EPT[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 14
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Vivax
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On April 06 2020 20:53 Vivax wrote: Jock what are the things Cobbler thinks similarly to you? His early scumreads of trfel and hapa were the main features of his early play and i felt the same for the similar reasons. If he wasn't agreeing with what i saying he was saying what i was thinking. I did disagree about his read on you and pulled him up on it but his explanation made sense. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him? He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that. The question he asked to shockeyy at the start of the game also looks random af to be honest, especially with no follow up. It looks like he wants to get shockeyy talking, but he hates that i have a pressure vote on shockeyy later. Hap, when you asked shockeyy what his mafia experience is is that because you wanted him to make some posts in the thread to help you read him? Do you have a read on him now? If so, what it is, if not, why are you lynching me for voting for shockeyy? | ||
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Trfel
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If Rels is town, his modkill costs us a lynch. If we mislynch and Rels is modkilled, it's 4v2 MYLO which is far from ideal. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On April 06 2020 21:11 Trfel wrote: Actually it might be better to vote Rels over ShoCkeyy. If Rels is town, his modkill costs us a lynch. If we mislynch and Rels is modkilled, it's 4v2 MYLO which is far from ideal. If you are struggling for scumreads elsewhere then yeah that's a good idea. For me though i'm getting this tinfoily feeling about hap/shockeyy and it would probably bug me voting elsewhere. | ||
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Vivax
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This game was filled really quickly so he can't argue that he just forgot about it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Jockmcplop
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On April 06 2020 22:05 Hapahauli wrote: Lurkedy-lurk-lurk. I'm just going to get some food but if you could answer this it would be appreciated: On April 06 2020 21:06 Jockmcplop wrote: The question he asked to shockeyy at the start of the game also looks random af to be honest, especially with no follow up. It looks like he wants to get shockeyy talking, but he hates that i have a pressure vote on shockeyy later. Hap, when you asked shockeyy what his mafia experience is is that because you wanted him to make some posts in the thread to help you read him? Do you have a read on him now? If so, what it is, if not, why are you lynching me for voting for shockeyy? | ||
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Hapahauli
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Jockmcplop
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Vivax
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On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game? Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have. There's plenty of fluff to go around in this game and it's a textbook algorithm from old meta where everyone was super tryhard. That's why I have a hard time placing BC between 'bad' and scum. Don't want to call it bad because he might just be a tad rusty and less used to shitpost mafia where tonereads are more useful. But then again he also says Trfel is trying to post it on his own to look like he's contributing when really he is just answering to Jock, which is just misrepresentation. | ||
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Vivax
21989 Posts
On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him? He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that. I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing. He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 06 2020 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote: This post triggers me massively. I have spent the entire game trying to get both trfel and shockeyy talking. That, and talking to rayn, is basically all I have done. I have been directly interacting with trfel for basically the entire game and my vote on shockeyy is an attempt to get him talking. Scumreading people and picking out the faults in their posts is a fantastic way to get them talking and it generally works (it worked well with trfel). This looks like hapa just grasping at straws trying to find 'original' ways to verbalise his convenient scum read of me. ------- I'm getting less scummy feelings about trfel as the game goes on. He just feels more townie than he did at the beginning of the game. I haven't thought about my current read on BC. Give me a 10 minutes i'll look through his filter. The point you made about his algorithmic view is interesting though, it explains why he was so angry at my posting, I have no idea how you are supposed to play this game I just play it and do what i feel. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On April 06 2020 22:45 Vivax wrote: I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing. He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him? ehh... maybe I just look at how hap has interacted/referred to shockeyy and it gives me the chills. Hap refusing to answer my question above absolutely sucks and his answer to that would have helped me read him so i'm taking his refusal to answer as a sign that he is mafia. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Town Bloodyc0bbler Leaning town Shockeyy Jockmcplop Null Chezinu Rayn Rels Lean scum Vivax Scum Trfel Hapa On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him. ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read. Here I will update my lists for you Town Bloodyc0bbler Lean Town Rayn Vivax Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu Lean scum Jock trfel Scum Hapa There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =) I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though. He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads? The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean. Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
On April 06 2020 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said Vivax wasn't explaining his reads until he did, and his position changed on the list after that. Yeah that checks out. BC still a townread for me then. | ||
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GlowingBear
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Day 1 - HOLY GUARDIANS CPT. 2 Votes Jockmcplop: (4) Chezinu, Hapahauli, Vivax, Trfel Hapahauli: (3) BloodyC0bbler, ShoCkeyy: (0) BloodyC0bbler: (0) raynpelikoneet: (0) Trfel: (0) Not Voting: Rels ShoCkeyy Jockmcplop is set to die with 4 votes until End of Day | ||
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GlowingBear
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