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It's ok grack for some reason nobody knows my past vigour but they all claim they do.
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On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do
Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance.
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On May 05 2019 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:
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It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp.
Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never. I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here. But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim. Can people stop saying this like they know my meta. I can't think of a single game (maybe one but I'm not even sure if it's exactly one or not) in 100+ games where I have actually fake claimed a role as mafia but I can think of almost every game that I have as town.
lol the last time you said this you linked me to a filter of your scum QT to prove it and in the QT you were like "I'm going to claim cop lolololol."
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On May 05 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
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Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell?
I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never. I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here. But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim. Can people stop saying this like they know my meta. I can't think of a single game (maybe one but I'm not even sure if it's exactly one or not) in 100+ games where I have actually fake claimed a role as mafia but I can think of almost every game that I have as town. lol the last time you said this you linked me to a filter of your scum QT to prove it and in the QT you were like "I'm going to claim cop lolololol."
But DID I claim cop grack DID I?
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On May 05 2019 04:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:On May 05 2019 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:
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No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never. I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here. But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim. Can people stop saying this like they know my meta. I can't think of a single game (maybe one but I'm not even sure if it's exactly one or not) in 100+ games where I have actually fake claimed a role as mafia but I can think of almost every game that I have as town. lol the last time you said this you linked me to a filter of your scum QT to prove it and in the QT you were like "I'm going to claim cop lolololol." But DID I claim cop grack DID I?
Not sure I only read the QT. 
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On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance.
hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that??
rofl
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I can almost definitely say I did not.
And if I did well then at least I'm consistent in my arguments when I'm town. Even if they're wrong.
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On May 05 2019 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance. hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that?? rofl
I literally don't remember. It's certainly not the norm for people to do.
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On May 05 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance. hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that?? rofl I literally don't remember. It's certainly not the norm for people to do.
Maybe it's worth it if the votes are close but they aren't really that close and who exactly is grack trying to convince? Likely mafia and some afkers. Hardly worth it if at all.
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On May 05 2019 04:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance. hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that?? rofl I literally don't remember. It's certainly not the norm for people to do. Maybe it's worth it if the votes are close but they aren't really that close and who exactly is grack trying to convince? Likely mafia and some afkers. Hardly worth it if at all.
This doesn't even make sense but you get what I mean. It's not worth it if we're both mafia at least.
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On May 05 2019 04:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance. hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that?? rofl I literally don't remember. It's certainly not the norm for people to do. Maybe it's worth it if the votes are close but they aren't really that close and who exactly is grack trying to convince? Likely mafia and some afkers. Hardly worth it if at all.
MY POWERS OF PERSUASION COMPEL YOU.
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When did we play together as mafia bugs?
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On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again.
I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi.
Can anyone counter this mz is mafia case?
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On May 05 2019 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
When did we play together as mafia bugs?
we were on opposite teams, IIRC. I was scum with Rayn and someone else who I forget
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On May 05 2019 04:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again.
I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. Can anyone counter this mz is mafia case?
no because MZ is scum
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grack I have a quiz for you.
Can you guess HF's alignment in each of these posts?
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On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime.
Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town.
Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it.
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On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least.
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On June 05 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to think there's been any mafia motivation in my play. All I've done is call it like I've seen it. If I was wrong then fair enough, I was wrong but just because I haven't had the time to play nor come back with ferocity that you "think" I should have does not make me mafia.
It's tough for me to decide what alignment you are though because there's so much stacked up against you. I have a feeling that you're stuck in a corner and instead of natural reevaluation you did the typical mafia scenario of doubling down on your read on me because it makes the most "sense" from your perspective. The problem is it doesn't make sense. Everything you write tries to paint me as some mastermind that played for the long game yet I haven't even really been playing the game so I don't understand how you can simultaneously think both things.
It's also quite telling that you said my partner was darthfoley but didn't even look at the vote count last cycle (which you afked your vote on me in) where I actually tried (and almost succeeded) to kill darthfoley, my alleged partner as a shenanigan. What would be the point at all?
It's this lack of critical analysis combined with the most posts that I've ever seen you write (and all the day 1 vote crap) that leads me to think you are mafia.
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So grack my mafia partner is saving me while my other mafia partner put me in the lead to be lynched lol?
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I don't know I'm thinking about voting MZ.
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I know if HF is mafia I will never forgive myself
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