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ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:33 GMT
#2781
? because if my nuke is fake we are not in MYLO?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 15 2021 17:37 GMT
#2782
On January 16 2021 02:29 ghostofconversion wrote:
I mean I can see a world where 3P!Vivax sees 0 votes on Dandel, thinks town is going to waffle and lose the game, rereads the thread and forces a vote between him and his scummiest read, where he does not believe Slam's claim and Dandel is a town player with reverse KP

I don't see a world where M!Vivax decides to use his power before I'm dead and with 24+ hours to go to force a lynch between him and +1. The best use of this power is to do it when I'm dead, and slam it on himself and another person with a smaller amount of time to discuss to try and force a mislynch. M!Vivax, if he's smart, would have waited to confirm my nuke is actually real to see if I get removed from the game, then try to run down the clock with disorganized town to force the MYLO with a smaller amount of time left


I think everyone has written you off as dead already, and I think basing your logic on someone thinking you won't be dead is, uh, not good.

I also get the planning ideas but, really, analyze what he's actually doing rather than the plan behind it because that's the most important part - you can't just side with someone when they're objectively scummy and doing objectively scummy and antitown things "because it's a bad idea as mafia."

The power simply shouldn't have been used and the fact that he just did it without anyone's explicit agreement while saving confirmed mafia on what is essentially mylo should be ringing serious alarm bells.
Retired.
ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:37 GMT
#2783
I don't think I'm being very confusing?

Vivax being mafia means 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Dandel is teammates with him, which Wave points to being a weird team, but let's say it's true for this argument's sake

Mafia sees me nuke myself, assumes my nuke isn't real (even if I am screaming that it is MYLO because it is real). They wait 24 hours, confirms my nuke is real, we are at 5/3 24 hours in because I'm a game ruiner. Vivax then subverts the Dandel lynch, and tries to convince people of someone the thread sentiment thinks is scummy, person gets lynched, Mafia wins due to mislynch

If my nuke is fake, Vivax just traded 1:1 for absolutely no reason since we are no longer at MYLO. If mafia are never assuming my nuke is real, Mafia!Vivax just made a random 1:1 trade for no fucking reason? so it makes even less sense JAT if you're assuming that mafia never believe I'm being serious
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ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:39 GMT
#2784
so explain to me why mafia Vivax ever makes this move if he assumes my nuke is fake?
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 15 2021 17:39 GMT
#2785
Honestly I think the onus is on you to make the argument that 3p would do the same thing, especially since he would theoretically have even less of a reason to do the thing you're saying he would do.
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ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:40 GMT
#2786
the onus is not on me to do anything I could just AFK and I'll be removed from the game and reading the flames come my way in OBS chat and post game
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ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:42 GMT
#2787
On January 16 2021 02:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I think the onus is on you to make the argument that 3p would do the same thing, especially since he would theoretically have even less of a reason to do the thing you're saying he would do.


why would a 3P!Vivax who wins with town have less of a reason to do the very thing? He's literally going to lose if we lynch Dandel, who he thinks is town and Slam is lying. this post makes 0 sense
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ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:45 GMT
#2788
On January 16 2021 02:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 02:29 ghostofconversion wrote:
I mean I can see a world where 3P!Vivax sees 0 votes on Dandel, thinks town is going to waffle and lose the game, rereads the thread and forces a vote between him and his scummiest read, where he does not believe Slam's claim and Dandel is a town player with reverse KP

I don't see a world where M!Vivax decides to use his power before I'm dead and with 24+ hours to go to force a lynch between him and +1. The best use of this power is to do it when I'm dead, and slam it on himself and another person with a smaller amount of time to discuss to try and force a mislynch. M!Vivax, if he's smart, would have waited to confirm my nuke is actually real to see if I get removed from the game, then try to run down the clock with disorganized town to force the MYLO with a smaller amount of time left


I think everyone has written you off as dead already, and I think basing your logic on someone thinking you won't be dead is, uh, not good.

I also get the planning ideas but, really, analyze what he's actually doing rather than the plan behind it because that's the most important part - you can't just side with someone when they're objectively scummy and doing objectively scummy and antitown things "because it's a bad idea as mafia."

The power simply shouldn't have been used and the fact that he just did it without anyone's explicit agreement while saving confirmed mafia on what is essentially mylo should be ringing serious alarm bells.


why would Mafia ever assume that I'm not trolling with my power as JAT has said?
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 15 2021 17:46 GMT
#2789
On January 16 2021 02:37 ghostofconversion wrote:
I don't think I'm being very confusing?

Vivax being mafia means 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Dandel is teammates with him, which Wave points to being a weird team, but let's say it's true for this argument's sake

Mafia sees me nuke myself, assumes my nuke isn't real (even if I am screaming that it is MYLO because it is real). They wait 24 hours, confirms my nuke is real, we are at 5/3 24 hours in because I'm a game ruiner. Vivax then subverts the Dandel lynch, and tries to convince people of someone the thread sentiment thinks is scummy, person gets lynched, Mafia wins due to mislynch

If my nuke is fake, Vivax just traded 1:1 for absolutely no reason since we are no longer at MYLO. If mafia are never assuming my nuke is real, Mafia!Vivax just made a random 1:1 trade for no fucking reason? so it makes even less sense JAT if you're assuming that mafia never believe I'm being serious

First of all if I was mafia I wouldn't believe you for a second. Then going 1vs1 does not mean that Vivax trades since his 3p claim means he has a convenient excuse and we aren't smarter at all after mislynching.
ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:47 GMT
#2790
On January 16 2021 02:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 02:37 ghostofconversion wrote:
I don't think I'm being very confusing?

Vivax being mafia means 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Dandel is teammates with him, which Wave points to being a weird team, but let's say it's true for this argument's sake

Mafia sees me nuke myself, assumes my nuke isn't real (even if I am screaming that it is MYLO because it is real). They wait 24 hours, confirms my nuke is real, we are at 5/3 24 hours in because I'm a game ruiner. Vivax then subverts the Dandel lynch, and tries to convince people of someone the thread sentiment thinks is scummy, person gets lynched, Mafia wins due to mislynch

If my nuke is fake, Vivax just traded 1:1 for absolutely no reason since we are no longer at MYLO. If mafia are never assuming my nuke is real, Mafia!Vivax just made a random 1:1 trade for no fucking reason? so it makes even less sense JAT if you're assuming that mafia never believe I'm being serious

First of all if I was mafia I wouldn't believe you for a second. Then going 1vs1 does not mean that Vivax trades since his 3p claim means he has a convenient excuse and we aren't smarter at all after mislynching.


OK so your situation is that Vivax is going to dodge a policy lynch for taking away Dandel this day cycle, cause of his 3P claim

if my nuke is not real and Vivax took Dandel away and Obi flips town I'd 1000000000000% lynch him D4 no discussion needed
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 15 2021 17:49 GMT
#2791
On January 16 2021 02:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I think the onus is on you to make the argument that 3p would do the same thing, especially since he would theoretically have even less of a reason to do the thing you're saying he would do.

Well 3p Vivax absolutely has the reason to duel since he did not vote on day2 like an idiot (or lost the plot as mafia). He needs the points. The question is though why 3p Vivax does not go for the safest lynch which would have been dandel.
ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:52 GMT
#2792
@Vivax do you believe Dandel is town?
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 15 2021 17:54 GMT
#2793
On January 16 2021 02:52 ghostofconversion wrote:
@Vivax do you believe Dandel is town?

He claimed as much.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 15 2021 17:55 GMT
#2794
But it makes no sense.
ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 17:57 GMT
#2795
he's been pretty anti Dandel scum since early on in the game. whether it makes sense or not who knows
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ghostofconversion
Profile Joined December 2020
227 Posts
January 15 2021 18:28 GMT
#2796
well poe league starts soon and im also nuked soon so

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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 15 2021 18:55 GMT
#2797
On January 16 2021 01:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm aware I may need to claim to live here which is fine - I think Vivax getting lynched is pretty much the most important thing that's going to happen this game and I think the people pushing me (either through PoE or w/e nonsense) need to rethink things.

Like...Vivax saved confirmed scum to duel me based on one post from n0. Why does 3p have a dueling ability? Use your brains.

There's a third scum in this game that I'm having trouble finding and work starts in 15 minutes, so I doubt I'll be able to take a second look until tonight. I guess I have to look into TT again based on that fact and I put that off because I wanted to take his claim at face value.

It’s Wave
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 15 2021 18:56 GMT
#2798
On January 16 2021 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 01:40 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 16 2021 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I was actually sort of under the impression that you killed HF last night but, again, I think that might be because I misread something.
Do you have the ability to redirect actions?

No, to reverse them.

HF tried to create a QT with you, ever, and JAT or yama or I forget who wasnt in it

The result was to create one with EVERYONE ELSE lol

Exactly. His ability is basically confirmed. The only thing that is not 100 % confirmed is that mafia targeted Yamato. But who did they shoot in that case and why did it not go through? Occam says wave probably blocked it.

No... you’re missing something.

HF created KP

WAVE REVERSED IT TO HEAL.

Wave does not create doctor saves, though he may claim to.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 15 2021 18:57 GMT
#2799
On January 16 2021 02:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh wow, 20k posts. Wheeee

Hey! Congrats!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 15 2021 18:57 GMT
#2800
On January 16 2021 03:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2021 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 16 2021 01:40 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 16 2021 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I was actually sort of under the impression that you killed HF last night but, again, I think that might be because I misread something.
Do you have the ability to redirect actions?

No, to reverse them.

HF tried to create a QT with you, ever, and JAT or yama or I forget who wasnt in it

The result was to create one with EVERYONE ELSE lol

Exactly. His ability is basically confirmed. The only thing that is not 100 % confirmed is that mafia targeted Yamato. But who did they shoot in that case and why did it not go through? Occam says wave probably blocked it.

No... you’re missing something.

HF created KP

WAVE REVERSED IT TO HEAL.

Wave does not create doctor saves, though he may claim to.

Yes, and he would have reversed a shot to a save is my assumption.
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