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On May 21 2019 19:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 19:40 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus. The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos. WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh. I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game. Wait you feel iffy about me?? When did that change?
The following chain should explain it
On May 21 2019 15:34 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:10 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jock I think conversion is town based on his tone and responses to being called out. He’s pretty self-aware that he’s only focusing on disformation so a part of me wants to help disformation die so he can do other things but actually if you read he is doing things other than tunneling disfo. For example response posts, 775 780 and 787 are all posts that I find would be difficult for scum to fake.
At the moment I think they’re both town though. Hmm... OK Well I can see that you think he is town. Nothing you've posted would convince me that he's town though. I've just looked at those three posts and they all seem NAI to me. I could well imagine mafia posting any of those. Do you think hf is playing differently to usual? Where is his pushing for a lynch? Why i he going for afkers when he never does that. I don’t think HF is playing particularly out of band here. Right now I’m still rather confused at some events in the game. Based on HF’s style of adding up townreads and lynching through the rest, and what he’s posted so far on feeling unsure about said townreads, I imagine he just hasn’t been able to get enough of a grip on the game and resorted to voting iGrok. Now that iGrok is back and EU is waking up I fully expect HF to do some reevaluations and if he doesn’t, then I’ll become concerned. I’m also waiting for him to react to certain things I’ve noted and I want to see if his opinions move in a way that I’d expect. So far so good though; my opinion on HF is that he’s a fairly logical player even if sometimes he harps on weird stuff or goes pants-on-head like he did with me last game with his inordinately stupid fake claim red check. Btw why I pointed out those 3 posts is because I think mafia tend to not try to call as much attention to themselves in non-chalant, repeated ways. It’s especially the case in his responses to Calix, because he essentially says “hey look I can make you look bad too” without OMGUSing, and I think most scum in that situation would not be bold enough to counter like that. OK thanks for explaining... I'll bear that in mind as he posts more. IMO from what he has posted so far that isn't nearly enough to make me townread him or downgrade my scumread on him. I just want him to scumhunt in a way that doesn't seem fake. His sudden about turn from "I only want to talk about disfo" to agreeing with thread sentiment on ruxxar is an example of this. Let's see what happens today. With hf, I'm very much in the 'wait and see' camp with you on that one. He might come here and do his usual hf thing, and you explanation for why he is acting the way he is actually makes sense in context with his previous games.I think I'm getting a little bit thrown with the 72 hour days. The rhythm of the game is different - I think this might be why everything is a little bit wild at the moment... No-one's really motivated o properly push a lynch because there's so much time left.
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On May 21 2019 19:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I literally said I could fesibly lynch both disfor AND Conversion. NOW who's not reading? lel
which one would you prefer and why?
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On May 21 2019 20:01 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 19:40 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way. And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think. Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read. i feel like wbg is like one of the few sane persons (if not the only one) in the thread and i don't think his stuff on ruxxar is horrible (like koshi does apparently). though i agree that it is not nearly as strong as he think it is. think one of the posts of wbg asking me to vote ruxxar felt a bit like scum!pandain getting me to vote for town!sent in the themed game. dont think wbg is scum, but the ruxxar vote seems off. maybe im overthinking shit and I should just sheep wbg for at least making sense unless a ton of other ppl
Nah, I don't have any problem with bugs or him pushing ruxxar. In fact, it's quite a good thing to do. I just want to try and interact with ruxxar a bit and other people around ruxxar first. Don't want to be forced into anything repeatedly. Calix just mimics how I was feeling so it was more about her than bugs.
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Okay if nobody else is going to try pushing for a lynch then I'll do it. HF/ Jock/ WBG, we should go back to rayn. I'm pretty sure his train was pure. And since the pressure went off him, he's done pretty much nothing to redeem himself.
##vote raynpelikoneet
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On May 21 2019 20:08 Calix wrote:
Okay if nobody else is going to try pushing for a lynch then I'll do it. HF/ Jock/ WBG, we should go back to rayn. I'm pretty sure his train was pure. And since the pressure went off him, he's done pretty much nothing to redeem himself.
##vote raynpelikoneet
I'm not saying no, but I'd like to talk to koshi first.
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Just woke up and sort of caught up
what are town goals today?
@Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf.
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Sure. I don't think rayn/ Koshi are a thing lol. Doesn't really make sense with the whole 'proxy vote' stuff.
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damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\
Basically mine is as followed
Town
BC
WBG
HF (again god help me)
VE
Null
Koshi
Conversion
Jock
Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now)
Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red)
Igrok
Mafia
Ruxxar
Disinformation
Artanis
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koshi not calling me scum or bad is statiscally proven that he is scum btw. dude will never let go of his ego to try and lynch me as scum when he’s town. I’m 99% sure on this, will have data to back it up once I’m showering and going into work
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On May 21 2019 20:10 Conversion wrote:
Just woke up and sort of caught up
what are town goals today?
@Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf.
It makes sense to me though.
You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time.
Tell me you didn't do that?!
You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set.
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On May 21 2019 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:10 Conversion wrote:
Just woke up and sort of caught up
what are town goals today?
@Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf. It makes sense to me though. You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time. Tell me you didn't do that?! You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set.
easiest post? WBG asked me to untunnel, so I read a filter and put my opinions on it. you on the other hand, what have you done?
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On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\
Basically mine is as followed
Town
BC
WBG
HF (again god help me)
VE
Null
Koshi
Conversion
Jock
Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now)
Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red)
Igrok
Mafia
Ruxxar
Disinformation
Artanis
i think you still havent explained your jock "read" (or the read on me for that matter).
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On May 21 2019 20:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 20:10 Conversion wrote:
Just woke up and sort of caught up
what are town goals today?
@Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf. It makes sense to me though. You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time. Tell me you didn't do that?! You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set. easiest post? WBG asked me to untunnel, so I read a filter and put my opinions on it. you on the other hand, what have you done?
Read my filter and you'll see. I'm genuinely trying to figure things out. Its taking alot of posts to do it, but I think I'll get there.
Have I done something scummy???
There's really not much point in us two shouting at each other all day again. I still think you're mafia - all you have to do to change that is make a bunch of townie posts - you haven't done that yet at all.
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On May 21 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:00 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 21 2019 19:59 Calix wrote:
We could lynch rayn. I haven't seen any good reasons to town-read him and a lot of us have him as null/ scum, yes? Also D1 claim is so bad. But its rayn does it mean anything? tbh i also once had a game where i kinda lost my shit as cop n1 and claimed. super horrible. but either way the rayn stuff is prolly resolving itself soonish?
Jesus, who cares about the claim? What about his actual posts???
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The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why
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On May 21 2019 20:11 Conversion wrote:
koshi not calling me scum or bad is statiscally proven that he is scum btw. dude will never let go of his ego to try and lynch me as scum when he’s town. I’m 99% sure on this, will have data to back it up once I’m showering and going into work
nvm he pushed me pretty hard as scum when I was town and he was scum in chill hop so this no longer holds any water
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On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why
I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia.
also heading into work now brb
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On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say.
I never said anything like this rayn you are talking shit.
I don't understand why you think you can flat out lie about something that everyone can read in my filter.
I also don't really get why mafia would even try that its soooooo fucking stupid.
I'm tempted to vote you just so I can find out whether calix is scum or not.
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On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why
i am talking about your read progression see:
On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
After that post.
Early thread leanings
VE - Town
Rayn - Null - possible town
HF - null to scum
Jock - null to scum
Ruxxar - Lean scum
Callix - Scum
On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
List of shit because I want to.
Town reads
VE
HF (god help me)
Mafia reads
Ruxxar
Calix
Disinformation
Null
Everyone else
On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
BC, on Jock’s post, I don’t remember if it occurred after my post on rayn or before, the one that Calix said they liked (which was 220 IIRC) but basically I agreed with Jock’s assessment.
Comparing to last game and based on what Jock said post-game I think his posts here are within the bands of what I’d expect for a reasonable town adjustment. My read there is not strong but I do think what rayn has said about him is completely wrong. I’d suggest reading the first few pages without filter diving and see what conclusion you come up with. I’m particularly curious if you think town-rayn would come to the same conclusion and whether you think the aggression is real. Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself.
On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. idk what i did except for push my scum read. If you see me and HF as the "same" he does that same thing for different reasons, with less confirmation. I am just trying to get my scumread lynched, if that's what you dislike then.... well whatever. I know you read Jock mafia aswell, i just dont understand how you come up with a different opinion on me atm just because how i did it, and not why. You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with.
Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all.
you are saying that jock is a scum lean for the reason bugs posted.
bugs posted a reason to town lean on jocks.
so im here like ??? dafuq is this
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On May 21 2019 20:24 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb
Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good.
Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why
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