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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 09:10 GMT
#141
In short, if hapa thinks shockeyy is mafia why does he feel the need to ask trfel a dumb question like that? if he doesn't think shockeyy is mafia, what's the point of anything he has posted? There is a more efficient way of getting people to talk about your scumread, aka vote for them, and Hapa knows that 100% certain.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 09:11 GMT
#142
On April 05 2020 18:09 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.

What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?

Use your imagination, especially when going on VIDEO.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
April 05 2020 09:15 GMT
#143
Fair enough, could use more Hapa in here anyway.
But I still don't think the way Jock went after Trfel was townie.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 09:18 GMT
#144
On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Lean scum
Vivax



I am confused.


On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.


That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 09:18 GMT
#145
On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly


hmm...

i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.


This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 09:20 GMT
#146
BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 09:22 GMT
#147
On April 05 2020 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly


hmm...

i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.


This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.


TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
April 05 2020 09:22 GMT
#148
On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Lean scum
Vivax



I am confused.


Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.


That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour


It's a dumb question. It answers itself just by me playing the game. Sorry if I didn't adress it signed, sealed and waxed to his majesty the bloodygobbler. Wtf dude?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 09:23 GMT
#149
On April 05 2020 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC i don't really think there is much chance of Vivax being mafia.


Its why I have him as a scum lean. Play I dislike / view as bad (not saying it is the wrong way to play just that i dont like it) makes me lower you down until you do something that stands out. I am merely waiting for it. He has been more active since my original read, but he still needs to give real content to the thread.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 09:26 GMT
#150
On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly


hmm...

i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.


This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.


TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.


That's not an unreasonable read to have. I personally am not sure if it makes Trfel mafia or not. Which is why i am asking him where he has gotten this narrative. I don't think you can just take a random statement on how people play and generally apply it to all people and Trfel should be good enough player to know that.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
April 05 2020 09:29 GMT
#151
On April 05 2020 18:09 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.

What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?

He cares not for attempted sororicide, only for choice of clothes.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
April 05 2020 09:33 GMT
#152
On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Lean scum
Vivax



I am confused.


Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.


That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour


Oh ok I get it. I guess I just read his tone and eagerness as townish..
RIP Meatloaf <3
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 09:35 GMT
#153
On April 05 2020 18:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 18:09 Chezinu wrote:
On April 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dear child of mine, this is you dad speaking! Change your clothes to something more appropriate right now! You are currently a disgust to the family.

What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you?

He cares not for attempted sororicide, only for choice of clothes.


The kids are pricks. Trying to mooch off our hard work while giving nothing back. We won't be able to work forever. They need to be able to provide for their aging parents.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
April 05 2020 09:53 GMT
#154
On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly


hmm...

i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.


This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.


TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.



Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
April 05 2020 09:54 GMT
#155
This is going to be a hard game, too much scummy stuff from too many people that can't all be mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
April 05 2020 09:56 GMT
#156
BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum.
Also scummy af.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 10:00 GMT
#157
Well that's not true tbh.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 10:01 GMT
#158
BC can you elaborate on how your read on Trfel formed, like fully throughout the game, with using a lot of words.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 10:03 GMT
#159
On April 05 2020 18:53 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 05 2020 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly


hmm...

i quite like this logic even if I don't agree.


This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol.


TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm.



Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia?


What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?

Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff.
If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 10:05 GMT
#160
On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?

Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa?
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