[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 6

On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.

Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm

On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.




Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.

On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.




Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.

On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote:


What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.

On April 05 2020 13:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:


It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.

On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote:


What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.

On April 05 2020 14:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


havent played with him in ages tbh.

my memory from the ol days aint what it used to be. I want more from him atm but thats about it.

On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote:
You're greatly misrepresenting my play.

I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads.

On April 05 2020 14:34 Trfel wrote:
Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make.

On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:

It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.

But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point.

On April 05 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I think I did a great job. Hopefully Cobbler does too, glad to see him play after so many years.

On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.

On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.

On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.

Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory.

On April 05 2020 15:05 Jockmcplop wrote:


I wasn't watching the last game.
He's very different already?

On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay.

I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well).

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.

That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly

On April 05 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.