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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 19:32 GMT
#221
Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.

What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 05 2020 19:41 GMT
#222
Are you calling him bad, or are you calling him mafia?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 19:42 GMT
#223
Yes
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 05 2020 19:56 GMT
#224
How and why are you slight-town-reading Shockeyy? Are you still?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 05 2020 20:06 GMT
#225
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.

ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.

Here I will update my lists for you

Town
Bloodyc0bbler

Lean Town
Rayn
Vivax

Null
Rels
Shockeyy
Chezinu

Lean scum
Jock
trfel

Scum
Hapa



There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 05 2020 20:17 GMT
#226
On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.

...


What does "jarring" mean to BloodyCobbler? Does he not meet your criteria of posting a bunch of stuff without saying anything?

"People I had scum reads focusing him" isn't an accurate depiction of the state of the thread at the time you made the read. I had not called Shockey scum. I do not see where Trefel called him mafia. Vivax made a one-off comment about him but has talked about virtually every player in the game.

Your whole Shockey read feels very bullshitty.

a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 05 2020 21:11 GMT
#227
My last post was a bit confusing. EBWOP.

...

What does "jarring" mean to you (BloodyCobbler)? Does Shockey not meet your criteria of posting a bunch of stuff without saying anything?

...
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 05 2020 23:44 GMT
#228
lol, clueless in The Prism!
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 06 2020 04:29 GMT
#229
Sorry guys I’ve had a really shitty migraine all day. I’m going to catch up on the past 6 pages. Vivax I recall a question from you, in all honesty I did read it but I was dead tired so I didn’t realize. I think I was just trying to get more details out of you.
Life?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 04:42 GMT
#230
I'm here, going to reread the thread. Let me know if anyone wants to discuss anything, especially as we have a deadline in just 12 hours 18 minutes...
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 06 2020 05:18 GMT
#231
MOM!!!

What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 05:18 GMT
#232
On April 06 2020 14:18 Chezinu wrote:
MOM!!!

What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today!
Hi Chez

If you had to throw someone in the pool in a little less than 12 hours, do you have anyone you would choose?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 06 2020 05:20 GMT
#233
On April 06 2020 14:18 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 14:18 Chezinu wrote:
MOM!!!

What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today!
Hi Chez

If you had to throw someone in the pool in a little less than 12 hours, do you have anyone you would choose?

You know the pool is green right now...

oh.. I guess you didn't watch my cooking show. If you did, you would know.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 05:24 GMT
#234
On April 06 2020 14:20 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2020 14:18 Trfel wrote:
On April 06 2020 14:18 Chezinu wrote:
MOM!!!

What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today!
Hi Chez

If you had to throw someone in the pool in a little less than 12 hours, do you have anyone you would choose?

You know the pool is green right now...

oh.. I guess you didn't watch my cooking show. If you did, you would know.
My apologies, I've been pretty busy lately, I have not yet watched the video

I surrender to the intellectual superiority of the Chez.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 05:58 GMT
#235
Notes
+ Show Spoiler +

ShoCkeyy
Seems very interested in how towny he looks. Feels suspicious, but maybe this is just how he plays. Check meta as town to confirm or deny this. Note: checked meta from last game, didn't see any similar statements but I'm still not very confident in this reason to suspect ShoCkeyy. Interested to see where he goes from here.

BloodyC0bbler
Why does he say I am overly defensive here? I only tried to understand Jockmcplop's read, not disagree. However Jockmcplop also thought this way, so perhaps it's more up to interpretation than I thought.

Jockmcplop
Something still feels wrong about our conversation yesterday but it's probably just me making something out of nothing. I can't confidently say why it was off, and if Jockmcplop is mafia, there should be better reasons why.
On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.

Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.

Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.

I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.

Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.

Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:

haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.

Rels Nothing.

Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.

Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.

So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Some things feel off to me about this post. First, he says he's not willing to lynch Chezinu because he can't read him, but he is willing to lynch Rels, who has made zero posts. I'd understand this more if he said that the reason was that Chezinu was fun, but he said that the reason was that he couldn't read him. It's a minor detail but it makes me a bit suspicious. I also don't like him suddenly agreeing with the Hapahauli read, he didn't mention it at all earlier and then suddenly agrees after raynpelikoneet makes a big post.

Q/A
On April 05 2020 17:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:
Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise.

So how do i approach the game normally?
Honestly I've no idea.

On April 05 2020 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have just spent time trying to figure out what Shockeyys posting means and i don't really see that. Sure you can be right or then not, but i can't tell if he is mafia or not. I think cobbler is right on Hapa though, i thought about the same thing instantly when i saw Hapa's two first posts.
@raynpelikoneet and/or BloodyC0bbler: Can you please help me understand why you are scumreading Hapahauli? You said that it feels like he was just posting to post and wasn't going anywhere with his questions. I don't disagree, however you made these statements when Hapahauli's last post was on the bottom of page 4, giving him only two and a half pages of content to work with. At that time, we were talking about flavor and voting randomly. I just don't get what you expect from Hapahauli this early into the game.

@Jockmcplop: What was it in particular that made you suspicious of Hapahauli?

@ShoCkeyy: I assume you'll see this while you are catching up on the thread, but if not, just a reminder:
On April 05 2020 15:16 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 15:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.


On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote:
So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet.
Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.


INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?

@Vivax, you too?

It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.

Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.



Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.


Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.


I wasn't watching the last game.
He's very different already?


Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look.
Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 06:23 GMT
#236
Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning

Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know

##vote Jockmcplop

May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 06:30 GMT
#237
Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?

When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?

Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 06 2020 06:57 GMT
#238
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 06 2020 07:30 GMT
#239
Day 1 - HOLY GUARDIANS CPT. 2
Votes


Jockmcplop: (4) Chezinu, Hapahauli, Vivax, Trfel
Hapahauli: (2) BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, raynpelikoneet
ShoCkeyy: (1) Vivax, Jockmcplop
BloodyC0bbler: (0) Vivax Trfel
raynpelikoneet: (0) Vivax
Trfel: (0) Jockmcplop




Not Voting:
Rels ShoCkeyy

Jockmcplop is set to die with 4 votes

until End of Day
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 07:51 GMT
#240
I have nothing new to say about hapa. He's still mafia, esp with the read on BC.
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