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On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok?
I'm trying to lynch rayn, someone who is IN YOUR POE. You even agree that one of rayn/ Koshi is mafia!
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On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok?
the reason why koshi > rayn is that rayn and I shared reads. i just dont agree with jock-disfo, and idk where he went tbh
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Koshi, what would you say if this happened:
You make an opening post which is worded weirdly. Holyflare calls you mafia for it. This Mr.X dude doesn't really say anything about it just asks why some other person thinks Holyflare is town for his case. Then this Mr.X dude asks you to explain yourself. You give an explanation that is easily checkable because you tell what is the post you copied your post from. Then the dude asks you why did you bother doing that. Then Artanis says the post doesn't really matter either way though. It has no impact on Koshi's alignment and asks you why did you do that, what was your plan? This Mr.X agrees with Artanis fully and thinks it's funny and interesting to think about Koshi saying hello in such a convoluted way. Then you see Artanis' post and say you just thought it would be fun to write that. After this Holyflare comes into the thread and says something like lol guys are you insane this makes Koshi mafia. Then the next thing is this:
Mr.X wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I just don't like anything you posted so far.
Lets go over your reasoning for posting that first message.
You thought it would be fun, rather than posting something relevant that makes sense, to post your role but write it wrong by copypasting a previous message and then changing the order of the words?
Is that your idea of fun Koshi?
What would you think at this point? The dude just matched his view of you purely based on what other people said at the time. Later he claims it's something else, like no that's not the reason i voted for you. the only other thing it can be here is pressure, but there is no point in him pressuring like that since he has just before agreed that the opening is not alignment indicative, and there has been no other talk from ANYONE pretty much other than this opening. "I just don't like anything you posted so far." is simply just an outright lie if anything he has said before this post is true. That is a fucking fact. VE even asks about it and he says "I dislike Koshi's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote"
Once again, what would you think? Then you are asked for reads, you say you think VE is town, Artanis maybe too, you can't figure out HF's alignment yet, Mr.X looks like noob town gun to head say town, and bugs might be mafia. Then this dude tells you those are not reads because there are no real scumreads. At this point five people have posted besides you, should you call someone scum even if you don't think anyone is scum? Otherwise you're mafia or what?
Yah, this is never what a townie should do. Never ever. Nothing in it makes any sort of sense from town perspective. Sadly townies can still do that, but those people go to Acrofails pile. I mean like when you say "rsoultin is mafia because she sheeped a read rayn made" and you don't even know what was the read rayn made. Even if saw 100 times townies do stuff like that i am always voting it off.
Last words, i don't care what people say about this, i cba because i read the thread and this is what happened. And that is not gonna get solved by "i meant something i didn't say", that's just fucking bullshit.
You might be right he isn't mafia but the above is the reason why, even if he isn't mafia, he basically is mafia and i am voting him. I am never tolerating that kind of play.
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On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote:
I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.
VE and rayn are basically doing the same thing in this game.
Note that they also mysteriously jumped to townreading each other while they have bristled with basically everyone else in the game. I think the only exception was VE pointing out that rayn had disappeared.
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On May 21 2019 20:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 20:56 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 21 2019 20:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
disfo, conversion, BC (especially BC, cause you came in with the intention of cleaning up the thread :D)
you're doing that classic town vs town vs town shitfest thing.
Let's back it up a bit, and come to an agreement that you all disagree with each other, and from this standpoint it looks like you're all arguing about completely pointless things when none of the things any of you are pointing out seem scummy to me. I would like to do this. I think we need to start working together more. I'll start with this:
##UnvoteRight conversion, I still think you're scum but my vote will most likely land elsewhere. I'm fed of being being distracted with you putting me on the defensive while I'm trying to figure out more important shit. WBG: Can you see why I need to figure out calix/koshi??? Calix has almost exactly the same reads as me and is now trying to get the rayn trayn a running. However, Koshi is insisting that calix is scum and we're all stupid for not already knowing that. So... I need to know whether calix is scum so I can figure out whether or not to reevaluate absolutely everything so far. What are you thinking on this? I'm sorry for being fucking useless but I don't even know how to figure this shit out at all... especially while koshi isn't here. Stop dick-riding Koshi and come up with your OWN thoughts on me. I'm right here. Go read my filter or whatever and talk to me. It's not rocket science.
Nice.
I actually think one of you/koshi is mafia but can't really tell which.. which is why I'm asking other people for help, like you would in some sort of team game. Bizarre, huh?
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VE does on iGrok what rayn does on Jock.
basically they both bring up some really old shit that they can't seem to get past, while townies would holistically look at the situation and incorporate new information as it arrives.
Like they're both basically parroting the same stuff from nearly 2 IRL days ago when there are far better things to look at now.
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Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
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On May 21 2019 21:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE does on iGrok what rayn does on Jock.
basically they both bring up some really old shit that they can't seem to get past, while townies would holistically look at the situation and incorporate new information as it arrives.
Like they're both basically parroting the same stuff from nearly 2 IRL days ago when there are far better things to look at now.
I was literally just about to say that rayn's latest post is just him dredging up the same old, same old.
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On May 21 2019 21:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok? I'm trying to lynch rayn, someone who is IN YOUR POE. You even agree that one of rayn/ Koshi is mafia!
see this is why i dont wanna post without reading bc ppl just get mad at things when i literally said i have incomplete info
thank u for bringing that up. i’ll reread and reevaluate. are you still lynching hf?
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Rayn you can fuck off with that you are going down a blind alley. You're deliberately misinterpreting the exact thing you quoted and using it for the basis of a terrible, terrible case that doesn't make sense. This is what everyone has told you about your case and it is, in fact, the truth.
I'm willing to go with WBG here if he says you are a good vote. It doesn't matter at this point whether you are retarded town or even more retarded mafia.
You're going down.
##vote rayn
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On May 21 2019 21:10 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:05 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok? I'm trying to lynch rayn, someone who is IN YOUR POE. You even agree that one of rayn/ Koshi is mafia! see this is why i dont wanna post without reading bc ppl just get mad at things when i literally said i have incomplete info thank u for bringing that up. i’ll reread and reevaluate. are you still lynching hf?
I've never wanted to lynch HF.
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here's the thing that's making me hesitant though
If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss
Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them.
In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn.
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On May 21 2019 21:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
here's the thing that's making me hesitant though
If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss
Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them.
In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn.
You should vote rayn then.
If we would be getting rid of an assett in VE, we wouldn't in rayn.. He has done fuck all useful in this game.
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On May 21 2019 21:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE does on iGrok what rayn does on Jock.
basically they both bring up some really old shit that they can't seem to get past, while townies would holistically look at the situation and incorporate new information as it arrives.
Like they're both basically parroting the same stuff from nearly 2 IRL days ago when there are far better things to look at now. I was literally just about to say that rayn's latest post is just him dredging up the same old, same old.
this might actually be within rayn's town band though.
For instance he constantly parroted the same things in the last game and after he died he was very consistent in the obs thread about how, if we kill grack, that would be really bad or whatever (grack was scum).
I don't think it's as likely for town VE to do this though.
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Rayn is not an asset IN THIS GAME. I don't give two shits about how good he's supposed to be or COULD be in a world where he's town when right now he is playing like this.
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On May 21 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
here's the thing that's making me hesitant though
If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss
Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them.
In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn. You should vote rayn then. If we would be getting rid of an assett in VE, we wouldn't in rayn.. He has done fuck all useful in this game.
I don't think either of them have been useful so far, but I think they'd both potentially be useful later.
In the end though I'm happy to vote either of them if that's what we end up consolidating on.
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On May 21 2019 21:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
here's the thing that's making me hesitant though
If we're wrong about one or both of VE we get rid of an asset on D1 and despite this being a game with longer lynch cycles that's potentially a big loss
Like, even if they're both scum together there's guaranteed to be a third person that's scum and I think that third person is probably an easier catch than either of them.
In my opinion the world at this point makes total sense if VE & rayn are scum together, but that's too early for me to make that association for sure. What I'd rather do is try and hit that scum hiding somewhere, which we're pretty much guaranteed to have and we're more likely to hit if we're wrong on one or both of VE/rayn.
aight. cooling down. need to finish current task at work, so i can actually filter without distractions.
tbh i am also somewhat hesistant to lynch good players d1 (a) hard to have a good read on them d1, b) as you said you can lose a good player if you fuck it up). there also was a game where scum was like hf/koshi/palmar. town lost very hard. i think it also was a huge clusterfuck of a game in general.
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On May 21 2019 21:13 Calix wrote:
Rayn is not an asset IN THIS GAME. I don't give two shits about how good he's supposed to be or COULD be in a world where he's town when right now he is playing like this.
I mean it's not like he can't ever be good in this game. This game has 72 hour day cycles and he's not the only choice for mafia.
Like, last game he called myself, Vivax, Pandain, and FF scum right before getting shot on n1. 3 of those names were town, but I wouldn't say he was useless; he certainly got shot for a reason.
Although with that said I highly doubt he'd be shot n1 if he's town and we leave him alive here.
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Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton.
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