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On April 08 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
I am pretty sure palmar knows damdred just afks days at a time but he tried to push it as scummy.
This is true
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On April 08 2019 18:57 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
I am pretty sure palmar knows damdred just afks days at a time but he tried to push it as scummy. This is true
Palmar didn't seem to me to be pushing the afk angle.
Here's where he explained why damdred was scum:
On April 07 2019 19:43 Palmar wrote:
To clarify about Damdred.
If I'm to accept his posts at face value, I'd have to believe he has found a way to read rayn as town pretty strongly, in addition to believing he has an anti-town (ie: killing townies, because he thinks rayn is town) secondary win condition and in addition that he chose to reveal that win condition.
Aside from the fact that secondary win conditions are both rare and terrible, even if Damdred has one his optimal play as town is to just play like town and shut up about it. There is absolutely no benefit for Damdred to reveal having objectives outside of killing mafia as town.
I don't believe him.
What I think happened is Damdred is positioning himself to play as 3rd party, ie, he wants us to think he's a neutral 3rd party faction. Mafia does this all the time, it's better to be perceived as a 3rd party working on your own objectives than as mafia. Town doesn't have the same problem because it's even better to be perceived as town than 3rd party.
I don't believe him, I think he's scum.
His best excuse would probably just be that he's trolling and none of this stuff is real.
This is at least as good a reason to vote for someone as anything else I read on d1.
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On April 08 2019 19:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 18:57 KelsierSC wrote:On April 08 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
I am pretty sure palmar knows damdred just afks days at a time but he tried to push it as scummy. This is true Palmar didn't seem to me to be pushing the afk angle. Here's where he explained why damdred was scum: Show nested quote +On April 07 2019 19:43 Palmar wrote:
To clarify about Damdred.
If I'm to accept his posts at face value, I'd have to believe he has found a way to read rayn as town pretty strongly, in addition to believing he has an anti-town (ie: killing townies, because he thinks rayn is town) secondary win condition and in addition that he chose to reveal that win condition.
Aside from the fact that secondary win conditions are both rare and terrible, even if Damdred has one his optimal play as town is to just play like town and shut up about it. There is absolutely no benefit for Damdred to reveal having objectives outside of killing mafia as town.
I don't believe him.
What I think happened is Damdred is positioning himself to play as 3rd party, ie, he wants us to think he's a neutral 3rd party faction. Mafia does this all the time, it's better to be perceived as a 3rd party working on your own objectives than as mafia. Town doesn't have the same problem because it's even better to be perceived as town than 3rd party.
I don't believe him, I think he's scum.
His best excuse would probably just be that he's trolling and none of this stuff is real. This is at least as good a reason to vote for someone as anything else I read on d1.
Fair point. I didn't actually check if Palmer had pushed the afk angle. But I agree with hf it would be bullshit if he did.
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On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.
This is just flat out crap lol
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On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol
Jock? This is pretty good shit mang.
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On April 08 2019 19:28 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol Jock? This is pretty good shit mang.
I dunno.
Maybe.
It mostly looks like he's just tunneling on damdred, like i said its lazy and yeah its a bit crap but its not like OMG MAFIA.
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Neat. I was following along for a lot of the lynch, but I'm reading what I've missed. I appreciate everyone keeping the post lynch shit down to ~20 pages, that's been refreshing.
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On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol
eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.
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On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.
ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.
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On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town. ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.
Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom
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On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol
No it isn't.
Stop being mad you can't scumhunt on day 1.
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On April 08 2019 20:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol No it isn't. Stop being mad you can't scumhunt on day 1.
At least 3 people just told you the opposite. Grow up.
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On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town. ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town. Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom
He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.
On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.
Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.
His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.
He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.
First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.
After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.
Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote
Eden is scum vote him I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage. If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my sword.
This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.
We lynched Eden.
He was mafia.
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On April 08 2019 20:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 20:09 Palmar wrote:On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol No it isn't. Stop being mad you can't scumhunt on day 1. At least 3 people just told you the opposite. Grow up.
A flock of people saying stupid shit doesn't make it right.
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On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town. ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town. Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries. Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.
Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.
His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.
He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.
First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.
After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.
Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote
Eden is scum vote him I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage. If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my sword. This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence. We lynched Eden. He was mafia.
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On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town. ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town. Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries. On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.
Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.
His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.
He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.
First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.
After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.
Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote
Eden is scum vote him I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage. If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my sword. This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence. We lynched Eden. He was mafia. 2015
I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.
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yeah, damdred can be really good as town day 1 and i was hoping he would come back and crap a twon rainbow all over the thread and make the game easier. so i agree that he has done 0 scum hunting d1.
but ive also see him be afk as fuck as town.
so he has both a history of being very good d1 and being afk as fuck d1.
so your statement is not false, but you leave out 50% of the story.
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On April 08 2019 20:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.
He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.
Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him. This is just flat out crap lol eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town. ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town. Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries. On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.
Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.
His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.
He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.
First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.
After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.
Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote
Eden is scum vote him I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage. If by my life or death I can protect you, I will. You have my sword. This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence. We lynched Eden. He was mafia. 2015 I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.
Haha ok.
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On April 08 2019 20:22 disformation wrote:
yeah, damdred can be really good as town day 1 and i was hoping he would come back and crap a twon rainbow all over the thread and make the game easier. so i agree that he has done 0 scum hunting d1.
but ive also see him be afk as fuck as town.
so he has both a history of being very good d1 and being afk as fuck d1.
so your statement is not false, but you leave out 50% of the story.
afk is only part of the problem. If you want newer meta:
we literally just played a game where I townread damdred pretty fast.
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Damdred
Just look at his first 10-15 posts. Yes his reads aren't really explained but he's actually worried about people's alignment. He throws out townreads and is talking about who to kill.
Then look at this game. Aside from the implied town read on rayn I don't think there's anything about anyone.
And stop trying to boil my case down to one thing.
I don't like how he has not talked about anything alignment indicative.
I don't like how he has positioned himself to be a 3rd party.
I don't like how he assumed rayn was town without explaining it.
I don't like that he's been afk throughout the game.
Mafia is a game of odds. You lynch the people who have the highest chance to flip mafia. Not the people you dislike or the people you are afraid of getting beaten by. I have pretty good reasons for calling Damdred mafia.
But alas, I think I'm dropping the Damdred thing for tonight. I've made my case exceptionally clear and I can't lynch anyone tonight. It's gonna be more productive to talk about other shit.
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