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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 10 2019 12:57 GMT
#26
/in
Vivax
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21972 Posts
August 14 2019 14:49 GMT
#53
/confirm
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 16 2019 21:11 GMT
#72
Yo, slam. I'll have to out if it doesn't start before the 20th.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 05:47 GMT
#89
On August 17 2019 14:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ahahaha Vivax you should do that every game slam hosts ^^


Special tactics :>

Are you mafia rayn?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 06:43 GMT
#91
On August 17 2019 14:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Will you play like you did last game FF?

obviously


Why obviously
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 09:07 GMT
#93
On August 17 2019 16:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 15:43 Vivax wrote:
On August 17 2019 14:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 17 2019 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Will you play like you did last game FF?

obviously


Why obviously

I play the same every game; barely read the thread and make tone reads that are maybe a little more accurate than a coinflip, latch onto the reads I do get correct and act as if I'm any good at the game when I never actually got anything done


Well I rather asked why you replied obviously, which somehow implies that you think you are easily readable as town by now.

And given that and thinking a bit about it while writing the post, I think that's rather townie.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 09:08 GMT
#94
Nvm im dumb obviously to yourself. So disregard. I just overthought shit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 16:06 GMT
#106
I am able to skate by as mafia D1 if I make an effort instead of going into scumparalysis and full brain shutdown.

Anyway, we aren't going to get anywhere with just that townread on me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 16:13 GMT
#107
I also have finally figured out how to read HF I think, but it doesn't work right now cause he's basically doing nothing.

Why is Cop asking about my meta? Possibly playing dumb here? I'm pretty sure she had an idea of my meta at some point., although I don't know if I rolled mafia vs her.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 16:38 GMT
#113
On August 18 2019 01:30 CopCake wrote:
Yeah idc about metas because as some of you should (must) know I am not even that active, just wanted to see some reactions since it is pretty dumb to say “this guy is town because he doesnt post that much as mafia” rip.

Also too early to make filters Jock.


That is actually the most accurate way of reading me. If I don't have a game to solve my motivation drops to zilch quickly, I'll usually stare at my blank text box while not sure what to write, since actually I want to write as little as possible knowing I don't win scum marathons.

Were the reactions satisfactory at least?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 16:39 GMT
#114
Where did you hide rayn btw
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 17:12 GMT
#118
IIRC last time I played with cake I misread her scum because some things in her posts just didn't seem to add up. I'm not going to try that approach again.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 17:45 GMT
#123
On August 18 2019 02:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what hanging around elsewhere in TL has anything to do with anyones alignment?


Well I just compared his post history in the general forum to his list of games in the mafia database and there are zero posts when he is playing as mafia and plenty when he's town.
I'm not going to try this with each specific area of tl.net cos I can't be bothered.
Call it bullshit if you want but it makes perfect sense to me. He's eager to play as town and is browsing tl.net while waiting for something to happen in thread, he doesn't do that as mafia.

That's how it seems to me anyway.


Yes you hit the nail on the head. Why the "call it bullshit if you want?" though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 17:46 GMT
#125
I'd like to post a baby seal. It is time that baby seals lose that bad prejudice of being mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 17:49 GMT
#126
Btw rayn tone-wise strikes me as somewhere between scum and superscum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 17:55 GMT
#128
On August 18 2019 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is that?


Because you are scum
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 18:02 GMT
#132
On August 18 2019 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 02:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is that?


Because you are scum

Well youre wrong.


Okay. I was honestly super tempted to keep writing but I wanted to see the reply expecting town rayn to either laugh at the obvious circular reasoning or get mad about it and put me on /ignore. I have to say I'm disappointed not to see that.

Is there any reason you just sound so differently from the last times I saw you playing town? Yes/No would suffice.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 18:03 GMT
#133
On August 18 2019 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 02:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is that?


Because you are scum


Wanna vote him with me? That's my jam recently.


I'd definitely do it if I were mafia. But right now I'd like to just see rayn post more, and you too cause this suggestion was lazy and bad.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 18:06 GMT
#135
I wouldn't mind if you also told a bit about how your new home thingy progressed. I actually wouldn't mind at all if you didn't even talk about mafia, just anything. And sorry to everyone I seem to be super tryharding right now, but it's mostly a sleep deprivation thing leading to this verbal diarrhea today.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 18:57 GMT
#141
On August 18 2019 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who cares jock? Why does cake mske that read as mafia?


What do you mean who cares. It should be obvious to any townie that right now the game is pretty stale, Jock is trying to move it forward cause he feels it too (wildly guessing). This is also mafia-y from you. You don't recognize the game's situation from what I think is a townie point of view and make it all about the content in jocks post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 19:04 GMT
#144
On August 18 2019 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 03:57 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who cares jock? Why does cake mske that read as mafia?


What do you mean who cares. It should be obvious to any townie that right now the game is pretty stale, Jock is trying to move it forward cause he feels it too (wildly guessing). This is also mafia-y from you. You don't recognize the game's situation from what I think is a townie point of view and make it all about the content in jocks post.

No Vivax. It doesnt matter to me because shit reads are shit reads and i think that questioning already will end up in a shit read.

You could argue cake would make that read if she is mafia exactly with hf but i dont thonk thats the case here or at least the current evidence doesnt suggest that in any way. So the other outcome is useless discussion about something irrelevant.


Could you describe mafia cake? You are very confident in your townread, so it should be doable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 19:05 GMT
#145
Please.

And I'm guessing that eywa overslept the start of the game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 19:51 GMT
#155
On August 18 2019 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 03:57 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who cares jock? Why does cake mske that read as mafia?


What do you mean who cares. It should be obvious to any townie that right now the game is pretty stale, Jock is trying to move it forward cause he feels it too (wildly guessing). This is also mafia-y from you. You don't recognize the game's situation from what I think is a townie point of view and make it all about the content in jocks post.

No Vivax. It doesnt matter to me because shit reads are shit reads and i think that questioning already will end up in a shit read.

You could argue cake would make that read if she is mafia exactly with hf but i dont thonk thats the case here or at least the current evidence doesnt suggest that in any way. So the other outcome is useless discussion about something irrelevant.


Why couldn't she do it if HF is town? Is there a cake mafia meta where she hard defends teammates?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:01 GMT
#158
On August 18 2019 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pfft.

Whatever copcake. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks about all this.

To me it looks like everything you are posting is contradictory and nonsensical.


Yep that's how I scumread her when she was town too
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:02 GMT
#159
Although I wouldn't call it nonsensical or contradictory, what you pointed out was hypocrisy about making a big deal out of a townlean.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:12 GMT
#167
On August 18 2019 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 04:51 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:57 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who cares jock? Why does cake mske that read as mafia?


What do you mean who cares. It should be obvious to any townie that right now the game is pretty stale, Jock is trying to move it forward cause he feels it too (wildly guessing). This is also mafia-y from you. You don't recognize the game's situation from what I think is a townie point of view and make it all about the content in jocks post.

No Vivax. It doesnt matter to me because shit reads are shit reads and i think that questioning already will end up in a shit read.

You could argue cake would make that read if she is mafia exactly with hf but i dont thonk thats the case here or at least the current evidence doesnt suggest that in any way. So the other outcome is useless discussion about something irrelevant.


Why couldn't she do it if HF is town? Is there a cake mafia meta where she hard defends teammates?

Would you make that read if youre mafia and hf is town?


I'd be suicidal as mafia if I tried to lynch HF on a D1, which is why it's a wet dream of mine.

To add to the previous post:

Townies tend to be hypocrites all the time. Or at least are more prone to accusing others of things they did themselves. Mafia doesn't think they know how mafia thinks, they just know it.

So they don't get hypocritical if they try to keep the story straight and remember what they posted. When I'm mafia, accusing someone of something I did myself while being conscious about having done it would give me the feeling that I'm leading you straight to myself.

But anyway, I think that, even if the little theory is completely wrong, at most cake's hypocrisy should be treated as null.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:15 GMT
#169
But I really answered that a bit badly rayn:

If I were mafia, I'd not throw an early read at HF like that, most likely. I'd probably only start building a scumread on him if he was looking my way for the lynch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:17 GMT
#170
Unless it's futile which is going to be the case mostly, then I'm better off buddying him and aiming at lynch bait. Which is what cake could be doing. Except for the lynch bait part, but a lot of people haven't posted.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:29 GMT
#174
On August 18 2019 05:22 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 05:17 Vivax wrote:
Unless it's futile which is going to be the case mostly, then I'm better off buddying him and aiming at lynch bait. Which is what cake could be doing. Except for the lynch bait part, but a lot of people haven't posted.


And wouldnt jock be all buddy buddy trying to town read you?

Just a question.



Yes if I didn't townread him already for being helpful at baiting more content and invested in his reads. What makes you think he is faking his suspicion on you?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:35 GMT
#177
Anyway I'm off for today. Going to trust my first impression and a bit on top.

##Vote rayn
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 17 2019 20:42 GMT
#178
On August 18 2019 05:34 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 05:29 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 05:22 CopCake wrote:
On August 18 2019 05:17 Vivax wrote:
Unless it's futile which is going to be the case mostly, then I'm better off buddying him and aiming at lynch bait. Which is what cake could be doing. Except for the lynch bait part, but a lot of people haven't posted.


And wouldnt jock be all buddy buddy trying to town read you?

Just a question.



Yes if I didn't townread him already for being helpful at baiting more content and invested in his reads. What makes you think he is faking his suspicion on you?


Where did I claim he is faking suspicion on me?



I had the impression you two were at it trying to find something to poke the other because of his claim that your read on HF is wrong or scummy, and your claim that it was too early for his read on me. You didn't try to find out what that was about without being suspicious about Jock?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 11:11 GMT
#192
On August 18 2019 16:49 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 05:15 Vivax wrote:
But I really answered that a bit badly rayn:

If I were mafia, I'd not throw an early read at HF like that, most likely. I'd probably only start building a scumread on him if he was looking my way for the lynch.


Ok OJ Simpson


???
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 16:36 GMT
#247
Squishy is town I think. It might look odd with the "if I were mafia" thing is not seen in the context that I was being widely townread. The point anyway was that I didn't want to snap vote rayn just cause HF was trying to tempt me.

So I suppose I'm back to killing rayn.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 16:37 GMT
#248
Or actually I'll reflect upon squishy a bit longer. I'm about to have dinner and have just thought it through quickly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 16:42 GMT
#249
On August 18 2019 23:53 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 22:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 18 2019 19:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Y'all need to start playing some mafia cos I have no idea who needs to get lynched right now. Mafia can just hide if 50% of the players have gone missing.


We can just vote reps for catching up on like 3 pages and posting one off hand comment and leaving again. Easy.


You could. However I just went to bed forty minutes after catching up and making my comment. (I just woke and the first thing I did was check responses).

Psychologically I don’t like Vivax’s “if I were mafia” sentient, seems like OJ Simpson’s “If I did it”. I know Vivax knows that he will not convince us of him being town in D1. I am suspicious of him because he has played that sentiment multiple times now if you read their filter.


What does this mean? That's not at all how I read the game. I've been doing my thing and from the start I was showered with townreads. Sure, if someone made that read, then I commented on its reasoning, like when jock pointed out I was posting in other threads, because it was also a good line of thought that you call playing sentiment.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:41 GMT
#256
On August 19 2019 00:34 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 00:29 Holyflare wrote:
Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that Vivax and I are scummy? Just because we're voting you?

Can you also explain why Vivax and I should interact if we were both town and I have said not to lynch him today either?


Because if you were town, you would want to get a read on each other. Best way to do that is not sitting passive, but quoting a post and getting them to talk.

As far as not voting for each other is that you guys don’t want to lynch a veteran D1. Not that you guys are town reading each other


I complained about HF not posting enough for my liking. Twice iirc.

And you say I don't consider veterans for lynch while I've had my eye on rayn all day. More false facts.

I really don't know what game you are reading. More likely you're just scum tbh.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:43 GMT
#259
HF how could you move squishy to null? He's far from cleared given that his story is just meeeeh , although the initial ingenuity made him seem townie to me too.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:43 GMT
#260
On August 19 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 03:06 Vivax wrote:
I wouldn't mind if you also told a bit about how your new home thingy progressed. I actually wouldn't mind at all if you didn't even talk about mafia, just anything. And sorry to everyone I seem to be super tryharding right now, but it's mostly a sleep deprivation thing leading to this verbal diarrhea today.


Was this directed at me?


I thought it was obvious yes
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:45 GMT
#262
The best is that he says I'm not voting HF because I don't vote veterans on D1, and not because I don't have a scumread on HF.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:48 GMT
#266
On August 19 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:
On August 19 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:06 Vivax wrote:
I wouldn't mind if you also told a bit about how your new home thingy progressed. I actually wouldn't mind at all if you didn't even talk about mafia, just anything. And sorry to everyone I seem to be super tryharding right now, but it's mostly a sleep deprivation thing leading to this verbal diarrhea today.


Was this directed at me?


I thought it was obvious yes


Oh :D

Sorry lol. House move went good, just chilling out! GF's parents came to visit yesterday for her bday. Bought a bike and a digital piano and going climbing a lot so basically just enjoying not having a job for a while.


Sweet. Do you do the climbing where you carry your rope along the route or along fixed rope routes?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:52 GMT
#269
##Vote squishy


Ok guys why is this dude not mafia? His reads are a joke. The first thing he brings up is a combo of HF me and throughout his entire filter I don't see a reason for either of us being standalone scum besides the OJ simpson thing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 17:57 GMT
#271
On August 19 2019 00:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 00:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Any other thoughts squishy?




Rayn is an interesting one. Definitely not on good ground with Vivax and HF from the go. That could mean to things to me town since it’s ballsy or mafia planting seeds of doubt into the veterans


Which one is it? Everyone knows that rayn is town or scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:03 GMT
#273
On August 19 2019 02:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 02:52 Vivax wrote:
##Vote squishy


Ok guys why is this dude not mafia? His reads are a joke. The first thing he brings up is a combo of HF me and throughout his entire filter I don't see a reason for either of us being standalone scum besides the OJ simpson thing.


Shit reads ≠ mafia

He's not in my town pile.


Not caring enough to read properly in a <10 pages game = mafia.

Although then I might as well lynch Chezinu, but at least he didn't pretend to be useful.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:08 GMT
#275
How did he even go from that nothing-saying rayn post to me and HF being scum? It's just two lazy scumreads from him noticing that me and HF attacked rayn from reading his filter only because Jock asked him to produce something.

You know that this guy stops talking as soon as you don't give him enough attention. That's also mafia-y.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:15 GMT
#280
On August 19 2019 03:12 CopCake wrote:
I think is dumb to assume he is mafia for that, like seriously...

"Hello I am squishy and I am going to direct attack vocal veterans because why the fuck not and get all the attention to me"

That is the world you are giving me.


So you townread people for attacking veterans? Must be easy to be mafia against you. If I weren't sure that it's definitely not an argumentation you're going to apply to everyone simply because you wouldn't agree that all mafia go after lynch bait.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:17 GMT
#282
On August 19 2019 03:16 CopCake wrote:
He could also use an afk, but not, he went directly to see the "active" players and try to make something out of it, he could be like the others and be all like "Oh I was busy with irl, I'll be back I am doing this thing in real life".



No because HF called him out and I voted him and he was the most threatened at the time he started posting reads.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:31 GMT
#284
I completely forgot about playing with squishy, I even scumread him correctly on Day 1. His town game by comparison had blander posts.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

Either way, he hasn't done as much this game as in his other two games. He had 3 pages in his town game before being lynched D1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:37 GMT
#286
On August 19 2019 03:19 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 03:15 Vivax wrote:
On August 19 2019 03:12 CopCake wrote:
I think is dumb to assume he is mafia for that, like seriously...

"Hello I am squishy and I am going to direct attack vocal veterans because why the fuck not and get all the attention to me"

That is the world you are giving me.


So you townread people for attacking veterans? Must be easy to be mafia against you. If I weren't sure that it's definitely not an argumentation you're going to apply to everyone simply because you wouldn't agree that all mafia go after lynch bait.


Nah mate, I have said so many times before that I don't care for metas and who I have to attack but my style is not the same as what I have seen so far here "Omg let's not kill veterans because they might be useful later", if you follow meta, you follow those rules no?



Yes I also think that's not a rule to apply to veterans. Sicklucker loves to apply that rule to me, although I imagine he expects it in return. Also, it isn't as common right now as you think. Last D1s I played were rayn and Palmar lynches.

But what does it have to do with you townreading squishy just cause he breaks that meta? You can extend that read to me and HF for rayn. It's just not going to read much correctly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 18:47 GMT
#287
On August 01 2013 02:44 reps)squishy wrote:
I was about to vote RDaneelOlivaw, But people think Umasi and I have a alliance and to assure you I think it's kind of scummy for bandwagoning with me. So I decided ##vote Umasi


Btw this is him voting the mafia that won the game on D1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 19:10 GMT
#290
I'd be suicidal as mafia if I tried to lynch HF on a D1, which is why it's a wet dream of mine.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 19:18 GMT
#291
Again in the context of rayn asking me if I would do it as mafia. So no OJ simpson here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 19:46 GMT
#293
On August 19 2019 04:28 CopCake wrote:
Ok vivax

Give me your town reads


You can have my scumreads: Rayn and squishy
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 19:49 GMT
#294
Imagine someone in the game actually having scumreads.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 20:10 GMT
#296
On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:
[b]@Grackaroni/b]
your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here.
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch.

I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie?


From his scum game. He scum read me even there (when most townread me) and I got killed N1 mind you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 21:48 GMT
#299
Town dead. Don't think we'll meet tomorrow before 8. Is anyone going to propose any lynch besides one of the two afk picked at random? Chez might be more viable since he counts as afk except that he actually knows the game has started.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 22:27 GMT
#301
On August 19 2019 07:26 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 06:48 Vivax wrote:
Town dead. Don't think we'll meet tomorrow before 8. Is anyone going to propose any lynch besides one of the two afk picked at random? Chez might be more viable since he counts as afk except that he actually knows the game has started.

I afk the first 24 hours of Day 1. I'm not as free as I use to be.


Aren't you now? Help me out here if you're town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 18 2019 22:41 GMT
#306
On August 19 2019 07:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 06:48 Vivax wrote:
Town dead. Don't think we'll meet tomorrow before 8. Is anyone going to propose any lynch besides one of the two afk picked at random? Chez might be more viable since he counts as afk except that he actually knows the game has started.


Here's my thinking. Out of the list of afkers, Chezinu has posted what I can only imagine is a trick asking how many mafia players there are which seems kind of like a town thing to do.

FF has posted things and will be back allegedly.

Rayn can be held accountable for his transgressions.

That leaves Eywa and WARDER. Warder is a smurf and all smurfs must die.


Fine.

At least it rules out a disastrous lynch like the two last ones I saw.

##Vote warder
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 12:39 GMT
#445
Good stuff.

I move all responsibility for this lynch to HF
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 12:43 GMT
#446
But rayn is still mafia, unless he is town on sedatives.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 12:54 GMT
#447
Gonna wait and see where he goes with this HF thing tho
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 14:05 GMT
#449
On August 19 2019 13:52 reps)squishy wrote:
Chezinu's posts have zero substance. Lynching a lurker is ok, but I really don't think he'll turn out to be mafia.

WARDER is getting auto-killed from not posting. What is the point of voting for him?

I think it's weird that Vivax dropped the vote on me. Follow through with the shots you take! Don't try to vote me because I looked juicy and people didn't jump on board so you go for someone who has not made a single post.


Copcake yo I don't need your protection. But I am suspicious of people who are on my case.



Nah it makes perfect sense. This is a game where either you have those who only ever listen to themselves apparently, yet don't make an effort to get a real lynch going or those who are flat out not playing or playing in a way that doesn't help anyone (Chez).

Since I try not to fall into that group this game, I settled for Warder.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 14:06 GMT
#450
On August 19 2019 23:01 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, my bad

WP on day 1, keeping with the cop kill strat. 😂

I'll catch up as it seems I haven't been mod killed yet.


You can be instantly town for this post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 16:33 GMT
#462
FF could be mafia actually.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 16:35 GMT
#465
His shitpost to serious - ratio is lower than usual.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 16:38 GMT
#467
On August 20 2019 01:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2019 01:35 Vivax wrote:
His shitpost to serious - ratio is lower than usual.



That's a mafia tell for FF?


I think so, from a scum game I played with him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 16:40 GMT
#469
Might just be him feeling like he has to look professional for the mod icon lol
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 16:51 GMT
#471
Is Chez scumreading Cop? Either way, I'd keep him around for now as long as he posts, at least there is some interpretation available.

What if Chez actually always tells the truth as both alignments, but disguises it as nonsense? :o

Cop + Chez tinfoil team?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 17:04 GMT
#473
On August 20 2019 01:57 CopCake wrote:
Cop x chez team up is bullshit

I liked your post about doubting FF but might I ask why?

@Vivax



Yea the cop x chez teamup wasn't a serious post.

On August 19 2019 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On August 19 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:20 CopCake wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:15 CopCake wrote:
Lol, I am actually the opposite, I don't want to lynch an inactive because "one must be blue" but hey you agree with that feeling, RIGHT?

Because HEY

Who is in your mafia list?

Cake who said that she would lynch you because your first post looked bad and your case on me was BAD and MISTAKEN, now because I am calling you out I am mafia?

Chezinu who said let's lynch an inactive which is what it seems most of you want to do but he only gets called out for it.

Squishy for what reasons? his interaction with HF? Squishy made a good point on viva with the OJ Simpson thing and just pointed out how the "veterans" are not interacting that much which I agree is super odd.


Your mafia reads are LAZY.




Does my having lazy reads indicate an alignment?


It doesn't help the game, it is just a post trying to look useful when it isn't, you corrected your "case" on me and now you are attacking me for my "TONE" which is what?

What makes you think I am mafia?

Explain yourself.

Also looking at you Jock.

Your posts look as though you're trying to throw dirt on people rather than try to determine their alignment. You questioned jock for agreeing with something I said based on me being wrong on something ELSE that I said which is poisoning the well (I think I haven't brushed up on my fallacies lately) and contributes nothing to the determination of my alignment and does nothing to address what jock was actually saying.

Lol, I am actually the opposite, I don't want to lynch an inactive because "one must be blue" but hey you agree with that feeling, RIGHT?

Can you explain what you mean here? How do you know an inactive must be blue and where did I indicate that I thought that?


Chezinu who said let's lynch an inactive which is what it seems most of you want to do but he only gets called out for it.

Using 'most of you' to discredit my read on him when I've not expressed interest in lynching an inactive is odd to me and reads like a defense of chezinu rather than an attack on my read.

Squishy for what reasons? his interaction with HF? Squishy made a good point on viva with the OJ Simpson thing and just pointed out how the "veterans" are not interacting that much which I agree is super odd.

This could be rephrased as "I disagree that quishy is scummy because: " instead of using your read on squishy as an attack on my unrelated read on squishy.



You are pushing an agenda rather than determining people's alignments.

Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 12:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:35 CopCake wrote:
On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
dislikes after skim/reading:

copcake's read progression on squishy, copcakes's use of 'too scummy to be scum' on herself

Squishy's blatant assumption that HF was 'demonizing' him when HF was actually defending him, squishy appearing when being scrutinized

chezinu's most recent string of posts, chezinu's logic on lynching lurkers to keep blues alive as if there's any indication the blue's aren't in the AFK pile

warder smurfing and being AFK at the same time. Could be coag though and if it is I no longer dislike it lmao

things I liked:

Vivax being active

jock trying really hard. I'm trying to townread jock instead of scumming him every game

camping was fun and I smell like a campfire



This, I can ask you the same thing, why are you so sure afks have blues?

And now I HAVE THIS JEWEL
On August 19 2019 12:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu is probably mafia too. He usually uses stuff to make something happen out of it, or like, there is some reason why he posts cryptic stuff he does, and i don't see anything but some posts that don't intend to do anything.

Total and complete agreement from me. This is why I didn't like his entire string of posts on the page where I returned to thread.



YOU EVIL MOD!

You always considered HF kinda mafia but your mafia were me, squishy and chezinu? really?

REALLYYYYY?

On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
dislikes after skim/reading:

copcake's read progression on squishy, copcakes's use of 'too scummy to be scum' on herself

Squishy's blatant assumption that HF was 'demonizing' him when HF was actually defending him, squishy appearing when being scrutinized

chezinu's most recent string of posts, chezinu's logic on lynching lurkers to keep blues alive as if there's any indication the blue's aren't in the AFK pile

warder smurfing and being AFK at the same time. Could be coag though and if it is I no longer dislike it lmao

things I liked:

Vivax being active

jock trying really hard. I'm trying to townread jock instead of scumming him every game

camping was fun and I smell like a campfire


He disagreed with HF but blames Squishy for doubting HF?

Agh

Not popular opinion but I am voting FF.


Point 1:
Saying that chezinu's logic is stupid does not mean that I believe the opposite. You asking how I'm 'so sure' there are blues in the AFKs is either a leading question or just bad reading comprehension. I said chez shouldn't be so sure there are NO blues in the AFKs not that I necessarily think there ARE blues in the AFKs.

Point 2:
Already established as false and no longer a jewel

Point 3:
I blamed squishy for not reading HF's post and assuming it was a negative one. This has nothing to do with HF and everything to do with squishy and his mindset reading people's posts.



Do you have any good reasons why I'm mafia?


Please review the posts I put the most effort into in a mafia game since like 2015, everyone.

Then vote copcake or tell me why she's being like this as town


This is the reason. Although I don't think I'm going to give it too much weight for now. It would be pretty unfair towards him if it's genuine effort.

Seems kind of convenient for you to like my reasoning though. FF is scumreading you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 22:48 GMT
#508
On August 20 2019 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here is what happened at the start of the game.

People post some random shit. Vivax asks me if i am mafia. Vivax makes a couple of posts on FF where he is actually trying to do something and has some sort of a thought process (as in his "reaction test" or whatever shit that was on me). So well Vivax is already town here. There is no legwork to be done here because he should be read probably town here anyways. Jock's reasoning seems overexplained to me so i ask him about it. Jock doesn't freeze or give any bullshit answer -- just weird way of thinking things imo. Vivax seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. Cake seems to be thinking Jock is mafia. Jock seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. I hard-conter the "case" of Cake calling HF mafia comes from mafia because it doesn't make any sense. I dont really see any reasoning (other than Cake's on Jock later on) that could possibly be something else than mine. Jock doesn't actually call Cake anything until a bit later (when he agrees with HF's list), but inbetween there Cake doesn't really post anything regarding his argument earlier, and there are no other reasons presented for Cake being town other than mine, so why should i assume something else? Same goes with Vivax, i don't see why he'd change his mind unless it is for what i said (as we even discussed it).

So yeah, you can say i didn't do it all but i was part of all the discussion in the thread at the time and the conclusion HF comes to is that i "have posted nothing". If you want to fucking nitpick like he does then yeah, this is simply a lie because i was actually there posting and even if i hadn't posted ANYTHING of substance (which is not the case here) that's still i lie because i have pretty much 2 pages of filter from that time.

Also yeah, i didn't expicitly say where my townreads on Vivax and Jock come from but i didn't think i need to say that because those were pretty obvious reads to make and furthermore, if you have ever played with me and use any portion of your brain cells you can tell if i think someone is mafia or not purely based on how i answer to them and or / if i question tham and in which manner that happens. But apparently people don't use any brain anymore in these games.

This is most likely the last mafia game i will ever play. Game is not for me when there is a "tone scum read" on me based on some bullshit question, then there are some mafiascum scrubs playing who can't form a (gameplaywise) reasonable sentence other than "youre mafia because your role pm says you are mafia". At least HF actually tries to provide some reasoning behind his reads, but that's also bad because he's nitpicking every fucking word in people's posts and when someone else does that nobody ever cares -- he gets away with it as mafia and loses games as town, and that's bad. But noone cares. And almost all the rest of the people afk the shit out, dont post at all and dont vote. What's the point of the game?

Like i can discuss the game with squishy, ff, jock and cake but that's it. Others can go fuck themselves because that's not playing mafia. I havent done anything scummy in this game yet noone even seems to be having a reasonable read on me, Based on what i HAVE done (saying i havent done anything is just simply incorrect). I don't see a reason to discuss shit with anyone because even the players on the list above dont seem to be caring fuck about what i have to say.


What should I say dude? Last games I played I had at least one mafia pointed out by the time I got N1d and not just that, I tried to stop both you and Palmar from being mislynched, and by the way you decided to throw the game by not claiming mason. Both of those mafias made it to endgame.

It's also toxic AF for the game that it has become possible to lynch obvious townies or obviously shitty lynches. Have you seen Palmar since? In your case you decided consciously to get mislynched.

So I tend to flail about pretty quickly when I see that trend of cba/lazyness/being busy coming up in you and HF, who also "grew up" with much more active games. And you don't get not to apply self criticism in all of that.

No matter what you say, up until this post your game has seemed uninterested, like when you replied to me about my scumread, and then you post an anti-town rant post that is within the range of emotional investment I could see from town rayn. Except that town rayn would want to make sure his mafia reads get lynched, and not that everyone who doesn't townread him gets shat on.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 23:01 GMT
#512
Even if you are town and right on HF, rayn, you are not going to catch him this night with that argument by both doing your own metric of what legwork is.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 19 2019 23:50 GMT
#522
Btw don't assume I get NKd for my current reads this game. Too early for that and D1 has been crap information-wise.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 20 2019 00:26 GMT
#523
By the way from town rayn's game:

On July 23 2019 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tbh Koshi i will not let you play like you have past couple of games, i mean like "shitting on players" and making one-liners despite how good or bad they are. You are reasonably good player when youre town and you're gonna own it up here if you are town. I dont like your opening at all, because you have a huge ego and you saying you being lynched is okay doesn't sit well there, regardless of how busy you claim to be. I also don't like you calling both me and HF weird because regardless of what your conclusion of our argument is you should have one. Right now you don't have any, when in fact all the conclusions and thought processes of ours are in the thread, and that to me looks like you want to fuel the (useless and "solved") argument wothout taking any side on anything. It's at best shitty play.

I have a gut feeling that Slam is town and FF is mafia. I can't really go further into that in a reasonable way but that's how i feel. Especially towards FF i even myself think my argument is shitty but yeah, that's how i feel at the moment.

I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag. I also consider HF town for like 95% sure and i don't think i am gonna change my opinion on that in this game based on how fucking convoluted his assumed "town!argument" of his early posting would be in case he was mafia. I will say though if you are mafia this game i am going to vote for you in every single further game when you even imply you didn't read even one word in the OP.


What he describes is what he's doing himself this game. Not throughout the entirety of his filter, but a significant part. Besides, his big post's good intentions also giving a lot of reads throughout it in his town game doesn't match his big post here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 25 2019 10:45 GMT
#1478
On August 25 2019 19:34 Holyflare wrote:
Are you fucking serious copcake? Always counter claim. ALWAYS.


#riggedTLgames
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 25 2019 11:33 GMT
#1480
Jocks scum game has improved from his last scum game. He might have even won this after a rayn lynch. I really don't know how cop and HF couldn't read rayn if eywa can. Maybe we should elevate this strategy of threatening to stop playing to scum standard until it stops working.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
August 25 2019 11:39 GMT
#1482
On August 25 2019 20:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 20:33 Vivax wrote:
Jocks scum game has improved from his last scum game. He might have even won this after a rayn lynch. I really don't know how cop and HF couldn't read rayn if eywa can. Maybe we should elevate this strategy of threatening to stop playing to scum standard until it stops working.


It's hard to lynch an un ccd cop my dude.


He wouldn't have gotten that far without that bluff
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