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On May 05 2019 03:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:40 Grackaroni wrote:On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain. On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? On May 04 2019 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game. This is bullshit. Holyflare was the person pushing people the hardest outside of maybe Rayn and Bugs acknowledged that earlier unprompted.. I don't understand how you can go from Holyflare is leading the thread to Holyflare isn't pushing people aggressively and is just opportunistic.
also note there's a difference between leading wagons and leading scum hunting.
Mafia lead wagons all the fucking time, I do this myself. Mafia obviously don't scum hunt.
HF never led any scum hunting because if you read his posts it's abundantly clear he's not trying to figure out the game. He's not working from a position of limited information. If he were working with limited information, he would work harder to establish relationships with other townies. Sure, he might have doubts on reading them but he would actively seek out those interactions and try to build an understanding of how the game works.
Compare how HF interacted with rayn to how I interacted with rayn. Or compare how HF interacts with literally any of myself, VE, or BC, and then compare how the three of myself, VE, and BC interact with each other.
Both mafia and town can lead and push lynches on people from the background, i.e. by sowing opinions in others and taking advantage of opportunities. I don't believe that town HF operates that way though, town HF is far more direct than he is in this game.
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Where have I misrepresented any of these people?
Jock, played extremely differently to any of his games. My meta was correct, it just didn't make him mafia.
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On May 03 2019 04:42 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 03:16 Pandain wrote:On May 02 2019 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2019 00:44 Pandain wrote: FIXED POST I am confused about why Jock suddenly became an asshole in this thread when the last two games he was super nice and if anything apologetic. Also his blogs are fun to read so I'm sort of shocked. I don't think he's a bad lynch and might switch to him if the votes are close. Also this is concerning: On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote: On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote: On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote: On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? You gonna ignore my previous post? You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions: Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie? Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead. In addition to that, let's see your reads. #1 priority as town for me is finding scum. And then proceedes to be super lukewarm about scum reads and doesn't scumhunt at all. You really think mafia claims this and then does the complete opposite? You'd need to be really dumb if you didn't realise this is exactly where it gets you and i wouldn't say that's a really good strategy. But it's okay, maybe the 70% of the game can talk about something else after D1 since you're gonna have your lynch. Mafia literally does it all the time. It's precisely inherently mafia to say good things and then not do them or follow them On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
Also more importantly it's not a dumb silly contradiction that could be overlooked. It's a mindset contradiction On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
I mean he could be town perhaps even likely. Im not even voting him. But it's day 1 so do what you do On May 02 2019 03:37 Pandain wrote:
Why are you not against the lynch when you said there was only a five percent chance he's scum On May 02 2019 03:38 Pandain wrote:
That makes no sense and is super scummy regardless of jocks alignment On May 02 2019 04:01 Pandain wrote:
If you think there's almost no chance someone is scum why are you perfectly okay with his lynch This guy is suspect numero uno. Anybody that uses the phrase "that's scummy regardless of Jock's alignment" is a guy that has tmi and makes it want to look like he's weighing up his options. Let us also not forget that he agreed with all the points on Jock, fought against rayn that jock looked scummy, said rayn was scummy for not trying to save his town read and then dropped it all to try and shenanigan with rayn. Let us also not forget that Pandain wanted to lynch rels (based on incorrect meta that was highlighted several times already) despite a wagon building on Jock, his also scum read, to make rels active again. Then when that didn't take off, Pandain, master of misdirection, avoided joining the jock wagon (his scum read) again for terrible shenanigans. Then when Jock, his scum read, flipped town (after pandain said he's probably town for no discernable reason why arguing that he was still mafia) Pandain decides to call the entire wagon on Jock, his scum read, and also maybe town read, mafia. No thanks. You mafia mate. Lynch Pandain when I'm gone. Decent argument but unfortunately it fails to keep in mind one key thing. It's day 1, and any of my reads are weak. So yes, I agreed with Jock playing weird and even suspiciously. I stated as such and even stated that I don't think he was a bad lynch. But that doesn't mean I was completely or even [b] mostly [b] convinced he was mafia. And when you're saying that I was trying to get Rels lynched despite being suspicious of jock, you totally fail to fucking realize I was more suspicious of rels than jock, so your whole argument is moot because I wanted to lynch someone who I thought was more suspicious. So when I switched to someone rayn pointed out was actually a good chance of being mafia , vivax, of course I finally switched and stayed. Also yes I read that rels sucks as day 1 even as town, but honestly I personally don't know that and I never really just "trust" people on what they say about other's people's metas. All I know is Rels played like how he did exactly when he was mafia with me. But especially as he didn't post at all by the end of the day, which is very different than just lurking for mosting of it, I didn't really feel confident with him either and that would just be a chance lynch. And I grew more convinced Jock was town near the end because of the complete lack of activity (there was only me and grack and rayn for the last hour), which doesn't seem like it would be likely if jock was mafia.
That's his rebuttal to my case. He essentially agrees to the premise of it, doesn't say I've cherry picked anything or created a narrative and then just explains his thought process. If the guy I accuse doesn't say it's cherry picked why do other people? Sure, I don't necessarily see eye to eye with Pandain at this point but it's not cherry picked or opportunistic or any of those words. It's a simple accusation.
Push on bugs opportunistic? Dude is scummy af looking tbh.
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On May 05 2019 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
Where have I misrepresented any of these people?
Jock, played extremely differently to any of his games. My meta was correct, it just didn't make him mafia.
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On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did.
Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere.
I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia :
Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever.
Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard.
No way do I ever do the first. Never.
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I am heading to my sisters to babysit my niece so I may be able to phone post right around the deadline otherwise I am out for a bit.
I believe in you Bugs and VE
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So sorry if I wrongly accused you of using the words cherry picked but those words get thrown around a lot bc. I haven't cherry picked and if I do it is absolutely not intentionally and is just a result of me quickly phone posting thoughts and quotes while viewing houses and visiting parents.
If I do then just let me know and I'll correct myself. I did it d1 straight away when I caught myself accusing you in regards to jock and I'd do it again wherever necessary.
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Holyflare where's your partner? You got fucking fucked guy, is it Grack? He's the ONLY ONE trying to save you.
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Uninspired Day 2 Vote Count
Holyflare (5): wherebugsgo, wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, BloodyC0bbler, Pandain, Meapak_Ziphh
Pandain (3): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Fecalfeast, BloodyC0bbler, Alakaslam, Holyflare, wherebugsgo, Grackaroni
wherebugsgo (1): Koshi, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Holyflare
BloodyC0bbler (0): Pandain
Not voted (1): Rels
Holyflare is set to be lynched!
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On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:
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This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never.
I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here.
But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.
Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim.
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I hope it's not MZ and you're trying to bus him, I'd be pretty disappoint.
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On May 05 2019 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I hope it's not MZ and you're trying to bus him, I'd be pretty disappoint.
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HF, desperately voting MZ at this hour is not going to save him from being lynched tomorrow
You should just concede now and save yourself further embarrassment
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On May 05 2019 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:I kinda felt like you twisted the narrative with all the "that was obviously a joke" and "I'm a cop with a redcheck" and "I'm buying a house I won't be around" Like, it just seems to me like you're playing dishonestly. Rayn tried to talk to you about bugs on N1 and you trolled all over him. I'm actually a little relieved mafia killed rayn because he was going to go ape shit on D2 and we were ALL going to have to deal with that, I'm surprised mafia even bothered. But they did, and your VERY FIRST WORDS were Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 07:02 Holyflare wrote:On May 03 2019 07:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
Vivax literally only mentions FF and MZ in his filter. I think FF is 100% town Okay, I'll just make this quick and painless for you. wherebugsgo ....like sure, you were "reaction testing" or whatever with a fake-claim - I get it - but it just seems REEEEEEEALY convenient that Rayn dies with bugs name on his lips and the VERY FIRST thing you do, and REALLY THE ONLY THING YOU DO THIS DAY is try to get bugs lynched through one means or another.
Have you read my n1 posts....? It's literally accusing bugs all night.
I can't help if you feel I'm playing dishonestly. It's really not the case:
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If there's one thing I just like doing in my mafia games above all it's having fun, trolling people sometimes (sometimes a lot).
It gets into these spots sure but at least I have fun doing it in an environment that often gets heated.
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I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively.
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On May 05 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare where's your partner? You got fucking fucked guy, is it Grack? He's the ONLY ONE trying to save you.
Ergo.... Nobody is saving me
Thus my alignment must be....
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Even if HF ends up being mafia I still think the meta read is wrong because I'm used to some aggressive scum games from HF.
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On May 05 2019 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare where's your partner? You got fucking fucked guy, is it Grack? He's the ONLY ONE trying to save you. Ergo.... Nobody is saving me Thus my alignment must be....
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On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively.
grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do
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On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:
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how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never. I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here. But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim.
Can people stop saying this like they know my meta. I can't think of a single game (maybe one but I'm not even sure if it's exactly one or not) in 100+ games where I have actually fake claimed a role as mafia but I can think of almost every game that I have as town.
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