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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 06:35 GMT
#1961
So I am a potato. From portal 2 you can gather I am glados because my role mentions sarcasm functions.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 06:37 GMT
#1962
Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions.

But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 06:40 GMT
#1963
I am mot told what they are. I also can visit without messing with the corruption counter but considering watchers and the like, I decided not to N0 and then it became clear that doing so was not gonna be worth it period.

Having outed the role though, I should probably start. I can act as an info cop of sorts until I am

Offed? Koshi reminds me nobody has died. Why all the drama then?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 04 2020 06:57 GMT
#1964
Slam... I'm starting to think Jo Jorgensen might not win...
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 07:33 GMT
#1965
On November 04 2020 15:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok may as well hash it out.

I can undo ShoCkeyy’s role. Fortunately I targetted Hapa n0. No one tried to redirect anything from him, or I am the reason he was RB despite whoever else can redirect things.

Once I knew what ShoCkeyy was doing I did not use my power.

Let me read it again and explain what it does. It gets better with corruption but I feel like it is a swing-balance-damage-control role.


Why would you want to “undo” protection?
Life?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 07:33 GMT
#1966
On November 04 2020 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions.

But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities.


Did you “sap” me last night?
Life?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 08:34 GMT
#1967
So basically he claims he can undo busdriving abilities?
Which make you wonder if there are 2 busdrivers in this game.

Or can he also undo things like protection or a copcheck etc? Probably not.


Don't understand how it for some people is so hard to explain their role.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 08:40 GMT
#1968
Let's not forget that we are still 1 - 0.
Now that I slept I really don't understand why previous 2ish days were so panicky.
I understand I was part of the problem.

Shall not happen again. Fun and relaxation only from now on.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 08:44 GMT
#1969
On November 04 2020 17:34 Koshi wrote:
So basically he claims he can undo busdriving abilities?
Which make you wonder if there are 2 busdrivers in this game.

Or can he also undo things like protection or a copcheck etc? Probably not.


Don't understand how it for some people is so hard to explain their role.

All the claims are so weird this game.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 09:04 GMT
#1970
1.Iamperfection: Not mafia.

2. Hapahauli: Not mafia. Bit smug towards rayn but I see it as a townie playing his way and putting rayn down harsher than needed but ok. rayn can take it.

3. Grackaroni: Meh. His play is not outside his mafia range obviously.

4. Onegu: Has been less useful as town in the past. But needs to die with these players.

5. Dirkzor: Not mafia. I think his claim is legit. I think his play is not anti town at all.

6. Acrofales Mafia

7. ShoCkeyy I don't think he is mafia anymore. I don't believe he claimed truthfully, something he is hiding but maybe he hides it for mafia and I was confused due to that.

8. Alakaslam Mafia. Caught him saying 2 things I would expect Town slam to be smarter about.

9. Tictock TTTTT

10. Koshi Not mafia. Potentially great reads. Nailed Acro within his first 3 posts.

11. Raynpelikoneet Not mafia. I don't see his endgame play if mafia. More likely town that wants to make this game more interesting than it actually is.

12. Yamato77 I don't know. I think he is fairly useless and between rayn and yamato I would lynch yamato every time. While rayn is actually working towards something in his madness that I can see him believing in to be pro town. Yamato does not do that at all. He just says I am mafia and refuses to listen to something else it seems for 36 hours. I also quickly rose in his ranks as mafia; making him disregard other people and that just didn't make any sense. Maybe bad townie tunneled to an extreme. Maybe mafia pushing me because I can see mafia not really wanting to shoot me. There are better roles they need to take care of.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 09:07 GMT
#1971
I am genuinely curious about who Yamato will kill.
I came to peace it might be me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 09:11 GMT
#1972
For me it should always be Slam. Simply for the reason I don't know who is mafia between Onegu and Grack yet. If I had to kill somebody now it would be Onegu but not because I think he is more mafia. Just less potentially useful and more likely harmful. His role is not useful to us. I don't want the lynches to stop. Or NKs. There are no NKs anyway lol. It just makes it so mafia can go visit the center and raise the goddamn level. And I don't understand how Onegu doesn't understands that but heyyyyy it's Onegu.

And due to Acro role it can't be Onegu/Grack/Acro. Also doesn't really make sense.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 09:11 GMT
#1973
On November 04 2020 07:02 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

-eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot-


...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 09:14 GMT
#1974
EBWOP:

If I had to kill somebody now between Grack and Onegu it would be Onegu but not beca...


I would kill Slam today. As I said. Million times.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 09:19 GMT
#1975
On November 04 2020 18:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:02 yamato77 wrote:
On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

-eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot-


...

Unless TTTTT is mafia. It is way smart to lynch somebody in our group. But unless he wants to scumclaim our group consists of Slam so I might be somewhat biased.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 09:25 GMT
#1976
As i've said earlier i don't think its clear cut in what group we should lynch. Having info vs. bigger statistical chance of finding scum. So i dont look at that tbh.

What i want is for everoyne who claimed to make a new post that clearly states what powers/ability you claim, when you used them and on who.

Im not asking for you to claim anymore than you already have, but you guys claim over 3-10 posts its not very easy to follow.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 04 2020 09:28 GMT
#1977
Time traveling vigi. Lost gun in first game. If shot revive at start of day, can then sac myself to prevent lynch and all day/night kills for 1 full phase.

N0 Visited database targeting koshi, learned he has a role of a previous game.
n1 no action
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 04 2020 09:29 GMT
#1978
On November 04 2020 15:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I am mot told what they are. I also can visit without messing with the corruption counter but considering watchers and the like, I decided not to N0 and then it became clear that doing so was not gonna be worth it period.

Having outed the role though, I should probably start. I can act as an info cop of sorts until I am

Offed? Koshi reminds me nobody has died. Why all the drama then?



Why is slam afraid of watchers?
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 04 2020 09:30 GMT
#1979
and going on n0 was always worth... more so if he doesnt affect corruption... WTF this makes 0 sense to me...
Try TL Mafia!!!
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 09:44 GMT
#1980
Shockey claim
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 14:29 Tictock wrote:
On October 30 2020 13:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 30 2020 13:46 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so I don't think I have the focus for this game right now. I couldn't sleep last night and tried finish catching up with the game and was freaking out for a bit because I was convinced that rayn had ended the phase 6 hours early. That said I did finish reading and here is where I am at.

It seems like the only really relevant thing right now is night actions and database stuff and the sense I get from the game is that everybody is just doing their own thing.

My understanding that the corruption counter can only go up by 1 per night so I don't really see much issue with many people using the option to check the database as we would go to 2, but 3 is the next threshold for whatever so maybe that's fine.

All I know is that corruption doesn't seem to be relevant to me (nothing seems to have changed with the counter going to 1) and I'm starting to worry about what it might mean for others to get the counter up. I think I still would like to check the corruption but am less sure that's the best thing, especially when rayn is now randomly gung-ho about doing this himself.+ Show Spoiler +
Which I find counter to what rayn was proposing earlier in the game but I will save this for a future post


This leads me to Dirk's role. I really dislike 2 things about his claim, first and formost for me is that his ability pushed us to the next corruption level and potentially changed things. Second is that he says he is a named town yet part of his ability makes him return as 3rd party now.

I was already thinking corruption is related to a 3rd party mechanic due to the way the rules talk about the database.


The TL Mafia Database

The TL Mafia Database is a wealth of information, and has assisted players with their quest for victory in many games. Sadly, it is in a sorry state of disrepair. Weakening security protocols and new technology has enabled greater access, but more serious danger of Aperture Science infiltration. Without proper care, the database will destabilize with disastrous results.

Each night, a player, instead of performing any action they may have, may visit the database and target another player. You will recieve a clue about that player's role or the setup at large. You can choose to learn whether your target has a role that has been in a previous aperture game before, If your target has activated some part of their role, what modifiers, if any, are currently affecting your target, or what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause.

Because your connection to the database is unencrypted, Aperture Science will learn who you have targeted, but not the information you obtain. Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways.

If no players visit the Database, it will continue to destabilize, causing the Corruption Counter to increase by 1. In addition, if too many people (half a majority of players alive - for example, 4 players with 12 players alive) visit the database, the corruption counter will increase by 1. At corruption levels of 1, 3, and 5, a special effect will occur that will modify the game in some way.



This just seems to back that up.

I also noted that Dirk's thinking about how many people to send and attitude about corruption increasing was pretty inconsistent, though I don't feel like filter diving to back that up atm. So I have this sense that he is either playing a bit dumb about the mechanic or is putting out seeds of chaos about it.


So we're on the same page about dirk and his ask for "3" people to enter + protection?


I think so, but it is moreso that I'm having problems understanding his train of thinking regarding how many to send.

Like didn't he talk about sending everybody at one point? Which to me kinda makes sense, kus it would only add one corruption and possible give a bunch of info.

Then later say "only sending 1" is the best way to get info? Which just makes no sense to me, besides being able to confirm that yes they did go... but why wouldn't scum or whoever just go anyways to be like "see I did as told"

Honestly though, I just dont think I get the whole mechanic. Which is why I was wanting to avoid corruption and spend actions checking what it did for now. So my big issue is that we got pushed forward into further unknown territory by dirk's actions.


I disliked the fact that he waited till almost last minute to bring it up instead of talking about it earlier. I get it I guess, but this also means I should just bring up my role and say fuck it.

I’ve got insurance to sell baby.

On October 30 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 14:29 Tictock wrote:
On October 30 2020 13:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 30 2020 13:46 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so I don't think I have the focus for this game right now. I couldn't sleep last night and tried finish catching up with the game and was freaking out for a bit because I was convinced that rayn had ended the phase 6 hours early. That said I did finish reading and here is where I am at.

It seems like the only really relevant thing right now is night actions and database stuff and the sense I get from the game is that everybody is just doing their own thing.

My understanding that the corruption counter can only go up by 1 per night so I don't really see much issue with many people using the option to check the database as we would go to 2, but 3 is the next threshold for whatever so maybe that's fine.

All I know is that corruption doesn't seem to be relevant to me (nothing seems to have changed with the counter going to 1) and I'm starting to worry about what it might mean for others to get the counter up. I think I still would like to check the corruption but am less sure that's the best thing, especially when rayn is now randomly gung-ho about doing this himself.+ Show Spoiler +
Which I find counter to what rayn was proposing earlier in the game but I will save this for a future post


This leads me to Dirk's role. I really dislike 2 things about his claim, first and formost for me is that his ability pushed us to the next corruption level and potentially changed things. Second is that he says he is a named town yet part of his ability makes him return as 3rd party now.

I was already thinking corruption is related to a 3rd party mechanic due to the way the rules talk about the database.


The TL Mafia Database

The TL Mafia Database is a wealth of information, and has assisted players with their quest for victory in many games. Sadly, it is in a sorry state of disrepair. Weakening security protocols and new technology has enabled greater access, but more serious danger of Aperture Science infiltration. Without proper care, the database will destabilize with disastrous results.

Each night, a player, instead of performing any action they may have, may visit the database and target another player. You will recieve a clue about that player's role or the setup at large. You can choose to learn whether your target has a role that has been in a previous aperture game before, If your target has activated some part of their role, what modifiers, if any, are currently affecting your target, or what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause.

Because your connection to the database is unencrypted, Aperture Science will learn who you have targeted, but not the information you obtain. Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways.

If no players visit the Database, it will continue to destabilize, causing the Corruption Counter to increase by 1. In addition, if too many people (half a majority of players alive - for example, 4 players with 12 players alive) visit the database, the corruption counter will increase by 1. At corruption levels of 1, 3, and 5, a special effect will occur that will modify the game in some way.



This just seems to back that up.

I also noted that Dirk's thinking about how many people to send and attitude about corruption increasing was pretty inconsistent, though I don't feel like filter diving to back that up atm. So I have this sense that he is either playing a bit dumb about the mechanic or is putting out seeds of chaos about it.


So we're on the same page about dirk and his ask for "3" people to enter + protection?


I think so, but it is moreso that I'm having problems understanding his train of thinking regarding how many to send.

Like didn't he talk about sending everybody at one point? Which to me kinda makes sense, kus it would only add one corruption and possible give a bunch of info.

Then later say "only sending 1" is the best way to get info? Which just makes no sense to me, besides being able to confirm that yes they did go... but why wouldn't scum or whoever just go anyways to be like "see I did as told"

Honestly though, I just dont think I get the whole mechanic. Which is why I was wanting to avoid corruption and spend actions checking what it did for now. So my big issue is that we got pushed forward into further unknown territory by dirk's actions.


I disliked the fact that he waited till almost last minute to bring it up instead of talking about it earlier. I get it I guess, but this also means I should just bring up my role and say fuck it.

I’ve got insurance to sell baby.

On October 30 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 15:05 yamato77 wrote:
Shockey if you're town you should at least explain something about your role at this point.


I sell insurance, you know, protection.

On October 31 2020 03:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I didn't fake claim btw, my role is just more than protection FYI. Thanks for straight up letting me know you're mafia

On October 31 2020 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:18 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Shockeyy

1) Did you visit the TL Mafia Database last night?
2) Please describe the "trap" that you set for Acro.

@ Acro

1) Your posting suggests that your town read on Grack is strong enough that you wouldn't consider lynching him today. This appears to be based on the "speed" by which he volunteered to go to the Database. Is this true?
2) Today, you state that Onegu is a "blank void". Yesterday, you stated to the effect that I should shoot him because he's a scummy void. What changed your mind?


I already answered 1) No, I didn't because then I'd have to give up my action, which I was just baiting, however, the bigger trap was revealing my actual role, which is An Insurance Commercial. I give protection to those who are willing to pay, but there's more to it that I'm not willing to reveal. But by revealing I'm the protector, it forced mafia KP on me, which obviously backfired and Acro is trying to now claim I'm mafia when he was surprised I didn't die

On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance.

On October 31 2020 03:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:55 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance.


Wait what? Your role protects and redirect. Makes no sense really. If someone shoots the one you protected they would shoot you. You are claiming you can protect self and target and also bus drive? Seems super convoluted.

Anyway i think we lynch acro or shockey now.

Im leaning acro for now but im at dinner with friend and only glanced quickly. Well check again to tomrrow.


Why is that a problem? It completely makes sense that I can do so. I'm the all powerful insurance of USA. And yes, if they shoot the person I'm protecting, I'll get shot... That's obvious from my claim, and how iamperfection and I switched places.

Hmmm.... I personally thought you claim post was good, but you know, after seeing that KP get stronger for mafia, and you willing to increase corruption points, I'm starting to think you're mafia.


Slams claim:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2020 10:18 Alakaslam wrote:
I am the potato glados. Corruption helps me get info. I was probably an insurance against mafia advancing corruption too quickly early on as I get info and powers at 3 and 5. Because before wheatley, I WAS aperture science.

I’ll read my PM better. My role is more or less useless but why waste the lynch or time on me, especially if the last player is strong (which I am starting to think is the case) and I can at least get info or force them to shoot me instead of a stronger player.

On November 04 2020 15:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok may as well hash it out.

I can undo ShoCkeyy’s role. Fortunately I targetted Hapa n0. No one tried to redirect anything from him, or I am the reason he was RB despite whoever else can redirect things.

Once I knew what ShoCkeyy was doing I did not use my power.

Let me read it again and explain what it does. It gets better with corruption but I feel like it is a swing-balance-damage-control role.

On November 04 2020 15:35 Alakaslam wrote:
So I am a potato. From portal 2 you can gather I am glados because my role mentions sarcasm functions.

On November 04 2020 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions.

But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities.

On November 04 2020 15:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I am mot told what they are. I also can visit without messing with the corruption counter but considering watchers and the like, I decided not to N0 and then it became clear that doing so was not gonna be worth it period.

Having outed the role though, I should probably start. I can act as an info cop of sorts until I am

Offed? Koshi reminds me nobody has died. Why all the drama then?


I dont have time to find more claims. But these 2 was the hardest for me to follow. Will find more later if i have time.

This is just for future reference btw and im not going anywhere with this.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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