V A P O R W A V E mafia

On August 19 2019 21:43 Vivax wrote:
But rayn is still mafia, unless he is town on sedatives.

On August 20 2019 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
I mean Eywa's probably mafia so that's something?

On August 20 2019 08:17 Holyflare wrote:


I'm pretty sure I do the same thing every single game I've ever played.

On August 20 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote:


Eywa.

On August 21 2019 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:


Eywa is doing the exact same things he did in his mafia game.

On August 21 2019 00:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Eywa who else is scummy can we be townbros?

On August 21 2019 00:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
FF, Chez, Eywa and squishy are those I would lynch
Preferably squishy because he's mafia.

On August 19 2019 01:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem with that list for me is that they are all afk and at least Eywa-, rayn and FF are going to be very useful later on if they are town.

On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:


You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game.

In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates?

On August 21 2019 03:47 CopCake wrote:


Why HF?

Feel free to ask me things too.

On August 21 2019 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm officially not giving copcake credit for the dumbtell

On August 21 2019 07:43 Holyflare wrote:


I never once reference the word case. I simply say that your thought process doesn't add up, which it doesn't.

On August 21 2019 11:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
hi im here

On August 21 2019 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
Good chat guys.

On August 21 2019 12:10 Holyflare wrote:



??? Not it at all. Your scum reads don't make sense and shouldn't exist because all the reasoning you've provided has been refuted and you've given nothing else to prove why you maintain those reads.

On August 21 2019 12:11 Holyflare wrote:
Everything you say is an agenda to manipulate rather than actually solving the game.

On August 21 2019 12:16 Holyflare wrote:
The thing is I don't see where my point was refuted.

If you state things like x, y, z is mafia because of a, b, c but it turns out a, b, c just aren't true but you don't reevaluate and instead maintain x, y, z are scummy for that then that's not just a bad read, that is flagrant misrepresentation and an agenda to blend in with doing work. There is one alignment that does that.

Furthermore, if you think you actually had something on rayn's appeal to emotion post why did you not ever try and evaluate why he posted it?

On August 21 2019 17:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Can you explain what in the last pages makes sense or rather, what is good in a townie way in what Chezinu posted the last couple of pages?

Do you still think mafia is jock and ff are mafia? if yes, what is wrong in cases against eywa since for damn sure there should be something wrong for you in them if eywa is not mafia.

On August 21 2019 17:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Can you explain what in the last pages makes sense or rather, what is good in a townie way in what Chezinu posted the last couple of pages?

Do you still think mafia is jock and ff are mafia? if yes, what is wrong in cases against eywa since for damn sure there should be something wrong for you in them if eywa is not mafia.

On August 19 2019 12:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think this game will end well for the town though.

On August 18 2019 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am telling you vivax is town though regardless of my alignment.

On August 21 2019 21:11 Eywa- wrote:
@Holyflare are you going to continue with this joke of a wagon you're building on me or are you actually going to pull your head out of your ___ and make some decent reads?

On August 21 2019 21:14 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm going back and honestly I think I might have been reading him from the wrong POV.
I still don't like his start of day 2.

There seems to be many people he's comfortable saying they are probably not mafia and I was looking at it from the point of view of him trying to get reads out where he hadn't thought about it but maybe he's not doing that and he just has loads of people as null.

Like I try to confirm people as town, maybe squishy doesn't and that's what's making me think he's mafia.
I'm worried about cognitive bias here because everything I'm reading of his jumps out at me as mafia but I dunno man.

Maybe I'll go back and see what's there from a TMI point of view instead. I'm still keeping him as a scumread for now, just for his overall lack of contributions (also I still dislike that list post + day 2 start) but I'm not entirely convinced by my own case on him tbh.

The thing with chezinu (#406) probably not being mafia at a point where he had only posted irrelevant nonsense is weird to me. Chezinu could objectively have been any alignment. The only way you could say probably not mafia is that only 2/10 people are mafia so its the same probably not as everyone else if you don't have any town reads.


SQUISHY:

I'd like to know if you have any solid town reads at this point. Your list post doesn't have any in it at all.

Also could you respond to the point about your chezinu read because that's really weird why you would say probably not mafia when he's chezinu. How could you know (or even have any clue at all) whether or not he's mafia at that point?

On August 21 2019 21:28 Jockmcplop wrote:

What would the point in doing that be if i was mafia?
It barely makes sense.
Its like you're trying to prove rayn's case on you true.

On August 21 2019 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
I'm listening but I just don't really think anyone else is as scummy as you.

On August 21 2019 23:27 CopCake wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesnt make sense a Rayn/HF team.

On August 21 2019 23:48 Holyflare wrote:


Thinking about it??? Did you even read the posts against eywa??

On August 22 2019 00:35 Eywa- wrote:
So, kill me today, then vote Rayn tomorrow, HF day 4... HF seems to have an unsually high amount of his posts claiming what his reads are and who he's going to vote, also a decent number of non-game related posts... Page 2 of his filter is especially bad in this regard and very unlike his town game.

About 25% of posts claiming his reads is pretty high for HF who is usually more inquisitive.

On August 22 2019 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
And why is stating my reads a mafia thing?

On August 22 2019 00:50 Holyflare wrote:
It just gives people a chance to know where my head is at when I have a limited amount of time to play and then I can respond to any questions about my reads if they arise. Not particularly my fault everyone just writes me off as town other than you.

I'm still not particularly sure what you even actually scum read me for. First it was poeing which wasn't even true and now it's?

On August 22 2019 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if rayn bussed eywa tbh. That's why eywa ignores any evidence based case rayn makes and just says it should be obvious rayn is mafia when nobody is particularly looking that way at rayn. Poor play if it is.

On August 22 2019 01:38 Holyflare wrote:
Don't believe his bs. He did the exact same thing last game where he only starts to do things when people call him mafia.

Just read his content. Now I'm only mafia from poe and voting poorly but that was never the case before. Pretty sure I've been his scum read since n1. His manipulation of playing the "I don't care" thing is also how he said he'd play it in the mafia QT last game and pretty much his play is identical.

Look at how he's trying to appease me saying now my vote is just poor and it's poe instead of treating me as the mafia aggressor pushing his needed mislynch. It's all a game.

On August 22 2019 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
Eywa I could easily have responded to you like I responded to FF the whole time yesterday but in previous games all anyone has got out of you is "I don't talk to scum" or "yeah your scum" so I didn't see the point.

On August 22 2019 01:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh yeah I'm convinced here just trying to see who's busing

On August 22 2019 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if rayn bussed eywa tbh. That's why eywa ignores any evidence based case rayn makes and just says it should be obvious rayn is mafia when nobody is particularly looking that way at rayn. Poor play if it is.

On August 22 2019 02:16 CopCake wrote:
Rayn is town, why are you doubting him now? Because he “handed in” Ewya?

On August 22 2019 01:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like assuming eywa flips mafia I'd still probably be fine lynching squish but I'm not sure it's that simple

On August 22 2019 02:43 Holyflare wrote:


You're not going to convince anyone you're not mafia so you may as well spend the rest of the cycle telling people why Rayn is mafia instead.

On August 22 2019 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
Something I've noticed is that if you call people bad and don't use logic to back up your reads it always makes them LESS likely to lynch you


Oh wait nvm

On August 22 2019 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Well all I can say is that if you do flip town you played a bad game, it happens.

But I don't think you will.

On August 22 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
Eywa the only person other than you that I would vote would be squishy. You down for shenanigans?

On August 22 2019 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Really though if rayn posted that big woe is me rant as scum I'll be sad

On August 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
So ridiculously dumb you think a mafia team has rayn on it but squishy isn't mafia because vivax died and he was calling him scum :D

Not like rayn would take control and kill vivax or anything hahahahaha

On August 22 2019 04:35 Fecalfeast wrote:

AtE?

On August 22 2019 07:34 Holyflare wrote:
There is a case from Rayn on Eywa that has a timeline inconsitency that has NOT been answered at all by Eywa and he skirts around it repeatedly. He only has been doing this thing now because his previous plan was failing and even still 0 of what he says was content!

Squishy is probably the other mafia sure but Eywa is mafia and you should be lynching him. If nothing more to get rayn to play and post content?

On August 22 2019 07:45 CopCake wrote:


Dude, he told you that he liked I didn't got angry when he pointed the gun at me because yes is true that I defended him but I had good intentions.

Mafia would had gotten mad and offended.

On August 22 2019 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
You are dumb if you think Eywa is town. Flat out stupid.

On August 22 2019 07:47 Jockmcplop wrote:

Eywa isn't in my town pile although i do like his response to being lynched. You're right that he had no response to rayn's case.
Maybe you're right and its just his plan after being caught as scum. I dunno. I feel it with squishy though. tbf you asked eywa to shenanigan onto squishy and he decided not to. I think you should and so should he, but eywa doesn't believe that squishy is mafia and isn't doing that.
That's interesting in itself save for the possibility that they are both mafia which they could be i guess.

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand how voting eywa gets rayn back. From what I remember of his angry post it looked like it was you he was angry at as much as eywa. Or was it just people thinking he was scum again that made him angry? Its hard to tell with rayn. But I don't think we should be lynching anyone who calls him scum just to get him to play. That's not playing mafia, as rayn would say.

On August 21 2019 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So yeah i actually am not just pissed off but have reasoning on why Eywa is mafia. Let's start with these quotes from past two games. Last game, after the game (so there is no reason to lie about anything) Eywa said this:

Now i don't know what the last sentence says, i guess it is trying to say kill me N2 as mafia (as Eywa was mafia), otherwise the whole paragraph doesn't even make any sense.

This is from the game before, Eywa was town in that game so once again there is no reason for him to lie about what he says here. The bolded parts are important (read the whole chain of quotes):

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Now to this game, here are Eywa's first two posts:


First thing to note here is that in the first post Eywa doesn't post scumreads but instead says he needs to read filters to confirm. Second post says he 100% agrees with Vivax that i am mafia (i don't accept answer "or on sedatives" because after that he starts gunning on me but more on that later). The problem here is that either Eywa read my filter in one minute since that's the difference in times between those posts or that read is bs because if he already had a scumread on me i can't see any reason why the scumread on me isn't in the first post, who cares about town reads when you have a clear scumread? Another thing here (especially regarding the quotes from past games) is that (1) based on how he views my play regarding past games he should NOT have a scumread on me (especially based on the reasoning later on) and (2) in this game, based on what he has posted in his first post and later on we actually agree with pretty much on everything!!!! I also have FF and Cake as town, I also have Vivax town (those are his town reads), i also at least had HF as mafia at this point (which is Eywa's next scumread), so why am i scum again?? Because Eywa -- as per his words -- "tends to scumread me in every game because he finds it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything"?

Then let's go onto his reasoning of why i am mafia:

I hate his playstyle except for the last game where he actually provided very good reasoning on my mafia partner and also on other people, something that is definitely not happening here. There is nothing scummy in calling his play here on this game bad because it is bad for a townie.

I don't care if it's bad or not but almost every game i get pissed at something and thats what happens. That's not an AtE post even, that's a fuck you post. There is nothing scummy in that.

And that's his scumread. See here is another thing that is funny. None of the things he called me mafia for happened before he called me mafia.

Here is his scumread on Holyflare:

I don't even know what this means or how this makes HF or anyone mafia in any situation without further explanation, which obviously never comes. Another funny fact just for shits and giggles:

Na-ah bro, by your (wrong) definition of omgus you're the one omgusing because HF called you mafia first so this omgus thing makes you mafia now right?


Here is his scumread on Jock:


So i don't really care what Eywa is actually trying to say Jock's scum motive is because i don't really understand the post in total but here's what i understand. The first post Eywa quoted from Jock is the post that triggers the scumread, without the first quoted post the second one (Jock made D1) isn't scummy because Eywa says "if he's just going to default [to something later on]". Sooo...

Sooo... The problem here once again is that Eywa scumreads Jock before Jock has made the post he scumreads Jock for.

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TLDR;

- Once again this picture fits. 2 out of 3 of Eywa's scumreads are based on stuff that happens AFTER they are his scumreads. Basically he is picking a target and then starts "finding reasons for why they are mafia". And that is a fucking mafia thing to do.

- Reasoning on me doesn't even make sense based on what he has said before and what has happened in this game reads wise, neither does one on Holyflare. Not gonna defend Jock for Jock because i don't really care to figure out why some weird pocketing theory and other shit would be the most possible answer.

So that's pretty much my 2c for today, i see again a lot of arguing between my townreads and last day phse i tried to engage and get the people who i think are town together but apparently that's same as doing nothing so you guys do whatever you do and i can go actually do nothing (or something else at least).

##vote Eywa-

Good night.

On August 22 2019 08:00 CopCake wrote:



You have a "semi case" against Rayn; your biggest scum read, and you don't even read what he writes about you?

Yeah my vote is ok where it is.

On August 22 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
If rayn is mafia and his case is so shit you waited 48 hours effectively doing crap all to wait till people go to bed to counter it. Good job.

On August 22 2019 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:

I hope so

On August 22 2019 11:21 Holyflare wrote:


This is a very townie post.

On August 22 2019 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
No he's not.

On August 26 2019 07:10 Holyflare wrote:


What you stated in the obs qt about following my reads is because I used to be a really good town player (at least, actually lynching mafia consistently) but that's changed nowadays and it feels like nobody really plays the style that is compatible with me and nobody has the time either (and neither do I to be honest. Don't care enough).

I think town people played relatively well in displaying their towniness though.

On August 26 2019 10:14 Grackaroni wrote:
From the parts I saw I really thought Jock was legit town and Squishy mafia from where Jock was pushing Squishy.

Rayn fooled me with his rage quit post but it seems like most of OBS aside from me wasn't fooled.

On August 26 2019 10:33 Grackaroni wrote:

Mine came from the posts around the start of day 2.

On August 26 2019 13:08 CopCake wrote:
It is just a game, people need to relax.
I feel embarrased a little bit but I know my “moon magic” logic is not taken seriously.

The first person ever to call out Jock was me for his “ he is doing filters to look town” and I got shut down.