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Feel free to shoot him if that's true mafia.
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On May 24 2019 17:16 Holyflare wrote:
My guess is that koshi saved me and he's pretending I'm mafia to avoid suspicion.
Lies and slander.
I would never save you.
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On May 24 2019 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote:I don't hate the artanis pressure but why is there no igrok pressure?  There probably will be. I've read what I've read so far and I haven't read iGrock properly. It'll happen before day 2 ends I promise you, but I'm not doing off the cuff scumhunting any more because I'm not very good at it, I need to prepare and read and get my facts straight and I'm a bit dumb so that takes time and effort.
Luckily I made a giant case for you with a tldr that you've ignored?
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On May 24 2019 17:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote:I don't hate the artanis pressure but why is there no igrok pressure? There probably will be. I've read what I've read so far and I haven't read iGrock properly. It'll happen before day 2 ends I promise you, but I'm not doing off the cuff scumhunting any more because I'm not very good at it, I need to prepare and read and get my facts straight and I'm a bit dumb so that takes time and effort. Luckily I made a giant case for you with a tldr that you've ignored?
NOPE. Not doing it.
I'm gonna filter him and then see if I need to pressure him. Probably tonight or this afternoon if I lazily leave work at lunchtime. Read what I wrote above and think about it.
There's a reason I don't wanna look at your case and go straight into pressure on someone.
I make mistakes when I do that and end up looking like scum. Contradictions happen if I'm not prepared, just look at what you caught me out with on day 1.
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Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
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On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
I will because he needs looking at if you're gonna go for the lynch.
Just so you know, though, saying "congrats you pressured me you're town" doesn't make me suddenly think "Oh shit, hf must be town."
That's gonna need more than just one big long day of pressure on iGrock.
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On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote:Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HFSo he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ????HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in readsThen he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game  What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia?
Points to take away from this:
He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread.
VE
HF is overreacting
Buuuut its ok to kill rayn
rayn and wbg are unlynchable
Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating
igrok is blue or red
if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other.
Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE.
On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote:
Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly).
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
No VE. Nowhere.
The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
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On May 24 2019 17:47 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia. I will because he needs looking at if you're gonna go for the lynch. Just so you know, though, saying "congrats you pressured me you're town" doesn't make me suddenly think "Oh shit, hf must be town." That's gonna need more than just one big long day of pressure on iGrock.
A big long day of pressure on iGrock is what you're going to get.
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On May 24 2019 17:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Can we talk about Artanis??? I mentioned this yesterday but can someone tell me how this case on Bugs is worth a lynch at all???? I mean did Artanis think this was strong enough to lynch Bugs off the back of it? I dunno its the biggest read/explanation post he's made so far in the whole game and it just doesn't work logically. Bugs is mafia because he is defensive and closed minded? Please. They aren't even mafia traits are they? I can kinda see where he's coming from when he says that bugs isn't giving solid reads (not in this post) but this case is just LAME. Similarly the BC case just looks like waffle to me. Can't he do something better than this just to stop us from lynching him? Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo
yeah art kinda waffling of bc is super strange to me.
like if art is scum and bc is town its like a free pass to continue to tunnel and complain that nooene listened to his case? like how he scummed calix and ve for liking his case and not voting bc?
if both are scum it makes some sense to waffle off the case before it gains traction again? but then it makes no sense that bc just stays on art when the threat sentiment is on art? though maybe art fucked up the nightactions and bc is mad at him? the fuck do i know
would like bc more if he would have posted some more reads/conclusions yesterday...
like i know its maybe rich coming from me, but _some_ sort of conclusion to either:
On May 24 2019 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also for anyone who hasn't and plans to filter dive rayn, its long and painful. Especially when comparing it to other games -_-
On May 24 2019 08:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.
Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.
Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.
It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies. Thats fair, I appreciate the input.
would have been grand
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On May 24 2019 18:15 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 17:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Can we talk about Artanis??? I mentioned this yesterday but can someone tell me how this case on Bugs is worth a lynch at all???? I mean did Artanis think this was strong enough to lynch Bugs off the back of it? I dunno its the biggest read/explanation post he's made so far in the whole game and it just doesn't work logically. Bugs is mafia because he is defensive and closed minded? Please. They aren't even mafia traits are they? I can kinda see where he's coming from when he says that bugs isn't giving solid reads (not in this post) but this case is just LAME. Similarly the BC case just looks like waffle to me. Can't he do something better than this just to stop us from lynching him? On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo yeah art kinda waffling of bc is super strange to me. like if art is scum and bc is town its like a free pass to continue to tunnel and complain that nooene listened to his case? like how he scummed calix and ve for liking his case and not voting bc? if both are scum it makes some sense to waffle off the case before it gains traction again? but then it makes no sense that bc just stays on art when the threat sentiment is on art? though maybe art fucked up the nightactions and bc is mad at him? the fuck do i know would like bc more if he would have posted some more reads/conclusions yesterday... like i know its maybe rich coming from me, but _some_ sort of conclusion to either: Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also for anyone who hasn't and plans to filter dive rayn, its long and painful. Especially when comparing it to other games -_- Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 08:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.
Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.
Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.
It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies. Thats fair, I appreciate the input. would have been grand
I'm going to read BC today when I do iGrock because I haven't properly read either of those yet. When I do I'll try and answer some of your posts that you made yesterday about him.
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On May 24 2019 18:18 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:15 disformation wrote:On May 24 2019 17:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Can we talk about Artanis??? I mentioned this yesterday but can someone tell me how this case on Bugs is worth a lynch at all???? I mean did Artanis think this was strong enough to lynch Bugs off the back of it? I dunno its the biggest read/explanation post he's made so far in the whole game and it just doesn't work logically. Bugs is mafia because he is defensive and closed minded? Please. They aren't even mafia traits are they? I can kinda see where he's coming from when he says that bugs isn't giving solid reads (not in this post) but this case is just LAME. Similarly the BC case just looks like waffle to me. Can't he do something better than this just to stop us from lynching him? On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo yeah art kinda waffling of bc is super strange to me. like if art is scum and bc is town its like a free pass to continue to tunnel and complain that nooene listened to his case? like how he scummed calix and ve for liking his case and not voting bc? if both are scum it makes some sense to waffle off the case before it gains traction again? but then it makes no sense that bc just stays on art when the threat sentiment is on art? though maybe art fucked up the nightactions and bc is mad at him? the fuck do i know would like bc more if he would have posted some more reads/conclusions yesterday... like i know its maybe rich coming from me, but _some_ sort of conclusion to either: On May 24 2019 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also for anyone who hasn't and plans to filter dive rayn, its long and painful. Especially when comparing it to other games -_- On May 24 2019 08:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.
Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.
Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.
It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies. Thats fair, I appreciate the input. would have been grand I'm going to read BC today when I do iGrock because I haven't properly read either of those yet. When I do I'll try and answer some of your posts that you made yesterday about him.
cool
would appreciate the input
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I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now.
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Holy shit it has links in it to different parts of the case. Just lacks a nicely formatted table of contents. 8/10.
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On May 24 2019 18:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now.
Can you respond to #3011 and the few posts after please??
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On May 24 2019 18:36 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now. Can you respond to #3011 and the few posts after please??
I just looked over it and I don't see any questions in it addressed to me? Obviously I believed in what I said. Your 'questions' read more like convictions so I dunno what you want from me really. I've already had part of my BC and WBG cases rebutted and now I'm looking into where to go from here.
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On May 24 2019 18:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 18:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm here, gonna read HF's massive dump on iGrok now. Can you respond to #3011 and the few posts after please?? I just looked over it and I don't see any questions in it addressed to me? Obviously I believed in what I said. Your 'questions' read more like convictions so I dunno what you want from me really. I've already had part of my BC and WBG cases rebutted and now I'm looking into where to go from here.
ok
Maybe we can pick this up later depending on what we both have to say about iGrock...
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I don't like it though. The ideas you use to read WBG should have also lead to other reads imo that you failed to make. Defensive, closed minded behaviour has been on display more than anything else in this game, I don't get why only one guy gets called out for it.
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On May 24 2019 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't like it though. The ideas you use to read WBG should have also lead to other reads imo that you failed to make. Defensive, closed minded behaviour has been on display more than anything else in this game, I don't get why only one guy gets called out for it.
Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before.
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On May 24 2019 18:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't like it though. The ideas you use to read WBG should have also lead to other reads imo that you failed to make. Defensive, closed minded behaviour has been on display more than anything else in this game, I don't get why only one guy gets called out for it. Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before.
Yes but I'm at work so serching through the thread is a pain.
You gonna be here in about 2 hours?
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On May 24 2019 18:47 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't like it though. The ideas you use to read WBG should have also lead to other reads imo that you failed to make. Defensive, closed minded behaviour has been on display more than anything else in this game, I don't get why only one guy gets called out for it. Can you point out to me who you're thinking of exactly? I may be able to point out the difference in tone as to why it struck me with WBG whereas it didn't with others. It may also be that I simply wasn't around at the time or have a different meta read on others, as there's plenty of players in the game I've played with many times before. Yes but I'm at work so serching through the thread is a pain. You gonna be here in about 2 hours?
Nope, got a late shift tonight for which I need to leave around that time but I'll be around more on Saturday for sure.
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