaction with me, something like one post. You're not interested in solving the slots. You throw away voted Dandel at the start of the day instead of literally anyone you mafia read. Even now that people are voting Wave you've had little interest in even commenting on it. I disagree with a lot of this post and I can feel things turning against GB here, especially given his simultaneous decision to push a lynch on Vivax. On January 10 2021 12:02 Holyflare wrote: And now you're voting a guy that claimed 3P with a role that is directly countered by someone else in this game and would possibly remove themselves from the game after this night. Truly this is a confusing post tho. If HF counterclaims Vivax in rolename, why does he not want to see him lynched? That's a question I hope gets answered. On January 10 2021 13:21 Alakaslam wrote: Which, is why I am not pushing it anymore. Was trying to keep up RP but holy shit if it wasn’t actually super effective... I guess Slam did realize his mistake? But he couldn't switch his vote for RP reasons... not in love with that, but it sounds like something he would do. On January 10 2021 17:03 WaveofShadow wrote: They're sprinkled about. Not too many yet Don't spout buzzwords at me though you know I'm right. You didn't like my posting? I trolled and you jumped on like 5min into the game. Don't pretend like you have anything even remotely substantial. Do something useful yourself and maybe I'll do the same Wave clearly doesn't actually think I'm mafia but he's somehow using my activity as a defense of his own lack of reads when I definitely had more posted reads than him in a fraction of the filter? Good lord. On January 11 2021 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote: You are the worst. I love you but, just the worst. Lynch me or don't. I've found scum and was happy again with this game until you came back Putting down my phone Wave's 1 actual read is a meta read that Obi is mafia and he literally refuses to play the game despite other people trying to push decent ideas on him. In the last few pages Conversion made a decent case (I hate to admit) on TickTock that HF echoed and I really wish the lynch had gone in that direction. Wave's excuse for not voting him is his interactivity, but I think that a lot of his posts are seemingly rhetorical questions to get people to reiterate what they've already said in their posts. I also agree with Conversion's suspicion of Shockey, fwiw. So maybe my fake murderer is JUST a troll and not actually mafia himself. That said, I would expect a town GB lynch to include some mafia on the wagon SO we'll see. On January 11 2021 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: As for others, yams town, I hope jat/HF are town because it could still go either way. Town is certainly more likely at this point. I'd look toward the people who just haven't done much tbh here, Shocckey, Slam, GB, it's all more or less a crapshoot. I agree that the wagon on me looks good because none of them have jumped on but I truly don['t think that's indicative here---partially because I know otherwise but partially because none of them have had to do much of anything. They haven't been forced to throw a vote or grilled in any way, so they haven't had to commit, which is I think more damning than bandwagoning at this point. Oh also Conversion town. I hope This post of Wave's I actually like. First one this game I like, and his reads are somewhat close to mine. I still don't think JAT is all that townie up to this point and I would be much less suspicious of GB but the rest of it is ok. His scumread of Obi, tho, is not something I really want to dissect. Seems like a huge waste of time. If Obi's mafia it's not because he made a weird post in a QT. On January 11 2021 03:42 Holyflare wrote:  ##vote Glowingbear On January 11 2021 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Dude doesn't care what's happening. On January 11 2021 03:43 justanothertownie wrote: I could get behind that too. On January 11 2021 03:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm down. A literal 1 for 1 recreation of the earlier posting pattern that actually morphs into a real train on GB. I sort of have to believe there's mafia here, and right as of this moment it feels like JAT. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear I can consolidate on a null read. Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real Or maybe this is the mafia. Together with Vivax these are all the votes on GB I believe, and we can expect On January 11 2021 05:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: LMFAO?? What does this even mean?... I knew GB wasn’t mafia, you’re the first to vote for him, then claim I’m mafia. You must be mafia with conversion. I would not be upset if Shockey dies. This likely also means that HF's "counterclaim" of Vivax was fake. Idk why he did this but at this point it's not nearly enough to make me suspicious of HF. Most of N1's posting is largely irrelevant. Eversince's absence is concerning but not wholly damning. The tone of Eversince's posts is townish. Otherwise I see Shockey being mafia and TickTock analysis Dandel's role (which I think a mafia would really want to do) That said, Dandel really needs to do something besides discuss his own game at this point. It is not material to the actual game we are playing now. Effectively, he removed himself from the lynch for a day and had some memey flavor. Ha ha. Time to find mafia. I agree with general thread sentiment on TickTock and Shockey. I trust JAT much less than most people however. Wave is probably bad town. HF is probably town but if there's a sneaky mafia it's him. Conversion is probably town. Obi is town-ish for me but I strongly dislike how easily he sheeped onto GB. I trust Vivax' claim. I don't think it's worth trying to lynch him for some time. If I had to guess about Slam's alignment this game I would say town but really who knows. I think that's just about everyone in the game. This read took me a little over an hour. I don't think I'll be around too long to respond to anything but this should be sufficient to explain my current thought processes and how I view the game going forward. I think there's a strong possibility that a good town cohesion forms from this post and we lynch the sus people. I don't really want to post this at night since mafia could easily choose to shoot me after this but they might already or Obi could have KP and wish to kill me SO here you go. | ||
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He seems to be falling in line with thread sentiment a lot without much of his own apparent thought process. His post-sheep work justifying a vote on Wave is unconvincing in particular. His lack of reasoning behind a GB vote is even more frustrating. I see him cite meta reasons at one point, a point of contention that I did not think was a driving factor behind the case on GB. Right now my top 3 scumreads are Shockey, TickTock, and JAT, and the common denominator to me is how they acted around the GB vote. Shockey's voting makes no sense if he's town, and Ticktock/JAT sheeped a bit too willingly for my tastes. | ||
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On January 10 2021 20:22 justanothertownie wrote: I would be interested in that reason right now. The conversion stuff also does not really convince me. The fakenuke on yamato was a decent choice for example. I also really, strongly dislike this line of reasoning. I said exactly why I believe otherwise already, and this reads like a fabricated reason to townread someone that you already know is town. I also believe he doesn't elaborate much on this point. Why is fakenuking me at that point in the game a pro-town move? If anything it sidetracked me at a point in time where I was actually interested in the game. Later he posts this: On January 11 2021 02:12 justanothertownie wrote: I obviously knew my nuke was a dud, which is also why I assume conversion knew that about his. I just didn't want Wave to be able to hide behind a claimed 3p. I also still think we should not lynch Vivax since his claim seemed genuine to me. If we are ever in doubt we can still kill him and if there are actual town KP he also wouldn't be a terrible shot but for now he is not a priority to me. I agree in principle with his reasoning for faking a nuke on Vivax but I disagree with its equivalence to faking a nuke on me. I think JAT obviously had a similar role (maybe a copycat role, even, but that is idle speculation) and used his in a way he believes is pro town, but I do not think that he could really think that Conversion's nuke on me was pro town, especially given that he said it was a bad nuke if it was real. The difference is not that large in effect. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:58 Eversince wrote: If my ENTIRE ROLE DID NOTHING BUT SEW CHAOS I WOULDN'T FUCKING USE IT! Christ. I didn't mean to channel my inner Rayn. But if Dandel can steal the host I can steal somebody to RP that fits my mood enough I no longer RP. yeah but dandel would | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:21 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't really think Wave is mafia for that. But that's because contrary to you I think he is a dick. I don't even think it matters if he thought the game was real, he wanted it not to be and was willing to risk modkilling his entire squad for that selfish desire. At least that was my take, didn't read d1 super closely. That would mean Wave didn't want to be mafia, an assertion I disagree with | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:29 Holyflare wrote: You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game. I mean, it looked like exactly what I said it was all along, and lo and behold I was right. There's a world where Wave began the day thinking not lynching Hapa was super important to make him not mafia and then realized that Dandel's game was a farce and decided to claim scum in it after telling his "scum buddies". None of that means he isn't town. It does not require one to have extra knowledge to make this play. It's not a good case. | ||
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