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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 16 2021 01:10 GMT
#2861
On January 15 2021 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 22:07 ghostofconversion wrote:
I don't think TT is ever mafia with that claim, JAT. eversince was under no pressure whatsoever and if they were both mafia he could have told her to just stop in a QT

Eversince wasn't but TT certainly was. It is possible that he is mafia and she is town.


But I was clearly trying NOT to claim and only did so that Ever could stop and be useful.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 16 2021 01:17 GMT
#2862
On January 15 2021 22:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Dandel was quite clearly the safest lynch. If obi is town this game is over I think. I don't have many reasons to think he is mafia except for pure poe. And it could also be you.


Yeah so here you are slowly spinning up that narrative where I‘m not 3p.

If you‘re mafia here you just went all in and wouldn‘t survive an Obi red flip.


My only issue with Jat being mafia is that I don't think he is mafia with Dandel. Jat tried to push off Sho and onto Dandel yesterday.

If we are in a world where Dandel is not mafia then Slam is mafia and you are almost for sure mafia kus I don't believe in a world with multiple 3P for my sanity.

Also why would scum!Jat care about the lynch at all then if it's TvT.

And to fully shut this thought dow. Since I am out of time, no way does this world exist because then scum!Vivax just dueled Obi to save 3P Dandel.
I can take that responsibility.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 01:21 GMT
#2863
On January 16 2021 09:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 09:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 16 2021 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wait I havent given this a ton of thought.

Is this MYLO now? Do we have to lynch Vivax?


Yes and yes.

On a scale of one to mad
How mad be

If u swing by the neck newayz


I would be
perturbed
miffed
agitated
vexed
irate
cross
displeased
irked
and quite frankly aggrieved.

I was under the impression that this game hinged on my survival here based on how things turned out so dying for lulz would be a sad time.
Retired.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 01:32 GMT
#2864
It's simple really. It's a matter of mindset (Obis) to figure out he's scum. If you are town and have a sufficient amount of brains it should be obvious that I am what I claim to be. I really went into this game starting N0 knowing that with my role my best play is to admit I'm 3p. I didn't sneak around that at all and first thing I did is promise I'd claim.

Let's say you're Obi. If you're town, my alignment should be relevant to you before it gets this far. You know that if you get dueled, town loses no matter what, if conversion dies.

Before I dueled him, he should have done everything in his power to sway me, knowing that if he couldn't convince me, town would lose. And after the duel, he should know that town lost.

Instead he outed himself because he did what scum does in this situation: He needs to convince town that I'm not third party, and start playing for real. From a mindset where he's town and I'm third party, which I believe he claimed to have (or at least behaved accordingly because I don't remember him gunning for me ever previously) before I became a threat to him, he should be somewhat...mad? I just doomed town to a loss after all.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 01:36 GMT
#2865
There's also this Dandel confirmed mafia idea floating around which I can't get my head behind at all. Everyone's acting as if Slams claim is 100 % legit and I don't know how that idea planted itself into your minds. If you look at Dandel's behaviour, I don't think he comes across as scummy and legit had fun with the game and wrote so much to a point where it's dangerous for scum to do.

Dandel just isn't conscientious at all about his own play so it's just too hard for me to picture him being mafia here.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 01:38 GMT
#2866
On January 16 2021 10:32 Vivax wrote:
It's simple really. It's a matter of mindset (Obis) to figure out he's scum. If you are town and have a sufficient amount of brains it should be obvious that I am what I claim to be. I really went into this game starting N0 knowing that with my role my best play is to admit I'm 3p. I didn't sneak around that at all and first thing I did is promise I'd claim.

Let's say you're Obi. If you're town, my alignment should be relevant to you before it gets this far. You know that if you get dueled, town loses no matter what, if conversion dies.

Before I dueled him, he should have done everything in his power to sway me, knowing that if he couldn't convince me, town would lose. And after the duel, he should know that town lost.

Instead he outed himself because he did what scum does in this situation: He needs to convince town that I'm not third party, and start playing for real. From a mindset where he's town and I'm third party, which I believe he claimed to have (or at least behaved accordingly because I don't remember him gunning for me ever previously) before I became a threat to him, he should be somewhat...mad? I just doomed town to a loss after all.


"Blah blah blah I made an objectively bad play and that makes Obi mafia because I went and stuffed my head into a toaster."

You did this off of one post from n0 and said I didn't sway you based off of that, not even acknowledging that confirmed mafia would be spared thanks to your objectively bad play.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 01:45 GMT
#2867
There are so many holes in that logic that I can't even.
I wanted you day 1 and mostly left you alone because other people said you were a bad lynch.
I started questioning your existence again on day 3 because shockeyy got lynched and obviously he wasn't mafia, so I needed to rethink things.
I don't see anywhere you've even pointed out where any of this was unnatural other than the fact that I was less concerned about a 3p rather than other people I legitimately thought were mafia.
There is simply no way you make a play this blatantly antitown as 3p so you are pretty much confirmed mafia.

And that's not even getting into your dandel read, which is ignoring the fact that he lied about KP and has proceeded to do absolutely nothing even after being red checked which you have completely written off for no discernable reason. "He isn't conscientious" is such nonsense. What, he isn't trying to post well on purpose?
Retired.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 16 2021 01:49 GMT
#2868
On January 16 2021 10:36 Vivax wrote:
There's also this Dandel confirmed mafia idea floating around which I can't get my head behind at all. Everyone's acting as if Slams claim is 100 % legit and I don't know how that idea planted itself into your minds. If you look at Dandel's behaviour, I don't think he comes across as scummy and legit had fun with the game and wrote so much to a point where it's dangerous for scum to do.

Dandel just isn't conscientious at all about his own play so it's just too hard for me to picture him being mafia here.

That's not true, I've played with him as scum quite a bit.
I agree he's not confirmed scum but I still think it was less risky than you going at obi for all of the reasons you're seeing now.

Nobody in the world would have voted for you over dandel, and that's why this looks so bad for you.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 16 2021 01:50 GMT
#2869
On January 16 2021 10:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 10:32 Vivax wrote:
It's simple really. It's a matter of mindset (Obis) to figure out he's scum. If you are town and have a sufficient amount of brains it should be obvious that I am what I claim to be. I really went into this game starting N0 knowing that with my role my best play is to admit I'm 3p. I didn't sneak around that at all and first thing I did is promise I'd claim.

Let's say you're Obi. If you're town, my alignment should be relevant to you before it gets this far. You know that if you get dueled, town loses no matter what, if conversion dies.

Before I dueled him, he should have done everything in his power to sway me, knowing that if he couldn't convince me, town would lose. And after the duel, he should know that town lost.

Instead he outed himself because he did what scum does in this situation: He needs to convince town that I'm not third party, and start playing for real. From a mindset where he's town and I'm third party, which I believe he claimed to have (or at least behaved accordingly because I don't remember him gunning for me ever previously) before I became a threat to him, he should be somewhat...mad? I just doomed town to a loss after all.


"Blah blah blah I made an objectively bad play and that makes Obi mafia because I went and stuffed my head into a toaster."

You did this off of one post from n0 and said I didn't sway you based off of that, not even acknowledging that confirmed mafia would be spared thanks to your objectively bad play.

Holy shit there have already been a few posts that have made me laugh out this game but this one got me GUD
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 02:20 GMT
#2870
My role is selfish, I can't just stay alive and win with the town. I also can't win if town loses now, and town can't win either way if Obi is town and I'm 3p.

So if the town wants to self-own when Obi is scum, vote me. If mafia wants to troll, fuck off. I've devoted enough attention to this phase. If Obi is town, then gg? But then he shouldn't give a shit either, but he does.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 02:24 GMT
#2871
On January 16 2021 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There are so many holes in that logic that I can't even.
I wanted you day 1 and mostly left you alone because other people said you were a bad lynch.
I started questioning your existence again on day 3 because shockeyy got lynched and obviously he wasn't mafia, so I needed to rethink things.
I don't see anywhere you've even pointed out where any of this was unnatural other than the fact that I was less concerned about a 3p rather than other people I legitimately thought were mafia.
There is simply no way you make a play this blatantly antitown as 3p so you are pretty much confirmed mafia.

And that's not even getting into your dandel read, which is ignoring the fact that he lied about KP and has proceeded to do absolutely nothing even after being red checked which you have completely written off for no discernable reason. "He isn't conscientious" is such nonsense. What, he isn't trying to post well on purpose?


Don't make me laugh.

On January 11 2021 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF - I realized conversion was roleplaying as me, and I don't think anyone would yolo nuke with a real nuke for a nonexistent reason so really the only conclusion to draw was that it was fake.

I also think lynching Vivax is fine if you think the current gamestate isn't real.

I also don't really have a read on dandel either way and I'm not sure why you think otherwise? Like the case on him is objectively bad (that his role makes him mafia) but he really hasn't done anything at all and I'm not sure why that warrants a vote or how people are drawing more conclusions based on that.

I also feel like you should have responded to my post about wave being mafia from n0 before using it as a point simply because I don't feel like your reasoning regarding that has been fleshed out enough, if at all? Even if you think he was, I don't agree with it and would like reasoning as to why.

As for yamato, I actually think he's dropping towards the null category at this point but with the game being the way it is currently, I'm not really sure that even matters.

Honestly I think I mapped out my play today pretty accurately and stand by it. It's not a great strategy per se, but I feel like most of the important stuff happened n0 and most of today is going to be a wash thanks to dandel, and scumhunting based on a few lines early is going to be nigh impossible.


On January 11 2021 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I actually just realized I missed a vivax post and thought he claimed 3p this cycle, and claimed scum last cycle.
So ignore my points on him that was just a mistake on my end.


This guy can't even keep his story straight because he goes back in his own filter but only reads the first post to say he wanted to lynch me then forgets to read the next post.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 02:36 GMT
#2872
On January 16 2021 11:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There are so many holes in that logic that I can't even.
I wanted you day 1 and mostly left you alone because other people said you were a bad lynch.
I started questioning your existence again on day 3 because shockeyy got lynched and obviously he wasn't mafia, so I needed to rethink things.
I don't see anywhere you've even pointed out where any of this was unnatural other than the fact that I was less concerned about a 3p rather than other people I legitimately thought were mafia.
There is simply no way you make a play this blatantly antitown as 3p so you are pretty much confirmed mafia.

And that's not even getting into your dandel read, which is ignoring the fact that he lied about KP and has proceeded to do absolutely nothing even after being red checked which you have completely written off for no discernable reason. "He isn't conscientious" is such nonsense. What, he isn't trying to post well on purpose?


Don't make me laugh.

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2021 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF - I realized conversion was roleplaying as me, and I don't think anyone would yolo nuke with a real nuke for a nonexistent reason so really the only conclusion to draw was that it was fake.

I also think lynching Vivax is fine if you think the current gamestate isn't real.

I also don't really have a read on dandel either way and I'm not sure why you think otherwise? Like the case on him is objectively bad (that his role makes him mafia) but he really hasn't done anything at all and I'm not sure why that warrants a vote or how people are drawing more conclusions based on that.

I also feel like you should have responded to my post about wave being mafia from n0 before using it as a point simply because I don't feel like your reasoning regarding that has been fleshed out enough, if at all? Even if you think he was, I don't agree with it and would like reasoning as to why.

As for yamato, I actually think he's dropping towards the null category at this point but with the game being the way it is currently, I'm not really sure that even matters.

Honestly I think I mapped out my play today pretty accurately and stand by it. It's not a great strategy per se, but I feel like most of the important stuff happened n0 and most of today is going to be a wash thanks to dandel, and scumhunting based on a few lines early is going to be nigh impossible.


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2021 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I actually just realized I missed a vivax post and thought he claimed 3p this cycle, and claimed scum last cycle.
So ignore my points on him that was just a mistake on my end.


This guy can't even keep his story straight because he goes back in his own filter but only reads the first post to say he wanted to lynch me then forgets to read the next post.


/shrug
Claiming I thought you claimed scum and then reneging that read because you didn't, then opting to make a lynch I thought was sort of okay based on both cycles when the gamestate was unclear never meant that I thought that

Plus, I was still under the impression that I may have been scum based on my dandel role pm as opposed to the one I received from Hapa so I didn't really know what to do.

Not really all that confusing when you think about it. Nor do I see what's weird about it.

Nice try though - have to reach for something at this point. I think you really backed yourself into a corner and were hoping to ride thread sentiment to a safe victory and I don't think you were really expecting me to do anything other than roll over and die. If you were somehow 3p I think you would have coordinated and planned better but that simply hasn't happened in the slightest.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 02:40 GMT
#2873
I actually just realized that I cut off my own first sentence. Let me pedit that -

On January 16 2021 11:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Claiming I thought you claimed scum and then reneging that read because you didn't, then opting to make a lynch I thought was sort of okay based on both cycles when the gamestate was unclear never meant that I thought that you were town or even that I thought you were a bad lynch in the real Hapa game - merely that you were the safest option at a time where I had no idea what to do because I received confliction role PMs based on me misreading something.


Should be better now.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 02:42 GMT
#2874
**conflicting.
Another edit.
I actually didn't see anything in the OP that said if I can or can't pedit like that so if I broke a rule or something, my bad. I haven't played here in years.
Retired.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 16 2021 02:42 GMT
#2875
On January 15 2021 22:19 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 22:16 ghostofconversion wrote:
why I bothered to vote is beyond me but at this point I believe it's obi/jat/dandel

I'm also being removed in 7 hours AMA


Disagree on Dandel, but one at a time.
Still think ur nuke is a dud.


This post gave me modivation to open Vivax's filter and see if he seemed to think this before the duel as well, but that was inconclusive.

I did reread these though
On January 15 2021 10:32 Vivax wrote:
I think Ever, Slam, Obi are all mafia tbh. But I'm probably going to duel Obi.

On January 15 2021 11:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 15 2021 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uh
Slam I don't know what you got out of that
But I didn't find a patter

Spell it out for me?

Obi immediately talks about dayphase speculation in a TMI way. As town, why should he think ONLY dandel is why there is a N0???

Because SOMEHOW, he knows SCUM is not the reason!


But you said Dandel is 100 % mafia no?

So why are you judging Obi from a point of view where Dandel did it as town?

Also TMI ;>

I think in reaction to Dandel's claim, mafia obviously played it safe and was reluctant to give a vote. Town either yolo voted because fun was more important or grew suspicious of the claim because that's what town does, HF also asked for more info.

Mafia on the other hand was more passive/careful, asked an irrelevant question (Slam), didn't commit (Obi), or did other stuff (Jat?Conv?Ever?).


Which to me doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but I could see this being Vivax's legit thinking here. Clearly though It has to be either Vivax/Dandel/+1 here or Vivax is 3P.

I also liked these
On January 15 2021 17:05 Vivax wrote:
If Obi is town, this is me:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


In the meantime:
How did you guess what Eversinces personality was? Can't remember any SlamSlang in that filter.

On January 15 2021 19:59 Vivax wrote:
There's peeps doubting my claimed ability so I felt like I had to use it.

I'm your captain now and I'll go down with the ship if Obi isn't scum.

Right after using the duel ability.

These really read like Vivax isn't sure, not like he is pushing Obi because he Needs Obi to die today for the win.
I can take that responsibility.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 02:46 GMT
#2876
Before I dueled him, Slam said he retracted his TR on him, Wave was touting how bad his posts were, JAT was nowhere to be seen.

Of those, Slam then ended up being on me, which somehow doesn't bother anyone.

So I'm really pissed that this is harder than it should be.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 02:48 GMT
#2877
Because I might as well have done nothing, now I have to do shit because some of you are assholes.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
January 16 2021 02:52 GMT
#2878
Namely those that jebait me into using my duel or they don't believe my claim, then when I do it they start pestering me about my alignment.

Big assholes and horrible townies or mafia. Not to be named, go figure them out by yourselves.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
January 16 2021 03:13 GMT
#2879
On January 15 2021 22:28 ghostofconversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 20:27 justanothertownie wrote:
I guess the most likely while still workable world here is that it is Dandel, Obi and a more elusive scummer. One of TT/Wave/Conversion.


I'm never mafia in this scenario fyi so one of TT/Wave

so your team is Dandel/Vivax +1?


After my thoughts on Jat and knowing Conversion did flip green.Plus wave is effectively confirmed, I don't care about some 1% possibility he fake claimed after seeing no shot go through and no counterclaim has happened.

The only possibility left for the +1 is Ever, which would take some low odd possibility that she is GF (Alaka-father?) .

Maybe Jat is both playing like a stick in the mud and bussing his team but meh...

Oh and Slam is clearly not in that team kus that'd be like we have the 3 stooges all trying to both drive the bus and run each other over with said buss. Which while sorta an amazing concept on its own, it too ludacris
I can take that responsibility.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 16 2021 03:20 GMT
#2880
On January 16 2021 11:42 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 22:19 Vivax wrote:
On January 15 2021 22:16 ghostofconversion wrote:
why I bothered to vote is beyond me but at this point I believe it's obi/jat/dandel

I'm also being removed in 7 hours AMA


Disagree on Dandel, but one at a time.
Still think ur nuke is a dud.


This post gave me modivation to open Vivax's filter and see if he seemed to think this before the duel as well, but that was inconclusive.

I did reread these though
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 10:32 Vivax wrote:
I think Ever, Slam, Obi are all mafia tbh. But I'm probably going to duel Obi.

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 11:20 Vivax wrote:
On January 15 2021 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 15 2021 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uh
Slam I don't know what you got out of that
But I didn't find a patter

Spell it out for me?

Obi immediately talks about dayphase speculation in a TMI way. As town, why should he think ONLY dandel is why there is a N0???

Because SOMEHOW, he knows SCUM is not the reason!


But you said Dandel is 100 % mafia no?

So why are you judging Obi from a point of view where Dandel did it as town?

Also TMI ;>

I think in reaction to Dandel's claim, mafia obviously played it safe and was reluctant to give a vote. Town either yolo voted because fun was more important or grew suspicious of the claim because that's what town does, HF also asked for more info.

Mafia on the other hand was more passive/careful, asked an irrelevant question (Slam), didn't commit (Obi), or did other stuff (Jat?Conv?Ever?).


Which to me doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but I could see this being Vivax's legit thinking here. Clearly though It has to be either Vivax/Dandel/+1 here or Vivax is 3P.

I also liked these
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 17:05 Vivax wrote:
If Obi is town, this is me:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


In the meantime:
How did you guess what Eversinces personality was? Can't remember any SlamSlang in that filter.

Show nested quote +
On January 15 2021 19:59 Vivax wrote:
There's peeps doubting my claimed ability so I felt like I had to use it.

I'm your captain now and I'll go down with the ship if Obi isn't scum.

Right after using the duel ability.

These really read like Vivax isn't sure, not like he is pushing Obi because he Needs Obi to die today for the win.


These posts are easily faked as mafia tbh - nothing in there is particularly special or enlightening or exclusively from town.
Btw, if Vivax wasn't sure then he should have waited for people to talk to him about what he was doing.
And none of this really erases the fact that he saved confirmed mafia from today's lynch by doing this.

NEVER FORGET that the reason we're not all enjoying our weekend is because Vivax dueled me instead of letting us put dandel out to pasture.
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