On May 05 2019 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh ok.
From the last page I thought you were the leader.
Oh ok.
From the last page I thought you were the leader.
TBH I more or less started the push on you.
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
May 04 2019 18:19 GMT
#1161
On May 05 2019 03:17 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Not my case I was convinced. Bugs slash BC case Oh ok. From the last page I thought you were the leader. TBH I more or less started the push on you. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
May 04 2019 18:20 GMT
#1162
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 18:20 GMT
#1163
On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
May 04 2019 18:22 GMT
#1164
On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. +1 feel like all the effort being posted atm is only cause his head is on the line. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 18:22 GMT
#1165
On May 05 2019 03:15 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:03 Pandain wrote: On May 05 2019 02:16 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Pandain. After rereading his filter I don't like that he makes such a hard turn into being super sure Vivax is the best lynch at the end of the day and tries to milk the credit for voting him for all that it's worth. Rayn put him in a spot where he pretty much had to vote Vivax but there wasn't much chance of Vivax actually dying at the end of the day when the only people posting were me/Pandain/Rayn. None of this is true. First of all I had a strong scum read on him, but it wasn't "certain" by any means . Second, Rayn didn't put me in any position and I'm not sure what this means at all. I could have easily not tried to change the lynch, or lynch bugs (Rayn top scum read), or just go afk. So this is completely false. Third, we had no idea how much chance there was. Normally end of day is very active and inactive people come back last 20 or so minutes. There were four non voters which us huge. Your end of day 1 posts read heavily to me like you knew Vivax would flip scum later in the game and wanted your vote on him to look good. You asked Rayn if he would switch to Rels. He said he the only vote he would switch to was Vivax. It would look really strange imo if you came out against lynching Vivax after expressing interest in switching up the vote, so I don't see you ever not voting Vivax as scum in that position. If you wanted a WBG lynch then conceivably you would have voted him already. For the third part, I think it was pretty clear from the game being 20 pages long and me/Rayn/you being the only ones there that there wasn't going to be a sudden urge of interest in the last ten minutes. I think you misread what happened, maybe because you only looked at filters. Rayn said he only wanted to lynch bugs (me) or Vivax. Pandain says he didn’t want to vote me so he picked Vivax. Go back and reread this, it’s not a point against Pandain, because Vivax was not the only choice presented. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:28 GMT
#1166
On May 05 2019 03:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Did you not read the thread? I think I was pretty clear when the entire you becoming a lynch was appearing with where I was coming from. Did I outright accuse you? no. Instead I discussed the possibility with the other people in the thread and we came to a consensus. You claiming Vet tbh is more or less a non issue as any claim you make in thread I just dont believe. I can't given your track record. I did read the thread and that is why I'm questioning yoir motives because out of everyone your posts were the most cherry picked out of context ones. You accused me of having a weird vote on Pandain which wasn't weird because I was vet and there is simply no other explanation for that unless I was mafia and simply planning to claim vet all along which is what you must now claim I had to have been doing but haven't actually claimed that. You just haven't really used logic to put that part of the puzzle together. You cherry picked my easy game post which was out of context and to do with my fake cop check. You then said I should be able to show why Pandain is mafia through his own words and not my twisted turn of events but at no point have you EVER highlighted where my accusation of Pandain is incorrect AT ALL. In fact people keep saying my accusation of Pandain was wrong WHEN THE DUDE HIMSELF CAME AND SAID IT WAS RIGHT. How twisted do you have to be to twist that accusation. My case is simply pandain said he thought jock was scummy and never actually voted for him. Which is true. Cold hard facts my friend. If you think otherwise please point me in the direction to where I twisted this into the narrative you claim. Pandain's defence is that it's true he did that but it was day 1 and his scum read wasn't really that secure and he believed his meta on rels was better despite everyone telling him it was wrong. His defence is literally that he didn't believe other people knew rels afkd as town and then he wanted another lynch than Jock. That's fine. He is entitled to that view and I am not saying he can't be town with that view. I am simply saying his hesitance on voting jock is way more likely from mafia pandain than town. Coupled with what I also added, that Pandain was way too eager to claim credit for vivax flipping I think it's a solid case. Why have you never commented on it? I don't even know what you think of Pandain. All I see was a circle jerk of yoj, mafia bugs and VE cherry picking content and then throwing out useless and wrong accusations. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:30 GMT
#1167
On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 18:30 GMT
#1168
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:31 GMT
#1169
On May 05 2019 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: At this point both of MZ and Pandain would have to switch off HF to sway the lynch imo. I think it's probably safe. I'm still waiting for you. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 18:31 GMT
#1170
On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 18:32 GMT
#1171
On May 05 2019 02:23 Grackaroni wrote: From the way I saw it Vivax was a pretty good lynch just from lynching into a player that wasn't posting (and also is bad at scum) without having any strong scum reads but I didn't think he had all that much better odds of flipping mafia than most of the other players from just his two posts. I think Pandain really played up the end of the day vote after Rayn said he wanted to vote Vivax. This reads to me like: "now that I'm bussing I want to get as much credit as possible from the vote." Show nested quote + On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote: Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") Show nested quote + On May 02 2019 04:53 Pandain wrote: Grack join the train. You know me and you are mafia bros. Let's lynch scum together. Show nested quote + On May 02 2019 04:54 Pandain wrote: Who else is here? There's gotta be mafia lurking. Show nested quote + On May 02 2019 04:57 Pandain wrote: Fuck I think Vivax was the best lynch actually. Where is everyone. There are several things wrong with this analysis. First of all, and most basically, none of the first 4 posts are alignment indicative. If you want to argue the fifth post makes Pandain look like scum, and this is really the crux of the argument here, you have to do several things, the first of which is assuming Pandain is scum. Sure, if you assume Pandain is scum, that looks like a scummy thing to say. However, we all know this is not how you scumhunt because you don't assume your premise before you go looking for evidence of it, that's called confirming your bias. If you don't assume Pandain is scum and you want to figure out his alignment, you look at the evidence and say, "Does this make sense from a mafia agenda?" and "Does this only make sense from a mafia agenda?". Typically, affirmative answers to the first question are useful hints but not conclusive, and actually a lot of affirmative answers to "does this make sense from a mafia agenda" are just red herrings. However, affirmative answers to the second question are like gold, because they're so hard to find. I think it's fair to say you are reading far too much into it if you believe that last quote only makes sense from a mafia perspective. Townies lament failed lynches all the time, especially close to the deadline, regardless of whether they end up correct or not. Reading too much into "best" isn't really a great idea either. We have the info that Vivax would have flipped scum, but in that context any townie could say "best" referring to the viable lynches that were on the table, e.g. Jock, Vivax, and Rels. From a Pandain=town perspective, he's telling the truth, it matches the rest of his posts, and thus the statement does make sense from a town perspective and the answer to the question "does this make sense only from a mafia agenda" is no. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:33 GMT
#1172
On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 18:34 GMT
#1173
On May 05 2019 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Similarly if I were mafia, you guys would all be FUCKED. Instead, we're likely all just going to be picked off a night at a time until only lurkers remain. On May 05 2019 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: See my issue VE is I am town. But anyone who has played extensively with me as town knows my best performances include pms to bounce ideas off of. Hence how I was asking you and bugs stuff last night to make sure I wasn't seeing things in a weird bubble. Also you have no idea how much I hope both you and bugs are town. Taking a huge leap im not being fucked with. we're in this together unless either or both of you are mafia, then fuck you. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:34 GMT
#1174
On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. You're one of the people that have even perpetuated this and literally just posted about it. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 18:34 GMT
#1175
On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. I don't have to, bugs already did, I looked myself and agreed and moved my vote. You can get angry and indignant all you want, but you had an opportunity to say all this before now. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:35 GMT
#1176
On May 05 2019 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. I don't have to, bugs already did, I looked myself and agreed and moved my vote. You can get angry and indignant all you want, but you had an opportunity to say all this before now. Link me to this proof. Right now. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
May 04 2019 18:36 GMT
#1177
On May 02 2019 01:02 Pandain wrote: Dear Mr. BloodyC0bbler, I think Jock is a good lynch but I'm keeping my vote on Rels at the moment. This is exactly what he did in End of the World as mafia (as you and I both know), and I also don't like his only post that said "me too!". It just seemed fake to me. Furthermore, and maybe more importantly, it pressures him to come on in and talk. I would love if more people voted him if only for this reason. Sincerely, Pandain On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote: Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") So HF, He said he thought Jock was a good lynch, but thought Rels was a better lynch, then chose Vivax for basically the same reason. Fuck, like, He stated his reasons for voting and you are damning him for it. Based on that logic, the fact you fake claimed to kill bugs but are now pushing pandain means we should lynch you because you thought bugs was worth the fake claim. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2019 18:36 GMT
#1178
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
May 04 2019 18:36 GMT
#1179
On May 05 2019 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote: On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote: I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again. I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. I don't have to, bugs already did, I looked myself and agreed and moved my vote. You can get angry and indignant all you want, but you had an opportunity to say all this before now. Further, you just look like you're playing to my emotions now because I'm susceptible to that shit. It's not going to work. I think you're mafia based on your play, and unless you give me a viable alternative, I'm lynching you EoD. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 18:37 GMT
#1180
You should just concede now and save yourself further embarrassment | ||
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