EPT[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 15
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ShoCkeyy
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raynpelikoneet
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On April 05 2020 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up? Did anyone ever read this post? I think it shows (amongst other things that have happened since) Hapa's scum mindset. He asks Trfel a generic question about shockeyys alignment early on in the game. Turns out he doesn't even have a read on either of those people. He just considers them lynchbaits. What on earth is asking one lynchbait about another lynchbait (not to even say asking the one who actually IS posting about the one who isn't) is ever gonna do in terms of helping you figure out anything in the game? Then he moves on towards Jock who he scumreads for being indecisive in his reads, arguing with his scumread (Trfel) and for him not voting for Hapa. - Townies are often indecisive especially early on in their reads, that doesn't really tell anything about Jock's alignment unless you have some specific proof to show to prove that is not the case with Jock - Townies tend to argue with their scumreads, because noone mostly is going to just roll over and die and that will lead to an argument, naturally - Why is Jock not voting for Hapa scummy (without further expalnation) for Hapa, when the only (without further explanation) legit explanation for Jock to be mafia because of this is if Hapa is mafia? That shouldn't be the case for him, unless he of course assumes he himself is mafia.... Like, none of these points actually should make jock mafia for hapa. I am not saying they can't be a reason for jock to be mafia but hapa has simply no interest in actually figuring shit out, all that is just surface level shit imo. In the same breath i would ask why this indecisiveness is scummy for jock but not for trfel, who "tickled his senses" and is probably 10x more indecisive (has been even in this game) than any other players combined (worth to note here is that hapa doesn't know either of the players so i think it's reasonable to say they should be judged equally by him)? Jock acts indecisive, super duper mafia! Trfel acts super indecisive, "the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot"??????? Another point against him not looking deeper than the surface. Then the read on BC. Sure i might be wrong but in my opinion this is one of the most towniest start of the games i have ever seen BC playing in my life. That was the first thing there that raised even more red flags on hapa for me. (And please do not go on asking me why does this apply to hapa but not vivax -- it's because vivax is not hapa). BC is mafia because he put shockeyy in his town pile. Why the hell would mafia!BC ever put shockeyy in his town pile at this point of the game (especially since Hapa doesn't even think shockeyy is mafia with BC, that might have been one explanation -- but shockeyy is not mafia, jock is)? Even if BC was mafai with shockeyy that still doesn't make any sense at all. Basically he took a read from BC that doesn't make any sense from any alignment pov, and painted it scummy. And no, i don't think the question he asked from BC is him figuring things out. People figure things out first, then make decisions. Once again, another point against him not looking deeper than the surface. So yeah that's pretty much it. I could lynch shockeyy too. Those are the people i am basically willing to lynch today, i have no idea why trfel is even voting for jock tbh. And i dont think jock is mafia. | ||
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Vivax
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On April 06 2020 23:03 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though. He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads? The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean. Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea. I know that he is absent, complained about your posts like they were super scummy without saying which or what is scummy about them and still ended up voting on the Hapa wagon. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything. Anyways back to reading. | ||
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Vivax
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On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa? To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything. Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. | ||
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Hapahauli
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote: Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On April 07 2020 01:08 Hapahauli wrote: Confirmed skirting-by. can you at least try if you're not mafia? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 06 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote: Notes + Show Spoiler + ShoCkeyy Seems very interested in how towny he looks. Feels suspicious, but maybe this is just how he plays. Check meta as town to confirm or deny this. Note: checked meta from last game, didn't see any similar statements but I'm still not very confident in this reason to suspect ShoCkeyy. Interested to see where he goes from here. BloodyC0bbler Why does he say I am overly defensive here? I only tried to understand Jockmcplop's read, not disagree. However Jockmcplop also thought this way, so perhaps it's more up to interpretation than I thought. Jockmcplop Something still feels wrong about our conversation yesterday but it's probably just me making something out of nothing. I can't confidently say why it was off, and if Jockmcplop is mafia, there should be better reasons why. On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Some things feel off to me about this post. First, he says he's not willing to lynch Chezinu because he can't read him, but he is willing to lynch Rels, who has made zero posts. I'd understand this more if he said that the reason was that Chezinu was fun, but he said that the reason was that he couldn't read him. It's a minor detail but it makes me a bit suspicious. I also don't like him suddenly agreeing with the Hapahauli read, he didn't mention it at all earlier and then suddenly agrees after raynpelikoneet makes a big post.So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez. Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though. Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town. I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot. Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive. Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first: haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched. Rels Nothing. Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does. Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town. So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment. Q/AHonestly I've no idea. @raynpelikoneet and/or BloodyC0bbler: Can you please help me understand why you are scumreading Hapahauli? You said that it feels like he was just posting to post and wasn't going anywhere with his questions. I don't disagree, however you made these statements when Hapahauli's last post was on the bottom of page 4, giving him only two and a half pages of content to work with. At that time, we were talking about flavor and voting randomly. I just don't get what you expect from Hapahauli this early into the game. @Jockmcplop: What was it in particular that made you suspicious of Hapahauli? @ShoCkeyy: I assume you'll see this while you are catching up on the thread, but if not, just a reminder: I'm characterizing you by your last game into this game. It wasn't anything bad, just trying to reason with you and why you're town. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On April 07 2020 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you at least try if you're not mafia? Negative. | ||
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Vivax
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On April 07 2020 01:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody... Great reason to townread people. You just open filters and whoever has the biggest ones is town. Trfel last game was mafia and he talked about way too much for someone who should have an opinion. If Jock here is mafia and wants the heat off himself of course he has to answer to everybody. | ||
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Vivax
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote: Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you? My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker. | ||
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Vivax
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On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you? My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker. Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it. Who are your top towns? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 07 2020 01:18 Vivax wrote: Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it. Who are your top towns? Dude I asked for a summary as to why we're voting Jock over Hap. I've ready up to page 12 last night, and had to read the other three pages to catch up this morning. I'm not asking for a speed run, I'm asking for legitimate reasons why I should place my vote on Jock, and from what I've seen, and read, Jock has better reason to be town than mafia at this point. Hap literally cased Jock right after rayn and yourself said something about Jock. He didn't even try, just grabbed two of his posts and said this is why. Like how is that "surgical"...? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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ShoCkeyy
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ShoCkeyy
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