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Fecalfeast
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On May 02 2019 11:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: dont never let them use you..... they will bring you to your knees.... Not my style but based on this track I think you'd like Black Crown Initiate | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On May 02 2019 15:41 wherebugsgo wrote: what do you think of people trying to get you lynched? (myself included) I'm never a fan of people going for me earlygame (or ever, really) because my scum meta (based on my own memory) is one of high activity earlygame because I'm excited to have rolled mafia. As town I'm often low hanging fruit which, obviously, is self-defeating of my tendency to omgus but it doesn't seem to matter. On May 02 2019 15:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Okay, but doesn't the same thing apply to Vivax? no | ||
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On May 02 2019 15:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Not my style but based on this track I think you'd like Black Crown Initiate https://youtu.be/bIr7PFa36S4 I actually was a pretty big fan of In Flames back in highschool I'm going to look up one of the tracks I liked. I was a limewire, soulseek, etc. person back then so I usually only had a few tracks of each band I wasn't obsessed with | ||
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On May 02 2019 15:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm never a fan of people going for me earlygame (or ever, really) because my scum meta (based on my own memory) is one of high activity earlygame because I'm excited to have rolled mafia. As town I'm often low hanging fruit which, obviously, is self-defeating of my tendency to omgus but it doesn't seem to matter. no Alright, two more questions and I'll let you go. 1. Can you provide me an example game where you play mafia and one where you play town? Feel free to pick a couple that you think are illustrative of what you mean here. 2. Can you elaborate on Vivax? Why is he scummier than BC even though there is less to go on in Vivax's filter than BC? | ||
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Fecalfeast
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+ Show Spoiler [FecalFeast] + TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Zesty Italian Dressing Micro Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 1 Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2 Town Miller Survived Day 2 Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 5 V Titanic Mini Mafia: A Game of Four Hours Mafia Roleblocker Survived Night 2 VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint Town Vanilla Survived Day 5 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Vanilla Survived Night 5 PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia Town Probe Survived Day 2 Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1 Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Gunsmith Survived Day 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Vanilla Scum killed Night 3 Office Mini Mafia Town Medic Killed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia VI Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 Jack of All Trades Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 Hajime no Ippo Maifa Mafia Miguel Zale Lynched Day 2 Carnaval do Brasil Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 4 I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 4 Lost But Not Forgotten Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 2 II Cannons Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 3 The New Personality Mafia Town Glowingbear Killed Night 4 Student Mafia XV Town Veteran Survived Night 1 Student Mafia XVI Town Veteran Survived Day 5 Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Season of the Witch 2 Town Acolyte Killed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia XVIII Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Pick Your Power: Intriguing Mafia Professor Moriarty Lynched Day 2 Who Wants to be a Millionaire Cell Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 1 Team Melee Mini Mafia VI: Newbies and Vets Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Tortoise Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Newbie Mafia XXI Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Palmars Purge: Crisis and Turmoil in Liquidia Town Ash Endgamed Day 5 Liquidmania Qualifier #3 Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 TL Mafia LXXV Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 MS Paint-Off Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Hurricane Shelter Mafia Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 2 Newbie Student Mafia XXVII Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Medic Mafia Town Medic Survived Night 3 2. Vivax doesn't play when he's mafia based on my perception of him in games we've played together including one where we were both mafia | ||
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On May 02 2019 16:09 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. No, you can look through my games yourself + Show Spoiler [FecalFeast] + TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Zesty Italian Dressing Micro Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 1 Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2 Town Miller Survived Day 2 Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 5 V Titanic Mini Mafia: A Game of Four Hours Mafia Roleblocker Survived Night 2 VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint Town Vanilla Survived Day 5 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Vanilla Survived Night 5 PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia Town Probe Survived Day 2 Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1 Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Gunsmith Survived Day 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Vanilla Scum killed Night 3 Office Mini Mafia Town Medic Killed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia VI Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 Jack of All Trades Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 Hajime no Ippo Maifa Mafia Miguel Zale Lynched Day 2 Carnaval do Brasil Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 4 I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 4 Lost But Not Forgotten Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 2 II Cannons Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 3 The New Personality Mafia Town Glowingbear Killed Night 4 Student Mafia XV Town Veteran Survived Night 1 Student Mafia XVI Town Veteran Survived Day 5 Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Season of the Witch 2 Town Acolyte Killed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia XVIII Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Pick Your Power: Intriguing Mafia Professor Moriarty Lynched Day 2 Who Wants to be a Millionaire Cell Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 1 Team Melee Mini Mafia VI: Newbies and Vets Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Tortoise Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Newbie Mafia XXI Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Palmars Purge: Crisis and Turmoil in Liquidia Town Ash Endgamed Day 5 Liquidmania Qualifier #3 Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 TL Mafia LXXV Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 MS Paint-Off Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Hurricane Shelter Mafia Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 2 Newbie Student Mafia XXVII Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Medic Mafia Town Medic Survived Night 3 2. Vivax doesn't play when he's mafia based on my perception of him in games we've played together including one where we were both mafia re: 1. Actually I've already skimmed through a few of your filters as both alignments and find it hard to distinguish which one is which. Just asked you to pick a couple because I wanted to know which ones you think match what you've said. re: 2. So Vivax is your top read then, since you're not sure on BC anymore? Anyone else you consider scum? What are your thoughts on HF being wrong on Jock and then immediately pushing Pandain after the flip? | ||
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Holyflare
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On May 02 2019 10:28 wherebugsgo wrote: actually nah Pandain is not scum HF's case is pretty trash And why is that? | ||
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I don't claim to be some sort of Pandain whisperer, but here's my top 3 clickbait list: 1. Pandain's behaviour is different enough between alignments to be noticeable, at least after reading 3-4 games. As town, Pandain seems to be trying to figure things out, and tends to use a lot of conditional language/hedging. Here are a couple examples, which ones are town and which are mafia? Example 1: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 08:46 Pandain wrote: There's too much scum for me to ignore in Rayn. I'll clarify my case. I agree my case on Rayn isn't that convincg. It's based on a whole bunch of small tells. However, given the information we have now he is objectively the most scummy of everyone. WoS you think I might be scum because my reasons are crap, but okay then I guess I'm crap. Let me know why revealing a role to a person who's alignment isn't certain is town or comes from a blue role. I don't think my arguments are weak, they're non-conclusive at best but it's ultimately a matter of debate. I also think you don't like me for some reason, so I hope we can get that behind me. Or if you think I'm bad just address the arguments rather then the person. Sentinel, it's not set in stone but its at least semi-serious. Answer: + Show Spoiler + town Example 2: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 09:52 Pandain wrote: Why do you think he's town so far? I don't think effort is the town indicator you think it is, unless you're looking at something else which of course I may have missed. I don't like this by the way. I totally agree that the best canidate, in yamato's terms but it makes sense anyway, is to vote someone who wants to lynch a scum who you believe is scum. That will make my best vote, but it's not indicative. So right now, if I wasn't voting kush, I would be voting someone who is a good anazlyer probably VE because I think he's alright in the long term and is also town. Even if your town, we're not just trying to vote someone who is town. We want to vote a good analyzer because they get two votes each day. Answer: + Show Spoiler + town Example 3: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote: Fuck busy again tonight. Can't do a last post but if I die slam and onegu need to be next lynches. Grack I saw your post but meta tells like that are shit compared to actual analyses. Any good player can change their meta, and honestly people can't read meta for shit. Slam has two huge scum tells. He voted for HF and then later pushed HF for lynching palmar(extremely hypocritical and makes sense from mafia perspective). And he also, despite being very active most times, was completely "gone" during the sentinel lynch, and "convienantly" just showed up five minutes after. Yeah right. Lynch this guy. Onegu has just been scummy this whole game, pushing me for absolutely no reason (like actually none. His reason was because of a misunderstanding of acros role later shown to he false. But onegu never backtracked. And he too convienantly afked during sentinel lynch. Also I can't do analysis because g2g but his whole filter is pretty bad. If ace ever lives past night 4 he's 100% scum. Acro is town I think. Don't agree with aces analysis at all. It's not anti town mechanic because he wasn't forced to shoot anyone. Answer: + Show Spoiler + mafia I tried seeing if there is any language Pandain uses differently based on alignment, and you can try searching "think" or "don't think" in filters; I think as scum P uses words like "think" and "don't think" less often than as town but it's certainly not conclusive. Here are some numbers: + Show Spoiler + Thug life: 23 pages mafia - 1.13 don't think per page 21 don't think total 169 think 7.34 per page noir 19 pages mafia 0.78 per page 15 don't think 181 think 9.5 per page end of the world 9 pages mafia 1 per page don't think 57 think 6.3 per page time to die 30 pages town 1.35 per page 40 don't think 280 think 9.33 per page ##mafia 15 pages town 1.7 per page 26 don't think 159 think 10.6 per page 2. P's reads tend to be more consistent as scum and this matches what I'd expect of scum in general being unwilling to change reads. I think townies try to figure out the game rather than just lining up people to kill. I wouldn't expect scum P to just immediately backtrack and put me in a list of potential scum after calling me the towniest person in the game on the same day: I wouldn't at all be surprised to see two scum between BC, VE, HF, bugs, and vivax 3. P was trying to consolidate people to kill Vivax at EoD. This shows initiative and is quite a risk as scum I think-why not just sit back and watch Jock die/what purpose does it accomplish? I tend to believe that scum will look to see if there is support before trying something like that, and actually I've seen that in Pandain's past games as well: On March 14 2019 05:04 Pandain wrote: Is there still support for an MZ wagon? On March 14 2019 05:19 Pandain wrote: For the record I think Onegu should be #1 lynch but I don't see any traction coming. In that game Pandain voted MZ, but then got off MZ when there wasn't any traction and moved to Onegu (following a vote by MZ on Onegu as well, making it clearer that there was traction on Onegu). In general Pandain's vote movements were minimal even with townies getting lynched. Here Pandain was happy to move around the vote and try and get a different person lynched even last minute, regardless of support existing. | ||
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Holyflare
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On May 02 2019 18:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't claim to be some sort of Pandain whisperer, but here's my top 3 clickbait list: 1. Pandain's behaviour is different enough between alignments to be noticeable, at least after reading 3-4 games. As town, Pandain seems to be trying to figure things out, and tends to use a lot of conditional language/hedging. Here are a couple examples, which ones are town and which are mafia? Example 1: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 08:46 Pandain wrote: There's too much scum for me to ignore in Rayn. I'll clarify my case. I agree my case on Rayn isn't that convincg. It's based on a whole bunch of small tells. However, given the information we have now he is objectively the most scummy of everyone. WoS you think I might be scum because my reasons are crap, but okay then I guess I'm crap. Let me know why revealing a role to a person who's alignment isn't certain is town or comes from a blue role. I don't think my arguments are weak, they're non-conclusive at best but it's ultimately a matter of debate. I also think you don't like me for some reason, so I hope we can get that behind me. Or if you think I'm bad just address the arguments rather then the person. Sentinel, it's not set in stone but its at least semi-serious. Answer: + Show Spoiler + town Example 2: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 09:52 Pandain wrote: Why do you think he's town so far? I don't think effort is the town indicator you think it is, unless you're looking at something else which of course I may have missed. I don't like this by the way. I totally agree that the best canidate, in yamato's terms but it makes sense anyway, is to vote someone who wants to lynch a scum who you believe is scum. That will make my best vote, but it's not indicative. So right now, if I wasn't voting kush, I would be voting someone who is a good anazlyer probably VE because I think he's alright in the long term and is also town. Even if your town, we're not just trying to vote someone who is town. We want to vote a good analyzer because they get two votes each day. Answer: + Show Spoiler + town Example 3: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote: Fuck busy again tonight. Can't do a last post but if I die slam and onegu need to be next lynches. Grack I saw your post but meta tells like that are shit compared to actual analyses. Any good player can change their meta, and honestly people can't read meta for shit. Slam has two huge scum tells. He voted for HF and then later pushed HF for lynching palmar(extremely hypocritical and makes sense from mafia perspective). And he also, despite being very active most times, was completely "gone" during the sentinel lynch, and "convienantly" just showed up five minutes after. Yeah right. Lynch this guy. Onegu has just been scummy this whole game, pushing me for absolutely no reason (like actually none. His reason was because of a misunderstanding of acros role later shown to he false. But onegu never backtracked. And he too convienantly afked during sentinel lynch. Also I can't do analysis because g2g but his whole filter is pretty bad. If ace ever lives past night 4 he's 100% scum. Acro is town I think. Don't agree with aces analysis at all. It's not anti town mechanic because he wasn't forced to shoot anyone. Answer: + Show Spoiler + mafia I tried seeing if there is any language Pandain uses differently based on alignment, and you can try searching "think" or "don't think" in filters; I think as scum P uses words like "think" and "don't think" less often than as town but it's certainly not conclusive. Here are some numbers: + Show Spoiler + Thug life: 23 pages mafia - 1.13 don't think per page 21 don't think total 169 think 7.34 per page noir 19 pages mafia 0.78 per page 15 don't think 181 think 9.5 per page end of the world 9 pages mafia 1 per page don't think 57 think 6.3 per page time to die 30 pages town 1.35 per page 40 don't think 280 think 9.33 per page ##mafia 15 pages town 1.7 per page 26 don't think 159 think 10.6 per page 2. P's reads tend to be more consistent as scum and this matches what I'd expect of scum in general being unwilling to change reads. I think townies try to figure out the game rather than just lining up people to kill. I wouldn't expect scum P to just immediately backtrack and put me in a list of potential scum after calling me the towniest person in the game on the same day: 3. P was trying to consolidate people to kill Vivax at EoD. This shows initiative and is quite a risk as scum I think-why not just sit back and watch Jock die/what purpose does it accomplish? I tend to believe that scum will look to see if there is support before trying something like that, and actually I've seen that in Pandain's past games as well: In that game Pandain voted MZ, but then got off MZ when there wasn't any traction and moved to Onegu (following a vote by MZ on Onegu as well, making it clearer that there was traction on Onegu). In general Pandain's vote movements were minimal even with townies getting lynched. Here Pandain was happy to move around the vote and try and get a different person lynched even last minute, regardless of support existing. Ok, you're almost definitely mafia then. Not only did you call my CASE trash, which you haven't talked about once in this entire wall of Pandain defence but you quite conveniently also highlight points I was making in it too. Point 1. Pointless meta defence based on language he may or may not use. Point 2. He's more consistent as mafia? That's literally the point I'm saying, he's not consistent, his accusations don't align with his posts and furthermore he was hesitant at every point to lynch his mafia read and even tried to vreate shenanigans away from it but then attack everyone on it afterwards. Point 3. I do not believe for one second you went back through all of his town games and found a specific moment where he did some kind of shenanigan or whatever it is you're trying to prove. This looks almost definitively like you have cherry picked something that fits your narrative because you either have insider information on Pandain's alignment or you're trying to cover for him. Something, I might add, that he absolutely does not need. None of this addresses the case, one of these proves the case has credibility, at least from your perspective and narrative and the other is inadmissible. You maf. | ||
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Holyflare
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On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote: HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. | ||
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Point 2. He's more consistent as mafia? That's literally the point I'm saying, he's not consistent, his accusations don't align with his posts and furthermore he was hesitant at every point to lynch his mafia read and even tried to vreate shenanigans away from it but then attack everyone on it afterwards. Yes, he's more consistent as mafia, he's not as consistent in this game == I don't think he's mafia in this game. I have no idea how you take me saying P is consistent as scum to mean that P being inconsistent in this game means P should be scum. Point 3. I do not believe for one second you went back through all of his town games and found a specific moment where he did some kind of shenanigan or whatever it is you're trying to prove. This looks almost definitively like you have cherry picked something that fits your narrative because you either have insider information on Pandain's alignment or you're trying to cover for him. Something, I might add, that he absolutely does not need. Nope, I didn't look for shenanigans, I just said that given that he's more consistent as scum and looks for support, I find it unlikely that he would proactively try to push someone else. I do also find it weird that Pandain would blatantly self-contradict on not voting someone scummy but I find this easier to explain from a town perspective than a mafia perspective. Someone who is that self-aware as mafia would not let their vote make them look bad. I guess you can come back and say, well if P is mafia he knew Jock would flip town so P avoided putting his vote on Jock, so I guess we can just call that a wash. | ||
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On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote: What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. if you're town and we lose this game is 100% on you. Your reads are awful this game and I'm having a hard time believing you're actually town at this point. | ||
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