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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 11:40 GMT
#3101
On May 24 2019 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2019 18:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy shit it has links in it to different parts of the case. Just lacks a nicely formatted table of contents. 8/10.

I'd say 7/5

7/50?

no, learntoread
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2019 11:41 GMT
#3102
On May 24 2019 20:37 Holyflare wrote:
Is there any reason you are saving Calix who was your mafia read for the entire game to lynch Artanis other than that he cased bugs?

Not saving. I can see mafia bc artanis hf set up a tvt with Calix and iGrok.

Or saw. BC was ok ish last time and I still trust wbg.

And if iGrok is mafia you probably arent. (20%)
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2019 11:41 GMT
#3103
On May 24 2019 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:01 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2019 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2019 18:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy shit it has links in it to different parts of the case. Just lacks a nicely formatted table of contents. 8/10.

I'd say 7/5

7/50?

no, learntoread

I dont get it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2019 11:42 GMT
#3104
Also I can read. I just skip difficult words and long sentences.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 11:43 GMT
#3105
On May 24 2019 20:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
I appreciate your candour, thank you for replying with your well articulated and thought out response.

Let's not kid ourselves.

Mafia vzry easily could be Artanis iGrok Calix and we are just being dumbasses waiting and spamming 3 cycles till we win but if those 3 are not all mafia town needs to be prepared.


I mean, I'd sure like you to at least comment on iGrok and take a stance. If you think he could be town and I'm looking in the wrong direction or something then be my guest and explain that. It's not particularly helpful having a yappy dog just undermining your stances in the thread every so often. You're also making Jock paranoid and looking in the wrong places and wasting his precious time focusing on me when he could be learning how to find and case mafia! (which tbh he is doing on Artanis so not all that bad really!). I am a lot more sure on iGrok after he essentially rebutted my case by saying I was town than I am on Artanis and Calix.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2019 11:46 GMT
#3106
On May 24 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:39 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
I appreciate your candour, thank you for replying with your well articulated and thought out response.

Let's not kid ourselves.

Mafia vzry easily could be Artanis iGrok Calix and we are just being dumbasses waiting and spamming 3 cycles till we win but if those 3 are not all mafia town needs to be prepared.


I mean, I'd sure like you to at least comment on iGrok and take a stance. If you think he could be town and I'm looking in the wrong direction or something then be my guest and explain that. It's not particularly helpful having a yappy dog just undermining your stances in the thread every so often. You're also making Jock paranoid and looking in the wrong places and wasting his precious time focusing on me when he could be learning how to find and case mafia! (which tbh he is doing on Artanis so not all that bad really!). I am a lot more sure on iGrok after he essentially rebutted my case by saying I was town than I am on Artanis and Calix.

This game is going into the right direction unledd iGrok flips town because then you are mafia. (80%)

So everything is fine as it is.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 11:49 GMT
#3107
Is that a roundabout way of saying you think he's actually mafia? :D
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2019 11:51 GMT
#3108
On May 24 2019 20:49 Holyflare wrote:
Is that a roundabout way of saying you think he's actually mafia? :D

No
I had a good night of sleep.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10021 Posts
May 24 2019 11:51 GMT
#3109
Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..

I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.

Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid.
I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 11:52 GMT
#3110
On May 24 2019 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:49 Holyflare wrote:
Is that a roundabout way of saying you think he's actually mafia? :D

No


I'll take it! Thanks for your support and glowing recommendation! :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 11:53 GMT
#3111
Can some Artanis specialist like disfo explain Artanis' read on bugs in some brief timeline like manner and where he stands on bugs now?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 24 2019 11:53 GMT
#3112
i think its more like:
he thinks you are likely scum, but its not 100% sure (yet)
while grok might be scum (not _that likely_ but also not impossible)
and while is not super happy with the grok lynch he is begrudgingly willingly to see the flip, for the offchance he was wrong, or as a confirmation he was right

something like this koshi?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 11:54 GMT
#3113
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..

I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.

Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid.
I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...


I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2019 11:57 GMT
#3114
On May 24 2019 20:53 disformation wrote:
i think its more like:
he thinks you are likely scum, but its not 100% sure (yet)
while grok might be scum (not _that likely_ but also not impossible)
and while is not super happy with the grok lynch he is begrudgingly willingly to see the flip, for the offchance he was wrong, or as a confirmation he was right

something like this koshi?

Good stuff. Tis true.
I had a good night of sleep.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10021 Posts
May 24 2019 11:59 GMT
#3115
On May 24 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..

I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.

Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid.
I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...


I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.


You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'.

You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can.

Why shouldn't I be paranoid?
RIP Meatloaf <3
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:03 GMT
#3116
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.

I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.

In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.

[...]

I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.

I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...

I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.

table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 12:05 GMT
#3117
On May 24 2019 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..

I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.

Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid.
I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...


I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.


You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'.

You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can.

Why shouldn't I be paranoid?


It was never deliberately, I simply didn't have time.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10021 Posts
May 24 2019 12:07 GMT
#3118
On May 24 2019 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 24 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..

I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.

Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid.
I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...


I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.


You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'.

You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can.

Why shouldn't I be paranoid?


It was never deliberately, I simply didn't have time.


Fair play, its irrelevant right now anyway.


RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 24 2019 12:08 GMT
#3119
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.

I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.

In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.

[...]

I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.

I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...

I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.



It's not just LOGICALLY correct it's identical to that case you made in that one game ages ago where you had to draw a picture of a timeline and confirmed them mafia.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 24 2019 12:09 GMT
#3120
On May 24 2019 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..

I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.

Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid.
I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that.
I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...


I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.


You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'.

You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can.

Why shouldn't I be paranoid?

think that is just part of the play style and fun some of the "veteran" players have here.
They like to project confidence (or are just that confident) as that helps them to achieve their goals, regardless of alignment.
Just take a look of rayn, koshi and hf. All three are usually very confident in their reads and it takes solid arguments to convince them otherwise.

so can this be scum!hf trying to steer town in a bad direct? yes.
can also be town!hf saying: "i need to step up my game so we actually lynch scum here".
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