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right we can pick this up then I'm in no rush. Have fun reading iGrock.
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On May 24 2019 13:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
You guys got host fucked in Storm too but that was labeled as a hard tame to start. Also fuck this game -_- Storm mafia was one of the biggest middle fingers to scum ever. Just glad third party won.
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On May 24 2019 17:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'VE SEEN DEFENSIVE, CLOSED MINDED TOWNIES IN THIS FUCKING GAME AND THEY DIDN'T GET CALLED OUT BY ARTANIS
YOU'RE MY FUCKING BOY BLUE!!!!!
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Totally satisfied with iGrok/Artanis day. Aynone not voting for one of these people SUCKS lol jk but really vote one of those two people plz.
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Koshi, just keep doing you bubby. And keep that jail on Rayn.
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Points I like in HF's case:
Summary posts on HF/VE for seemingly no reason. Seems like posting for the sake of posting.
His case on Calix being scum being more of a towncase
iGrok scumreading HF for things he townread him for earlier
Not trying to figure out between Calix/HF who scum is.
Doesn't seem to have townie uncertainty (was 'proven' wrong in Calix/HF not being able to be scum together, still feels it has to be his top scumread and the others have to be town)
Points I don't care about:
Calling HF/Calix dumbtown over the vote thing. I feel like it's more him calling them 'dumb' for doing things he disliked and caused him to scumread them to begin with.
Points I dislike:
Fake vote. People do stupid shit in the early game for no reason. He didn't try to claim any kind of cred for it either.
Implying iGrok called Rux boring. He only did so for Disfo, so it isn't inconsistent that he has a 'hidden thought' on him.
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I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
"Look guys I did a townie thing please notice!"
Something else I noticed:
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:
[...]I dont have a strong read on BC [...]
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
Also the iGrok defense post doesn't really do much for me. He posts about how tunneling is bad despite tunneling HF since mid day 1, which is part of HF's case.
You have my sword.
##Unvote
##Vote iGrok
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Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia?
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So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
He never said ruxxar became more townie? Just that calix and myself overtook him apparently. The part about his picture showing VE as red is even better though.
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On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia?
It hurts me to hear you ask this 
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On May 24 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote:Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HFSo he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ????HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in readsThen he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game  What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia? Points to take away from this: He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread. Show nested quote +
VE
HF is overreacting
Buuuut its ok to kill rayn
rayn and wbg are unlynchable
Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating
igrok is blue or red
if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other.
Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote:
Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly). HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. No VE. Nowhere. The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
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I agree, finding VE suspicious is TOTALLY a mafia trait.
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On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this
Oh no it doesn't you get out.
Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that.
Also the points against you are salient.
Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.
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On May 24 2019 19:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
He never said ruxxar became more townie? Just that calix and myself overtook him apparently. The part about his picture showing VE as red is even better though.
What I mean is that in my first quote, there are only two players scummier than Rux: You and Calix. By the second post, he's saying that other active players have become more scummy relatively to him due to their activity. Yet, he never mentions these mysterious people.
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On May 24 2019 19:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote:Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HFSo he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ????HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in readsThen he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia? Points to take away from this: He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread.
VE
HF is overreacting
Buuuut its ok to kill rayn
rayn and wbg are unlynchable
Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating
igrok is blue or red
if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other.
Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE. On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote:
Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean? NAI = not alignment indicative Where’s your vote landing today? None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly). HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. No VE. Nowhere. The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
Do you KNOW what the best part about this case is? The fact he doesn't scum read VE in the early game reads list quoted here but has points from d1 VE highlighted red means he either:
A) Changed this read on VE between those 2 posts but never said
B) Has just colour coded things after the fact
But do you know what's more hilarious? The fact that he's posting this screenshot NOW as proof that he's updating the reads means HE TOOK THIS SCREENSHOT AT LEAST BEFORE HIS READS LIST OF HF, CALIX, RUX, ARTANIS, BC SO IT'S ALREADY A PREPREPARED SCREENSHOT.
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On May 24 2019 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this Oh no it doesn't you get out. Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that. Also the points against you are salient. Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.
You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray.
Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
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Right after this commercial break, as he realizes he needs to make lunch, prepare dinner and prepare to leave for work.
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On May 24 2019 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this Oh no it doesn't you get out. Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that. Also the points against you are salient. Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look. You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray. Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here?
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On May 24 2019 19:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this Oh no it doesn't you get out. Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that. Also the points against you are salient. Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look. You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray. Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them. How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here?
I asked for the obs QT because Tina was in the game and I wanted to taunt her with knowing what people were talking about. It doesn't mean I actually followed the game lol, just what she vented at to me.
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On May 24 2019 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this Oh no it doesn't you get out. Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that. Also the points against you are salient. Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look. You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray. Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
Your wife is surely mafia too. 
Blue just posted a big one, how you scumread iGrok? maybe for something that a LOT of people in town are currently guilty of, why specifically iGrok? Why not like for example me or Bugs? I'm even one of the three people Bugs wants people to tell him in his game!
I'm not hitting you for activity, that was mostly just to annoy you. I find you way less townie than I've seen you in other games, it's almost entirely feels on my end.
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On May 24 2019 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 19:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia? It hurts me to hear you ask this Oh no it doesn't you get out. Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that. Also the points against you are salient. Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look. You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray. Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them. How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here? I asked for the obs QT because Tina was in the game and I wanted to taunt her with knowing what people were talking about. It doesn't mean I actually followed the game lol, just what she vented at to me.
What is she reading this game too? XD
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