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raynpelikoneet
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Calix
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On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead. Anyway. I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing. Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw]. Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all] Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI. I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Vivax called someone mafia. 40 pages later he came and presented the scumread on that said dude, only that everything in his case happened after he had called them mafia.... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!" | ||
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VisceraEyes
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote: I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Youre right you probably did.  | ||
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Calix
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Ya got me, I shot the PC claim who is doing jack shit  Rayn 2 gud 4 me. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9755 Posts
On May 24 2019 21:09 disformation wrote: think that is just part of the play style and fun some of the "veteran" players have here. They like to project confidence (or are just that confident) as that helps them to achieve their goals, regardless of alignment. Just take a look of rayn, koshi and hf. All three are usually very confident in their reads and it takes solid arguments to convince them otherwise. so can this be scum!hf trying to steer town in a bad direct? yes. can also be town!hf saying: "i need to step up my game so we actually lynch scum here". Yeah of course, that's kinda my point. He says I shouldn't be paranoid but is taking over the town while acting in a way that makes it very difficult to be sure that he's not mafia. I'm not calling him scum, I'm explaining to him what he already knows. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On May 24 2019 21:15 Calix wrote: Ya got me, I shot the PC claim who is doing jack shit Rayn 2 gud 4 me. we'll see about that after game. at least i didn't participate that bad lynch on D1. | ||
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Calix
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On May 24 2019 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: we'll see about that after game. at least i didn't participate that bad lynch on D1. Ooh, you're so townie for berating people for a D1 ML :o Which makes no sense because you supposedly think I'm mafia yet you word that post like MLing ruxxar was a mistake on my part. Almost like you know I'm town! lmaoooo | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9755 Posts
Some bits might be paraphrased because I've copied/pasted out of my notes but the content is exactly what I think about him. First big post #991- summary of two players. Doesn't tell us anything about him really Immediately insinuates a townread on VE due to meta. #1014 RUX/DiSFO early scumread #1044 Calix. Bad case. Not necessarily alignment indicative on its own but a bad case. "I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts." It looks like a bad case to me. This answer is scummy. The thing about my cases is you shouldn't really listen to them or bring them up later???? #1638 Thinks bugs made a good case on ruxx #1096 BUGS: He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Can see how that looks like a good case. DOESN'T FIT WITH THIS: HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both The changing read hadn't changed by this point. iGrock was still saying he liked Bugs' case on Ruxx. 13 minutes later he calls ruxx a townie for admitting to having trouble making reads. This read progression makes no sense to me. With the chaos of day 1, particularly in a high post volume game, I can't see any reason why I would about turn on a scumread because they admitted not being able to make reads. That's well within mafia range. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Jockmcplop
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Calix
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On May 24 2019 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: good chat. ends here. You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!" maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 24 2019 21:24 Calix wrote: You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either. maybe you just lack reading comprehension or more likely like to twist things into your narrative. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Calix
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On May 24 2019 21:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry for repeating your points hf but I think that last bit is new. I don't think that last point is what makes iGrok mafia. Disformation and myself had doubts on ruxxar for a similar reason IIRC. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 24 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with. You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right? | ||
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