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On May 21 2019 20:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit. I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter. I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid. I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not.
Calling bullshit on the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about my alignment from rayn's flip.
Vote rayn because he's mafia, not because of some stupid "get information" idea you have -_-
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On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\
Basically mine is as followed
Town
BC
WBG
HF (again god help me)
VE
Null
Koshi
Conversion
Jock
Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now)
Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red)
Igrok
Mafia
Ruxxar
Disinformation
Artanis
I think most of it is that you have a lot more null reads than I do, and on reading disformation & artanis's posts I lean town (10-20% is a few ticks below baseline/null).
I'm going to put the non-VE stuff in a spoiler so it's easier to read, the VE stuff is the most important read difference so I'm putting it outside.
I don't have great reasons to believe VE is town in this game because of his read progressions and a lot of the completely nonsense things he's been saying. Go ahead and look at his interactions with me in particular and see whether what he's been doing has made sense to you. For instance, he moved on Calix with almost no mention beforehand, and he similarly has very little to say on disfo other than he reached the opposite conclusion on disfo as me after reading him. He doesn't clarify why, he just eventually reaches a conclusion with basically no steps inbetween. He does this on not just Calix and disfo but also ruxxar.
He also claims I'm "narrative building" which I'm not sure why he says that or why he believes it, while just recently he claimed I have a bunch of reads for no reasons whatosever. My reasoning is very straightforward and clear in my posts and that's just a further indication that VE isn't actually following the game in order to try and figure out alignments.
He's been present for a lot of the game, he's witnessed the fact that votes are completely spread out, but he never does anything to actually fix that. Don't you think that town VE would be up in arms about that? Town VE would either elevate a townread to fix that problem, or try to do it himself. He's done neither, and in fact I don't even remember if he's really commented on the state of the votes or the state of the thread at all. Contrast that with your reaction to the state of the game and I read you as far more townie.
For VE to say he'd still lynch iGrok after literally all that happened in thread is the cherry on top. There have been pushes on ruxxar, disfo, conversion, Calix, and apparently he's taken some stances to some degree on each of these, but he chooses to say he'd be willing to lynch iGrok....???? If he reached the opposite conclusion of me on ruxxar & disfo then why is he still mentioning iGrok and not pushing disfo when disformation is actually a viable wagon??
There is no attempt from VE to help us get to a consolidation and that's another point in the scumbook.
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In context of the big picture, conversion and disformation are most likely either opposite alignments or TvT because the only tunnel stronger than my own on ruxxar is conversion's on disformation. This means that you probably should do one of the following: 1. move conversion to town, 2. move disfo to null, or move both to town. You can check my filter for my detailed thoughts on both players.
Jock asks a lot of questions and flits around and at times I've toyed with pushing him down to lean town from certain town, but he's certainly not null to me. He's one of the higher activity players in the game and I get the impression that he's actually trying to figure out things, he just doesn't really have a good grasp on how to do it. For example his responses about what he thinks are scummy are quite odd (they were odd last game too) but they're odd in the sense that he doesn't really have a scumhunting sense yet. I don't find them scummy odd, like it doesn't look like he's pushing any sort of real agenda.
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Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all
B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
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of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
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On May 21 2019 20:28 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit. I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter. I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid. I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not. Calling bullshit on the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about my alignment from rayn's flip. Vote rayn because he's mafia, not because of some stupid "get information" idea you have -_-
The thing is...
If rayn is mafia he's even more retarded than if he's town.
So I wouldn't vote for him on that basis --- as I explained in the above post.
Why are you trying to start a wagon on rayn? Is he your #1 scumread?
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Arg I'm going to take a break I'm confusing the shit out of myself.
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On May 21 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:28 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 20:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit. I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter. I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid. I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not. Calling bullshit on the idea that you can tell ANYTHING about my alignment from rayn's flip. Vote rayn because he's mafia, not because of some stupid "get information" idea you have -_- The thing is... If rayn is mafia he's even more retarded than if he's town. So I wouldn't vote for him on that basis --- as I explained in the above post. Why are you trying to start a wagon on rayn? Is he your #1 scumread?
His filter is dirtier than a shit-stained arsehole, he has very few redeeming qualities, has largely been ignored ever since the early game [did I mention he did fuck all when pressure was taken off him? Super town right there], had a bunch of town-reads voting for him so it's very unlikely any pressure on him was scum-generated, etc.
Also a bunch of people I town-read STILL think he's not in the clear so I don't see the hold-up.
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On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds.
So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return.
Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town?
You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
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I think I'd settle on a VE lynch maybe. But it annoys me to do that over people that think it's ok to not play the game. So rayn might be a spite lynch that could hit mafia but ve is an I think is actually mafia but if I'm wrong it would suck.
VE just basically comes back to say look how towny I am, disputes a bunch of shit, says he's not gonna vote who his vote is actually on and is instead gonna sheep, doesn't actually sheep and leaves again.
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also BC, note; do you remember VE ever asking you any questions or trying to figure out the game with you?
Last game I recall that he was involved with both of us and fairly proactively at that. He'd take our opinions and try to see whether they're worth incorporating, and build on what we'd discuss in-thread.
I don't see any of that this game. He's really fast to just pick fights with me rather than try to come to an understanding on why I am perceiving the game the way I am, and more importantly, he doesn't seem to be trying to interact with us to confirm whether his own vision of the game makes sense.
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On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all
B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
that is _after_ that progression. its like 6-7 hours after you are like "jock is a scum lean, read wbg for my thought progression".
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Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages.
Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol
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On May 21 2019 20:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages.
Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol
Agreed.
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On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return. Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit?
yeah, i am prolly a decent target for scum atm, pretty sure there is scum in the ppl scumreading me.
yes, like i mentioned earlier bugs is like the only sane person in this damn game.
nah rayn is imo gonna solve himself and im not confident in reading joshi in the first place. but i am starting to notice that he and i have a lot of different reads so i want to see if i have a decent shot at his alignment from that.
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On May 21 2019 20:36 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove. On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all
B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. that is _after_ that progression. its like 6-7 hours after you are like "jock is a scum lean, read wbg for my thought progression".
You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum?
You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched.
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On May 21 2019 20:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:24 Conversion wrote:On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good. Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why
how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere.
you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious?
this game man..
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On May 21 2019 20:42 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote:
of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs.
actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return. Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit? yeah, i am prolly a decent target for scum atm, pretty sure there is scum in the ppl scumreading me. yes, like i mentioned earlier bugs is like the only sane person in this damn game. nah rayn is imo gonna solve himself and im not confident in reading joshi in the first place. but i am starting to notice that he and i have a lot of different reads so i want to see if i have a decent shot at his alignment from that.
If you think Bugs is the only sane person in the game you would trust his judgment on me, which you dont. Especially given you said you would sheep him. So instead of antagonizing me you should want to be doing you know, something productive?
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On May 21 2019 20:44 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:24 Conversion wrote:On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good. Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere. you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious? this game man..
You can't tell me 3 mafia reads, or refuse to. Im not asking you to trust me, Im not asking you to trust anyone. I am asking you, if you are town, to tell me who you think is mafia. You know, something town should be trying to do?
Im not GOING OMG YOU ARE SCUM BECAUSE OF JOCK. I am looking at you shady as you basically told town to get fucked.
Ignore your biggest scum read for 5 seconds. Who else do you think could be scum?
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On May 21 2019 20:44 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:24 Conversion wrote:On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good. Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere. you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious? this game man..
People I have 'looked into' during this game:
You
Hf a little bit
VE a little bit then backed off
Rayn more than once
I've spent most of the first couple of rl days trying to get reads by asking questions and gathering information..
Tell me that's wrong... I dare you.
Stop this OMGUS please it doesn't help anything.
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On May 21 2019 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
I think I'd settle on a VE lynch maybe. But it annoys me to do that over people that think it's ok to not play the game. So rayn might be a spite lynch that could hit mafia but ve is an I think is actually mafia but if I'm wrong it would suck.
VE just basically comes back to say look how towny I am, disputes a bunch of shit, says he's not gonna vote who his vote is actually on and is instead gonna sheep, doesn't actually sheep and leaves again.
I put rayn and VE about on equal terms to flip scum, and honestly based on the progression of this game I find it very likely they could both be scum together.
I hate doing this so standard disclaimer that it's probably premature, but they are also two of only about three players who have had opinions on ruxxar that seem completely unsupported. Like, a lot of people have parroted the idea that ruxxar looks town and a few (like you and Calix) have indicated to some degree that this is actually based on reading his posts, but neither rayn nor VE have any indication whatsoever why they believe ruxxar to be scum, nor did they bother asking ruxxar questions, like Calix, myself, and you did.
Rayn has a whopping total of two posts on ruxxar:
On May 20 2019 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jock, Calix, disformation.
I dont think ruxxar is mafia. Especially to oeople who havent played with him he always looks scummy purely from how he writes his posts.
On May 21 2019 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah neither of ruxxar abd conv are scum.
and unlike ruxxar, rayn actually has one or two interactions with conversion.
VE OTOH actually made up shit that ruxxar never said in order to call him town, then projected onto me by saying I made up things to call disfo town:
On May 21 2019 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah I'm fine with ruX. I picked up reading after his initial post (which I initially townread him for) and he checked like all my townie marks in the first few posts after. I don't want to lynch ruX. Among the things I found were:
Annoyance at being ignored.
Annoyance with lurkers.
Fluid reads that change as people post.
Bringing up people others aren't looking at.
Among other more nuanced things I look for.
Rux not on my radar today.
1. Annoyance at being ignored, I asked VE to point this out, he never did.
2. Annoyance with lurkers, I again asked VE to point this out, he pointed out something about how ruxxar was annoyed with everyone being ACTIVE (an indication that VE has no idea what the fuck he's talking about this game)
3. Fluid reads that change as people post: again asked to point out how ruxxar was changing his reads, VE never responded.
4. Bringing up people others aren't looking at: LOL. I guess I'll cede this one? Calix was a dead easy target based on first post alone and as BC mentioned, ruxxar's own first post was almost identical to Calix's post.
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