Cupid's Arrow Mafia

On July 15 2019 09:31 Onegu wrote:
Why am I wanted to join this game?

On July 26 2019 11:50 NoSmurfHere wrote:


This is a scumclaim

On July 26 2019 12:41 Fecalfeast wrote:

what fight the one post where I said letting jock vote is dumb?

scummy post

On July 26 2019 13:22 Tubesock wrote:
To be clearer ES, How can Bugs who is the best scum player on this list (he says) ever scumread someone who expresses paranoia over a townread? If nothing that should encourage better play.

On July 26 2019 13:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
not only scumread me but to say that that one post made him REALIZE WHY JOCK SCUMREADS ME

On July 27 2019 17:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:


(not jock, but FWIW)

I actually was thinking about slam martyr voting himself and I just don't get it.

Like we were in the vote lead (technically) and if he was scum he could have sheeped FF & tube on us and comfortably put us in the lead; Pandain's vote would've tied but it would have needed another vote to put slam in the lead again.

So why self vote to put himself in the lead exactly? As either alignment?

I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward just looking at someone else today because I'm having a hard time understanding slam's play from either perspective, and FF has some redeeming posts from day 1 & doesn't seem like anyone else thinks FF is scum.

What if we just killed Koshi?

-wherebugsgo

On July 27 2019 17:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Eversince how was your breakfast? I know its the most important meal of the day but it doesn't normally take me 36 hours to make and eat it

-J

On July 27 2019 17:18 Eversince wrote:


If he's mafia trying to push himself to death so he can 'spend time with future wife' seems like a good way to play Appeal to Emotion card like he's done all game. People move, he get free pass to drop from the game for "reason he already posted" But that's a really rude move. (This last sentence might be my bias though, I don't lie about afk )

I'd be ok with Koshi. He's playing like a lost sheep and that dumpster of a mess between HF/Koshi/Slam was just really bad. I would probably of ask same type of questions in HF shoes (not really because I thought Rayn was town to, but here again.. bias. I sub in after Rayn is already dead.)

Chez would be fine with me to. He's literally contributed 0 to this game .

On July 28 2019 04:50 Koshi wrote:

PoE.

On July 28 2019 04:11 Eversince wrote:
Koshi you can only say that after Slam started distancing himself.
On that they are trash reads

Eywa for what? inactivity that we were warned was likely to happen? You have any other reason to m!Eywa?
ES- You only start to m!ES after I called you scummy enough to lynch
Chez- Half the damn thread can't understand Chez and wouldn't mind him dead.

How am I wrong with saying those are easy/unoriginal reads?

On July 31 2019 03:23 Branch.AUT wrote:

I have never seen her play before, so forgive me if I'm not convinced. The way I see it rolling scum is an excellent occasion to use your established meta to backstab everyone.

On August 03 2019 04:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
Picking up the newbie mislynch, just after this tearful MZ theater

On July 27 2019 19:25 Branch.AUT wrote:

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that.

On July 28 2019 05:20 Branch.AUT wrote:

I have

On August 03 2019 05:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:
His reentranced smelled off, and EOD he was considering between MZ and Branch. But he was second to last to vote MZ?

ES holding votes for a longass time is rubbing me the wrong way too. I think if MZ got jumped on like he did yesterday it’s likely that at least one scum would hold their vote to see if they can push an alternate

Branch as much as his posts are dumb looks townier. Arguing up to EOD...? Is he really gonna put that effort in as a new scum player?

-wherebugsgo

On August 03 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:

What makes me scumread you the very most, is that, same as MZ did, you go out of your way, to misunderstand und reframe statements to fit your narrative.

This happened when we talked earlier, and also with bugs the following hours.

On August 04 2019 14:07 NoSmurfHere wrote:


I don’t fucking understand what conclusion you are drawing. Like ever. Can you actually take a stance??

From your perspective it seems like you think we are town. Do you think Koshi is scum or not?

Work with me here, seriously if you are town this waffling is not helping. You look like you are the only person putting any effort in besides us at this moment and I can’t tell if it’s because you’re scum and about to die or if it’s because you’re town and you’re genuinely confused.

Pick two names right now. Or assign percentages. Or just pick one person. Idgaf. Right now you’re giving no indication on who you’d actually vote and that’s the only thing that matters. You have one vote. If you can’t put down thoughts on the other 3 all at once then everything else and pick the one person you would kill at this very moment.

-wherebugsgo

On August 05 2019 03:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:
So vote Pandain??

Why is it so hard to just vote then? You had no problem doing this when you were trying to kill Koshi instead of Chezinu.

-wherebugsgo

On August 05 2019 03:25 NoSmurfHere wrote:


All I see is “I’m doing anti-town selfish play #1 in LYLO because I’m scum and don’t know where my vote is ending up”

You should learn how to play scum better. I can coach you lol

-wherebugsgo

On August 05 2019 03:47 NoSmurfHere wrote:


Yeah, MZ hates playing mafia so much he’d kill himself and play against his own wincon rather than just winning the game, just in order to spite his teammates for having the misfortune to roll scum with him, because he wants you to hate playing scum too.

You know, when if you were actually town he could’ve just easily killed you and the game from his perspective would have ended at the exact same fucking time and we wouldn’t be here trying to explain this fantasy world where Meapak plays against his own wincon when he sees 1-2 townies in you and Pandain not consolidating.

-wherebugsgo

On August 05 2019 04:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:


What point?

Please, spell it out.

Surely if you are town and you see that Pandain also wasted his vote, Pandain is confirmed scum to you?

I don’t think you are completely pants on head as town. It’s actually a compliment for me to call you scum here rather than town.

But, you want to keep your vote to do a repeat of yesterday, where your vote didn’t matter. You look like scum, act like scum, and talk like scum. That makes you scum!

-wherebugsgo

On August 05 2019 04:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:


Nope LOL

Your play didn’t work because we’re not that retarded. You can WIFOM is but the facts are facts.

But keep talking like we are town, as you have done for the past idk however long. We are not moving our vote from you.

So again, either kill us with your scumbuddy Pandain, or vote Pandain. Those are your only two choices. Talking this out with us is not helping you at all.

-wherebugsgo

On August 05 2019 04:10 NoSmurfHere wrote:
MZ yesterday:



ES today:



-J

On August 06 2019 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


Try and step out of your own shoes for a second and reread what you just wrote here.

It's rare for people to understand exactly how others play all the time. And what you say in-game is unreliable, even what you say here is unreliable because I personally don't believe when people say "I only do this as one alignment". I do a ton of things as both alignments and I'm personally not sure I can tell you how to read me because I'm not sure myself if I have any tells, and there hasn't been anyone I've played with yet who I feel can reliably read me. I can tell you the things I would be likely to do as certain alignments (like kills) but most of the stuff I do (like talk about masons etc. which people used to scumread me this game) is not alignment indicative.

And you're still not reading I think on the vote stuff

LYLO: one incorrect town vote risks losing the game.

You: don't vote, don't provide any hard reads at all. Also you: it should be obvious who I am about to vote. Me: facepalm.

Really, read what you just wrote. If you have no idea what's going on then how is anyone supposed to be able to guess who you're about to vote??

If we don't know who you're going to vote till the last minute, we can't coordinate and potentially waste the cycle. Which at LYLO equates to a loss.

If you don't get this....then, I don't really know what to say. Reread the newbie guide?

On August 06 2019 11:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
btw as an aside I think my opinion on the self vote rule has changed.

I used to think that there were really niche situations where killing yourself would end discussion and allow the game to progress in a way that is beneficial to your faction.

Given that there are people that will now do this at LYLO as town and it becomes a really stupid scumhunting "heuristic" (aka martyrs cannot be scum fallacy) think it should go back to being against the rules.

I think the vast majority of self-voting cases are playing against your own wincon and we should not allow that if playing against your own wincon is against the rules. It's not fair to the other players if you've got one person who'd rather refuse to play and end the game early rather by playing against their own wincondition than actually doing what's expected of them.

On August 06 2019 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:


1. Pandain threw his vote on Koshi in LYLO and left it there all day.

2. MZ pushed branch & Koshi and parked his vote on branch.

3. voter list on MZ and ES was identical, just different order. minimum 2 townies in both lists.

4. after MZ flipped scum, both Koshi and branch basically shot to near confirmed town (branch more so, it would have been koshi if Pandain was lynched instead) especially because both players were pushed heavily even prior to LYLO.

This makes the following three scenarios the most likely:

1. scum didn't bus. ES & Pandain scum. by definition not possible from ES perspective.

2. Pandain lock scum and wasted vote seeking a mislynch. One other scum bussed. To ES, this should be the most likely scenario.

3. Two scum bussed and somehow just left ES alive. The only scumteam where this makes sense from ES perspective is us & Koshi because Eywa was the first voter on MZ AND the hammer on ES. It would have indicated that scum us did not feel comfortable predicting where the lynch would go and decided to bus MZ for a guaranteed win the next cycle. ES should have seen that this is borderline impossible.

On August 06 2019 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
another reason koshi was essentially lock town was because MZ and at least one other scum pushed him as a viable lynch candidate d2 in opposition to Chezinu, because the 3 voters on Koshi were MZ Pandain ES

multiple scum don't try to create wagons on their own teammates when the votes are so close. scum can't predict lynches like that.

On August 08 2019 19:18 Jockmcplop wrote:


Honestly the reason I was scumreading you was because of how your votes seemed to line up more than because of what you were saying. It was always going to be 2/3 of you, pandain and eywa and I can see how from your point of view you did nothing wrong.
You and pandain were very similar in the way you played so it was kind of a coinflip at the end there.