On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works?
You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town.
/shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it.
I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia.
Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort.
@waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that.
But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even.
It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one.
On January 15 2021 12:32 ghostofconversion wrote: eversince i have no beef with anyone this game. just don't call someone selfish when you made a conscious decision to play this game when you don't have time, when i do things to spice the game up. i won't be coming back to tl mafia again after this game, so don't you worry about me being selfish again in the future!
Do you play on Vendetta Strada? I know Rayn is there so maybe not. But I won’t play on mafia universe at all.
On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works?
You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town.
/shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it.
I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia.
Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort.
@waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that.
But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even.
It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one.
Sure, maybe. But do you really think that Slam goes for a 1 for 1 for no real gain there? If he has a second check there, in your mind, where else does he look if he can't get the support for the lynch he wants? Where else would you expect him to look and what else would you be expecting him to do?
I get that there's the concept that there should be skepticism, but what is there to be skeptical of in this case?
I feel like there's so much pointing towards dandel being mafia and a few things pointing to slam not being mafia, and I kinda feel like it's obvious at this point.
I think the only thing I can think of pointing to slam maybe being mafia is flipping a read on me for poor reasoning, but that can't be right from your perspective because you think I'm mafia for the same thing, so ???
On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
I have a soft spot for wave ( and few other old schoolers here) but I'm not buying Wave.
Vivax more likely but no filter so ignore because it's most meta stuff.
I get it, but I'm not mafia and waveu is pretty much the only one left. I also don't really think Jat is mafia.
Is there a particular reason you don't want wave? I'll need more than this I'm afraid.
* re previous post about this *
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On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works?
You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town.
/shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it.
I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia.
Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort.
@waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that.
But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even.
It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one.
Sure, maybe. But do you really think that Slam goes for a 1 for 1 for no real gain there? If he has a second check there, in your mind, where else does he look if he can't get the support for the lynch he wants? Where else would you expect him to look and what else would you be expecting him to do?
I get that there's the concept that there should be skepticism, but what is there to be skeptical of in this case?
I feel like there's so much pointing towards dandel being mafia and a few things pointing to slam not being mafia, and I kinda feel like it's obvious at this point.
I think the only thing I can think of pointing to slam maybe being mafia is flipping a read on me for poor reasoning, but that can't be right from your perspective because you think I'm mafia for the same thing, so ???
What poor reasoning?
You were the first to react to Dandel claiming the election thingy. And you somehow knew he wasn't lying EVEN BEFORE HAPA SAID THE ABILITY HAD BEEN ACTIVATED.
You were so sure it was real that you inferred the only reason for a N0 was his role. But you didn't vote for it asap or accuse him for it because you were unsure what it would make you look like for everyone else, which is your only concern this game.
On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works?
You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town.
/shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it.
I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia.
Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort.
@waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that.
But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even.
It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one.
Sure, maybe. But do you really think that Slam goes for a 1 for 1 for no real gain there? If he has a second check there, in your mind, where else does he look if he can't get the support for the lynch he wants? Where else would you expect him to look and what else would you be expecting him to do?
I get that there's the concept that there should be skepticism, but what is there to be skeptical of in this case?
I feel like there's so much pointing towards dandel being mafia and a few things pointing to slam not being mafia, and I kinda feel like it's obvious at this point.
I think the only thing I can think of pointing to slam maybe being mafia is flipping a read on me for poor reasoning, but that can't be right from your perspective because you think I'm mafia for the same thing, so ???
What poor reasoning?
You were the first to react to Dandel claiming the election thingy. And you somehow knew he wasn't lying EVEN BEFORE HAPA SAID THE ABILITY HAD BEEN ACTIVATED.
You were so sure it was real that you inferred the only reason for a N0 was his role. But you didn't vote for it asap or accuse him for it because you were unsure what it would make you look like for everyone else, which is your only concern this game.
/shrug I don't see what the point of considering him a liar is at that point, nor do I see why it matters? Nor do I see the point of why I can't just take that idea back later?
This is an incredibly mediocre point to push.
I really, really don't think Vivax is 3p here and I think he basically needs this duel to go through because he has no other real options. Vote Vivax pls. :x
While it was an actual work of deductive brilliance. I'd rather not help anyone else rolehunt.
I'll just be cryptic and say HF pointed me in the right direction.
I will gladly take equally cryptic advice on where to explore after getting the Mantis Hook from Mantis Village. I feel like I've explored everywhere but Fog Canyon kus I don't seem to be able to progress in that area yet, but only place my nap isn't filled in.
On January 15 2021 13:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Jat is lylo or Mylo or whatever final lynch if game doesn't end He's PoE lynch because he just hasn't done anything memorable this whole game and fell off real hard
How did I fall off exactly? And from what did I fall?
I am the only one left who actually played the game the entire time. I can tell you right now this poe is off. The TT claim makes things at least a little easier since Eversince should only be mafia if he is also (unless she is a godfather) which puts her way back in the line. Even though I would like to mention that it is only the check that makes her town and not the Mason stuff. They were obviously not confirmed town to each other.
Conversion is most likely town for his play and I seriously hope he did not actually nuke himself. Pretty sure he didn't though.
Wave is also NOT confirmed as everyone seems to just assume. His role is basically confirmed by the qt stuff but we do not know for certain that mafia targeted Yamato n1. It IS likely though. So he is also in the back of the list.
TT has been "meh" for me the whole game. We should not forget that both Yamato and HF wanted to kill him. The claim doesn't really make sense as mafia though. Unless he is mafia with Eversince and this is their gambit to end the game.
Dandel should have been the one to die today (I definitely believe slam over him especially since dandel again changed his claim which is at least one time too many). There is no way around that. But Vivax took this decision from us.
So we will have to decide between Obi and Vivax today. The question is: Is Vivax mafia and did this to end the game with a mislynch? Is Vivax 3p and correctly identified mafia? Is Vivax 3p and goofed by choosing a townie?
Option 3 means we basically lost the game so I will ignore it for now. So it depends on obis alignment and I am historically bad at reading him.
He didn't do much except for appearing when people where talking about him. But as far as I remember that is just how he plays so... Maybe at some point I should do some wagon analysis. I think dandel is most likely mafia and obi did Park his vote on Shockey the whole day, right?
Will have to do more reading later on but my guess right now would be either: Dandel+Obi+wave/conversion or something like vivax+TT+eversince
EPT
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