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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9443 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way. Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: You're greatly misrepresenting my play.Wow does everyone see something off with rayn? I don't see it. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads. Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make. But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point. Furthermore, how do you conclude that those two things were the most important things in the thread to me? It's true those were the two things I brought up at that time, however I questioned and investigated several other things before that point. Those were the two things I found interesting between posts #83 and #93, but given that those are only nine posts, I find that quite reasonable. Please help me understand where you are coming from because right now I'm not seeing it. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Wow does everyone see something off with rayn? I don't see it. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote: What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh. havent played with him in ages tbh. my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 05 2020 13:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: I appreciate you answering, thank you.It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least. Do you have any players you are suspicious of at this point? And if not, what do you think of my "case" on raynpelikoneet? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote: What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh. I think I did a great job. Hopefully Cobbler does too, glad to see him play after so many years. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: havent played with him in ages tbh. my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it. Hey :D | ||
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Vivax
21931 Posts
Feels like you are just coexisting. Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9443 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote: You're greatly misrepresenting my play. I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads. I'm not trying to misrepresent you. I'm explaining how I see your entrance. The reason I originally brought this up was that I don't see how rayn seeming to imply that you are scum, then imply that you are town is alignment indicative for rayn. The fact that you think this makes rayn suspicious seems like the wrong reaction to someone's implying that they might have a read on you. Maybe defensive is the wrong word. Its like you feel like you need to react to someone mentioning you or implying that they have a thought about you. On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote: Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make. Hard disagree. I pointed out here: On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote: It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. that I was questioning how you turned rayn's implication of a possible read on you into an alignment thing for rayn. That is a logic issue, not an alignment issue. When you then immediately jumped on my wording I started thinking about your alignment and motivation. But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point. Ah ok i thought you were asking Vivax about his town read on you. Just out of curiosity why don't you care about Vivax's townreading you? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9443 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think I did a great job. Hopefully Cobbler does too, glad to see him play after so many years. lol As long as you're happy with it I suppose that's the most important thing  | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9443 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. Noted. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting. Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. Not yet, it’s still the beginning. Have a whole other day to start giving a good idea of leads. I want to see or have more interactions with others. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9443 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting. Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. Just curious why do you think Trfel is town here? Do you have anything on anybody else yourself? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well). I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset. That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly  | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On April 05 2020 15:05 Jockmcplop wrote: I wasn't watching the last game. He's very different already? Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9443 Posts
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote: On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay. I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well). I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset. That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly hmm... i quite like this logic even if I don't agree. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 05 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look. Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why  So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Bloodyc0bbler Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop Null Chezinu Rayn Rels Lean scum Vivax Scum Trfel Hapa | ||
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