EPT[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 9
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On April 05 2020 18:56 Vivax wrote: BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum. Also scummy af. Nah, i take my positions and don't fully bother explaining my reasons until I believe I need/have to because it lets me get reactions to better filter my reads. Also, care to post any reads? I mean there is more than enough content for you to have preliminary reads on most of us at this point. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa? You legitimately pulled out posts from other threads as why you have a meta read (or thats how I took it anyway) IE you brought out personal experience as to have the read you do. By just saying "this is how people should play" and then them not doing that and saying they are scum is very different from "this is how x plays as town, this is how they play as scum and I see them acting more like their scum play" | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's not true tbh. How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:11 Vivax wrote: How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong. Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change). Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'd like to hear why you scumread me though? I am pretty sure the reason is something there is nothing i can do about but still. If you're town don't get bothered too much by it. It's probably not a reason I can lynch you for anyway, and I'd like not to tell you how to play it better if you're mafia for now  I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day. And if you're mafia you need to tell me postgame if that scumslip early was fake or not lol. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: why did you originally vote for hapa? Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet. My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:20 Vivax wrote: I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day. Well i can already tell you i will be voting for Hapa unless something drasiclly changes. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change). Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though. Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games. I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote: Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games. I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does. Why I say slither I mean it in a way that you don't have to explain yourself. Reads change all the time but by forcing people to state an opinion either way they have to give a reason why it changes. You are right I like more committal type of games. I find them easier to win as town. | ||
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Vivax, BC, Jock. I think Vivax is town for the amount of effort he is putting into the game. Sure you can argue what BC is arguing atm but i dont think that's a good metric for reading Vivax. He makes paranoid reads at times and doesn't explain things properly at times but that doesn't mean anything. I don't think Vivax would put this much effort into the game in a way that actually contributes to the game if he was mafia (like last game he was mafia in he was fucking more interested in talking stock prices than mafia....), i also don't think he would attack me like he has if he was mafia because if that's the case i can easily counter-argue the points purely by my activity (see what i said about his earlier) and he is likely to get lynched, even on D1. That's like... not a good play for him. I like BC's case on Hapa. It's a very very good case, easily the best at this point of the game. I don't hate his Trfel read while i am not sure if it's right or wrong. I don't think Vivax is right on what he said about BC because yes BC, while it CAN look like you're doing what Vivax said, i don't think that's the case here. You randomly or "randomly" voted for hapa -> just to "add on to your "case"" later, you "had your eye" on Trfel -> just to scumread him later. You cannot completely dismiss the fact that for some person what you are doing can look like you're latching onto a scumread just to support it with reasoning later. May it be wrong but it's not necessarily scummy to point that out, especially for someone like Vivax. But well, my opinion is that BC is focusing on decent points, in a decent way, (aside from scumreading Vivax) and i think that most likely makes him town. I already told why i am townreading Jock so anyone can read it from my post here. I disagree with Vivax on his assessment that the discussion he had with Trfel looks scummy, i know i felt the same way Vivax did before jock made the post in my link to my read on him. I just don't see why jock makes that post because if jock is mafia and trfel is town the narrative is to bury trfel for a (bad) case (like Vivax seems to think?), therefore letting go of it for some bullshit reason (like jock did) doesn't make any sense at all. In fact it should give more fuel to his case instead of making him reconsider, i think jock is good enough player as mafia to see that. The only small small bad feeling i have about that conversation from jock's side is that i have a nagging feeling the convo didnt necessarily end in a natural way. I know there is a chance of that since i have been playing mafia in a team with him and we created an argument between ourselves. I know, however, that there is a townie way to explain that too so i am not too bothered by that atm. I am just going to say that there is never a world where jock is mafia and trfel is town. Those are my townreads atm. One of the reasons i am writing this post is because i feel like the "town circle" i have atm is arguing with each other for meaningless things rather than what matters and that's how you usually lose a game. So: - Vivax, let go of everything on BC atm and just see what he posted about hapa. Why don't you agree with that) Is it just because you think BC (or me) might be mafia? Can you look at the things posted on hapa objectively and not let your "what if" feelings disturb it? - BC, can you read Vivax' posts and at least try to understand where he is coming from? I think his assessment of your play is reasonable for a townie, right or wrong, and i think he has posted reads which is something you are complaining about rn. Just because they are not laid out clearly in the first place doesn't mean he doesn't have them, because that's what people do, i know because i do that a shitton myself just to see if people are actually paying attention to what they read or not. He has given his reads now, can you go and look if those reads make sense in comparison to what he has said in thread and reassess your position on him? I dont know what to think of Shockeyy and Trfel. I see the points for shockeyy being mafia, i just need more info to make a decision because i dont see anything damning in them and it is still early. I see the points for and against Trfel, but as i said i don't know what it makes him, as again, it's still early. Rels hasn't posted so nothing to say there. I think hapa is mafia for what's been said. That's pretty much it. I also think there is a quite high chance Chezinu is the other mafia, the reasoning is kinda stupid and i wish he figures out what i mean  Also that's something i need to look more into when he posts more. I'd like to hear though why he is voting for Jock. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax... | ||
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On April 05 2020 20:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax... Yeah it looked like you were townreading both of us on P1. But it's not something I'm gonna harp on anyway, brought it up because you 'slithered' away from a potential scumslip and it was an example for something BC says he pays attention to. | ||
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On April 05 2020 17:22 Chezinu wrote: ##vote Jockmcplop Consequences The D1 revenge bus? Could it be one? | ||
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what about the other stuff i said? | ||
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