I'd suggest lenient activity requirements and a setup that allows town to take out the trash. We're pulling in a lot of people whose forum checking rhythm may be off.
Also can we please have mayor elections, those are always great.
On February 27 2019 01:57 Tictock wrote: I suppose I was unintentionally furthering the stereotype of the bad Asian female driver... I really just wanted to put the reference for the joke I was making. In hindsight, context was probably unnecessary.
Personally I tend to be most bothered by drivers who feel like they own the road. You know the people who bob and weave in and out of traffic playing the “me first” game. Who, despite knowing full well their lane is ending, will zoom as far past as many people as possible before merging over.
I find it odd how there is a thread of thought that gender has any bearing on driving ability, when clearly there is no difference between men and woman drivers. I do have to concede that there are cultural differences in driving. One thing I notice is that in EU drivers tend to use car horns as an alert whereas in the US drivers tend to use it as a shout (usually in anger at traffic or telling someone to go).
This 100%. Nothing angry about the honking in the Netherlands Though of course that's just one country so maybe not 100% lol. But it's definitely a difference I noticed coming here from the States.
Though Lex's insistence that there were no bad drivers in the Netherlands who selfishly do dangerous things was of course a rose-colored glasses statement. To be fair, though, it's the exception. And he said it while I was driving us through Dallas Ft. Worth lol >< (And no, despite Slam's studies - which obviously I know are talking about statistically significant trends - it wasn't actually a critique on my driving. I am the "fortunate" one in the family who after living in San Antonio for years always ends up driving in cities because other people be scary man >< rofl. Poor Lex can barely stand to be in the car when Dad is driving.)
For the uninitiated, Lex is ArtanisXP and is being chicken-shit and not joining us. He blames work. We all know better >> (We also can't play in the same game together 'cause I can't keep a secret but shhh that's not a factor at all.)
Tell him I will personally be disappointed in him Work has nothing to do with it, in a game this size he can just minimum effort it
On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote: Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy.
Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff.
On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff.
Yo I've still got an open question for you. Would you be so kind as to answer it.
Oh about conversion Dunno there was a lot of talk and attention about him really early when he made a stupid entry The entry itself was meh and I don't think it deserved as much attention as it got so it felt like people were try to set up a lynch based on garbage
Man who else is even in this game Pandain? Wiggles? Not even that much lurk all things considered I think. This feels like a really tame D1. I Kinda like our position
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
I don't even know what mod confirmation HF is talking aboot but I know since getting burned by some geript shenanigans back in summer of '53 I don't do mod confirms
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
If you think mafia is involved in Palmar’s actions, then why have your own not changed? Why are you ok with pushing an agenda mafia is also ok putting forth?
On March 04 2019 07:16 rsoultin wrote: I'm not liking wave this game for reasons I can't describe other than he seems like one of those old vulture headed muppets in the peanut gallery.
Ok but srsly that one thing rsoul said about me bugs me. Everyone else is able to pinpoint exactly what I've been doing wrong this game, but somehow rsoul can't figure me out? Also there was some scum game a while back where rsoul caught me straight up when nobody else did.
OH DAMN SON srsly though I dunno, direct me or something?
Honestly this game might just be more fun for me to read after the fact than to play in. Too many big names/voices for me to feel like I'd ever make a difference
So many people just willing to toss me aside the few times my name is mentioned, very few actually looking to engage. Vivax stands out in that regard as the only one who actually looked to question me on anything I've said directly. I don't know what to make of that, truly. Never followed up after I answered him but also hasn't taken the easy route by saying bad play = scum play like everyone else. Can't commit to a good read here mostly because I feel like he'll eventually revral himself one way or another as the game progresses.
My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy.
Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
Oo actually now that I think about it I wonder if I look into all the low effort talk of disposal of my person, which of those talked about lynching vs vig. Might be an interesting exercise but maybe just more self stroking of my own ego.
Ugh somebody talk to me maybe now that I seem to be in the mood
I will look at Trfel now. Something someone wrote recently (you?) struck a chord in that I remember him having a ridiculous (scum?)game or at the very least him having been very skilled in some form or another so maybe seeing him perform less adequately makes him more likely to be scum? Not really sure. Meta probably isn't a great idea in this game (and let's be real honest, isn't usually a great idea at all) but we all do it, so it's worth looking into.
Mayor atm is Palmar but he's fucked off for a while and Sentinel should no longer be mayor lynch so that could very easily change depending on what he does.
Wouldn't vote Oats atm, probably not Sentinel, haven't looked with any detial into Acro but probably should given the wagon on him and the high profile names involved.
I will never vote HF into a position of power because I will basically never trust him in any given game.
Talking about rayn feels like unleashing the beast in some way, but sure. I'll do a dive if you're still around. What did you want to talk about in regards to him specifically?
But am I scccummmmmm Tumblewood? Or are you going to join the multitudes who have decided that everything I say is trash and then not comment on anything beyond that?
Strangely ironic that when I first read your post I bristled at being told I had a chipmunk memory, but if reading comprehension doesn't fail me (and maybe evidently, it does?) you were talking about yourself?
lol
Fair point I guess but the larger point still stands---if you are calling me scum, you're doing it based on nothing other than how 'blah' I'm being? And I still don't buy you not being great at reading me. Historically, you have been barring I think our first couple games together.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
Disagree with your points on HF entirely. HF is a free spirit and does more or less whatever the fuck he pleases as either alignment. Kinda like me :D
To further elaborate. scum HF doesn't need to try to tear apart the town if town is doing an ok job of that already or they're nowhere near finding everyone. I've said before I actually quite like the level of activity in this game and it's not a huge shitshow so I like where we're at, but this is D1. Scum do not need to put themselves on the line here, LEAST of all HF.
On March 04 2019 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I will look at Trfel now. Something someone wrote recently (you?) struck a chord in that I remember him having a ridiculous (scum?)game or at the very least him having been very skilled in some form or another so maybe seeing him perform less adequately makes him more likely to be scum? Not really sure. Meta probably isn't a great idea in this game (and let's be real honest, isn't usually a great idea at all) but we all do it, so it's worth looking into.
Mayor atm is Palmar but he's fucked off for a while and Sentinel should no longer be mayor lynch so that could very easily change depending on what he does.
Wouldn't vote Oats atm, probably not Sentinel, haven't looked with any detial into Acro but probably should given the wagon on him and the high profile names involved.
I will never vote HF into a position of power because I will basically never trust him in any given game.
Dude lol >< you and truffle had a killer scum game together you forget that?
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
Disagree with your points on HF entirely. HF is a free spirit and does more or less whatever the fuck he pleases as either alignment. Kinda like me :D
You can disagree. I'm not going to believe someone has a better read on him than me until they can prove it, though, cause my track record's actually pretty decent.
Especially not from someone who claims to never be able to read him.
That's exactly it--- I never claimed to be able to read him. I didn't call him scum, I'm just not bothering entirely. I'm definitely not calling him town though.
I just remember a scumgame where it was like me and yamato and you blew us out. I cba to look into past history beyond that, it's ancient at this point and I refuse to meta dive. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but it's what I remember.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
Agree with this. Also town iamp makes me laugh more than scum iamp I thinks? That's a lie fuck it I just like when he calls people names
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
"He's got this organic thing down"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me.
Seemed pretty clear to me actually. What do you find strange about that exactly?
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
"He's got this organic thing down"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me.
Seemed pretty clear to me actually. What do you find strange about that exactly?
Organic is a strange choice of words imo. Saying somebody's posts look organic is only how you would describe somebody's posts if for some reason they actually aren't. It's like a "grassroots" movement -- it's not a real thing. There's always astro-turfing and that's what this seems like to me.
That's...what? What a weird thing to say. I have never in all my time playing this game had someone create a sticking point over the word organic.
Dictionary.com:
denoting a relation between elements of something such that they fit together harmoniously as necessary parts of a whole. "the organic unity of the integral work of art" synonyms: structured, organized, coherent, integrated, coordinated, ordered, systematic, systematized, methodical, orderly, consistent, harmonious, methodized "a society is an organic whole" antonyms: disparate characterized by continuous or natural development. "companies expand as much by acquisition as by organic growth"
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
"He's got this organic thing down"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me.
-shrugs- I tend to think people who are fluidly changing opinions and reacting to changes in the thread are more likely town. Reading his filter is not likely to give you a good idea of what I'm talking about. Mafia has to think an extra step before posting to decide what things look like or if they want to pursue a scum/town read or whatever so they come off a bit more stiff/unnatural. Also it's probably projecting cause fluidity is one of the things I still can't get right in my own scum game lol ><
Careful because this isn't necessarily true. HF is a great example. Not as hard to do as scum as you'd think.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
"He's got this organic thing down"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me.
Seemed pretty clear to me actually. What do you find strange about that exactly?
Organic is a strange choice of words imo. Saying somebody's posts look organic is only how you would describe somebody's posts if for some reason they actually aren't. It's like a "grassroots" movement -- it's not a real thing. There's always astro-turfing and that's what this seems like to me.
That's...what? What a weird thing to say. I have never in all my time playing this game had someone create a sticking point over the word organic.
Dictionary.com:
denoting a relation between elements of something such that they fit together harmoniously as necessary parts of a whole. "the organic unity of the integral work of art" synonyms: structured, organized, coherent, integrated, coordinated, ordered, systematic, systematized, methodical, orderly, consistent, harmonious, methodized "a society is an organic whole" antonyms: disparate characterized by continuous or natural development. "companies expand as much by acquisition as by organic growth"
I think you're focusing on this far more than I was -- using organic to describe somebody's posting, to me, is not very organic.
I don't think it serves much to dwell on this though -- do you agree with what rsoul said? You feel like iamp's posts are organic and town-motivated? OR what is your opinion of iamp?
It's less about the organic-ness...organicity? of the posts and more the seeming confidence behind his posting. He reacts to everything and posts with an air of superiority and most importantly pushes more or less relentlessly which, even if I didn't know iamp at all, are towny traits.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else.
"He's got this organic thing down"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me.
Seemed pretty clear to me actually. What do you find strange about that exactly?
Organic is a strange choice of words imo. Saying somebody's posts look organic is only how you would describe somebody's posts if for some reason they actually aren't. It's like a "grassroots" movement -- it's not a real thing. There's always astro-turfing and that's what this seems like to me.
That's...what? What a weird thing to say. I have never in all my time playing this game had someone create a sticking point over the word organic.
Dictionary.com:
denoting a relation between elements of something such that they fit together harmoniously as necessary parts of a whole. "the organic unity of the integral work of art" synonyms: structured, organized, coherent, integrated, coordinated, ordered, systematic, systematized, methodical, orderly, consistent, harmonious, methodized "a society is an organic whole" antonyms: disparate characterized by continuous or natural development. "companies expand as much by acquisition as by organic growth"
I think you're focusing on this far more than I was -- using organic to describe somebody's posting, to me, is not very organic.
I don't think it serves much to dwell on this though -- do you agree with what rsoul said? You feel like iamp's posts are organic and town-motivated? OR what is your opinion of iamp?
It's less about the organic-ness...organicity? of the posts and more the seeming confidence behind his posting. He reacts to everything and posts with an air of superiority and most importantly pushes more or less relentlessly which, even if I didn't know iamp at all, are towny traits.
I don't know you very well, but relentlessly pushing one person I've always found to be more of a scum trait. I have to ask myself if I believe that you believe what you are saying -- I'm not sure I do.
Assuming he's been doing nothing else, you'd be right. But he's very clearly but spouting all sorts of reads and reacting to thread while at the same time pushing acro whom he believes to be scum. Not sure what you expect him to be doing otherwise. I don't need to defend him here any further.
What I REALLY should be doing is reading Acro probs.
Ok I think in theory the points iamp has made on acro have merit on surface value only, but feel misguided. I think Acro's entry post was pretty balls but everything after that has been fine, including his point on Palmar. As long as the mayor does what we want it doesn't matter that much who it is but we do learn a little depending on how their platform was pushed and who votes for them.
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
Of course you do. I'm green and you're red. You still haven't followed a train of thought in this thread. Just throwing names out and hopping around til a train starts rolling.
Die. Shitty scummer.
Quick question: From what I remember Oats is a spectacular mess as either alignment. Why are you so sure?
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm VT btw
Now apologize for playing anti town.
I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page.
Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.
He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.
Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".
I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.
Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.
Aside from the 'i'm gonna kill him anyway rawr' I really like this post. Pretty insightful imo.
AND PARANOIA KICKS IN Too many warm fuzzy townfeels going around from so many active people and there are a bunch of people in agreement with this (includingme aaaaaa)
Will probably look some people up and make a real dumb case no one will listen to tomorrow when I think I've found scum. Stay tuned.
Not hiding. I'm far from an early lynch target and self respecting vig would hit me now, so you'll just have to be patient and be satisfied with the scraps I have provided you for now bby
Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
The shit people used to get away with on TL mafia by comparison....?
I'm so confused by some of the behaviour here.
Anyway not relevant to much.
Hf in what world is palmar scum here? Antagonizing a bunch of people (whether meaning to or not) taking firm control of town---there is zero reason for scum to do any of this, or give up position on easy mislynches from a mayor position (assuming sentinel is town, for example).
Take his right/wrongness out of the equation. Pobodys nerfect.
On March 03 2019 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh about conversion Dunno there was a lot of talk and attention about him really early when he made a stupid entry The entry itself was meh and I don't think it deserved as much attention as it got so it felt like people were try to set up a lynch based on garbage
It definitely petered out though
Oh yeah, this. Eh, didn't turn out to be much. Could be scum, sure.
On March 04 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote: The case against Oatsmaster
Exhibit A: the lack of effort
Firstly, he has been utterly useless and all over the place with his reads. Without any justification he just randomly threw out names of 11 people in a "look at me, I'm playing the game" fashion in the span of about 10 minutes. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 05:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'd like to survive long enough to figure out my role so I'm going to disagree with the Sentinel Policy Lynch
3rd part=y
When asked to back it up, he didn't really do that, confused himself about why he had called people scum in the voting thread and just really couldn't justify calling anybody scum at all other than this:
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong.
Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong.
It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here.
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion.
The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town.
SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??
He started off thinking HF was scum for "putting in too much effort"? Now is trying to back out while trying to rationalize how and why he is not convinced of his case, but it doesn't look sincere. Doesn't pass the smell test, and feels like he is just trying to get off HF's radar. Especially as he just drops HF entirely the moment HF drops him. If this is some big "logical inconsistency" that got him all riled up about HF's play, then why is he not following up? HF kept posting and playing in a similar manner, yet Oats never mentioned him again. What changed? Nothing in particular, except that HF went from thinking Oats was scum to voting alongside him:
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
Not really a case but you did scumread him.
Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af.
Ok.
If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game.
I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated.
Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me?
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
3. I trust Palmer to find mafia a lot more than Holyflare.
4. Let's lynch the wagon Holyflare started.
Ok Acro. Have my vote.
So HF is off his back and voting for me, so not worth the effort anymore. In fact, he doesn't even appear to notice HF is now voting alongside him.
Because one of the advantages of flinging "reads" everywhere is one of them is bound to stick. And that one was me. Why does Oats think I'm scum? I still don't really know. I'm not a lawyer. That's for damn sure.
All I got from him is a bunch of post-hoc rationalization about why some of the stuff other people (Palmar, Grack) said look townie are not townie. But he has not once made sense of why I'm scum. It's almost like all his reads are just picked at random and he'll run with whatever works.
He's not even trying to understand what's happening. Just trying to spin:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
Yes, they are... you'll note that you weren't on there either. Although I'm not entirely sure anymore why not.
Palmar isn't on there because I was (and am) voting for him for mayor. So no, I don't think he's scum BH falls in the Koshi, Mocsta, Pandain, Rels, Onegu list of people who hadn't posted at all, and thus I couldn't make my mind up either way. DarthFoley doesn't seem too scummy and had been posting.
Sentinel was the only guy there who was mostly policy, and only partially because he was doing nothing of value. The rest were all there because I read their filter and found nothing much to believe they're town:
Oats posted a craptastic bunch of "reads" and then went away again without adding anything to the thread except for a bunch of troll posts. Lets get this show on the road. Kill Oats for justice
FF wants to be mayor, but a town FF would know he stands no chance with HF, Palmar, Cobbler, Ace, rayn, BH and iamp. Yet that is literally the only thing he has posted about all thread. Other than that he's thrown some shade around without any conviction.
WoS, ExO_. Entered, trolled, fucked off. Basically did nothing beyond phone in their presence, promise better and fuck off.
sicklucker: I'll call him "Oats light".
Wiggles: don't really want to lynch him anymore, but he was there in the WoS, ExO_ list.
Other people aren't on there because I think they're probably town or there simply isn't enough information to figure it out yet.
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
On March 04 2019 06:39 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:19 rsoultin wrote: Eew.
Acro: "Palmar wanting to lynch sent is more likely to find scum than HF who wants to lynch Oats who I want to lynch."
rofl ><
Given that I want to lynch Oats, I don't want to vote HF to mayor kill him. It defeats the purpose.
On March 04 2019 06:52 Acrofales wrote: EBWOP: also, HF's case on Oats was based on some nonsense that made no sense. Not on the reasons that Oats is actually scummy (although it did start that way). It was about Oats changing his mind when Oats never changed his mind (just threw out an unsubstantiated read and never commented on it again).
On March 03 2019 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote: Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy.
only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players
No, it just makes it obvious you haven't read the thread carefully enough to piece together coherent reads and are just throwing whatever you can in the open in the hopes something sticks. Pretty scummy oats tactic.
On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote: No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks.
On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
Not really a case but you did scumread him.
Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af.
Ok.
If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game.
I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated.
Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me?
To me, Acro, it looks like you're really not paying attention at all. You should be happy that you have exactly the same points as I've already stated and should be happy to vote me as mayor.
Instead you're not even interested in someone who shares the exact same read as you. You didn't even know the reasons I actually voted oats and you voted on the wagon scum found it opportune to be on. Not looking good for you I'm afraid.
Really, not paying attention? In a 65 page day 1 i was mostly afk for? You're obviously right there.
nice boiling down his points into a singular answer that actually confirms what hes saying Acro
Indeed. I was agreeing with him. I wasn't paying close attention. Yet somehow me agreeing with HF about my own playstyle is bad. Scummy? I dunno. But definitely worth throwing shade at in a drive-by sniping.
Oats just doesn't engage. He takes potshots as if they are gotchas, because his mind is already made up: as long as a townie gets lynched it's a great D1. And right now, I'm the most likely to be lynched, so non-committal snipes on me is the way to go.
There isn't much more in his filter. He enters the conversation and leaves before getting anything done. Asks pointless questions, and generally just floats around the surface looking "busy" without putting any effort at all into the game. Most notably not into his mafia cases against HF or me (the only two he has followed up on beyond a list post).
I love the effort you put in here actually, but I'm kinda with palmar here in that it's just kinda... Oats? Could be either really this is just what he do
Won't be around for deadline most likely (depends on if patients show) but considering BH as scum often fucks off entirely then makes some bullshit excuse last second to delay things, I'm totes cools with its. Finish catching up later.
On March 05 2019 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Won't be around for deadline most likely (depends on if patients show) but considering BH as scum often fucks off entirely then makes some bullshit excuse last second to delay things, I'm totes cools with its. Finish catching up later.
hey guys, as it turns out I'm in the process of moving hosue and I have phot- nah i'm just kidding :v
On March 05 2019 10:26 Holyflare wrote: I mean, you can all criticise all you want but not one of you even argued with my scum read (no, yelling it's stupid doesn't count) on Palmar or the points I laid out
I don't know why you're so fucking obsessed with lynching Tina but yes I do think she's scum. We're not lynching her tomorrow though Gwttibg on computer
Everyone is always gone by the time I get here ugh
Lol bh You and I both know where you belong. I am both incredibly dismayed and infinitely amused that you are still alive. It's such typical BH fare. How do you fucking do it?
On March 05 2019 11:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know why you're so fucking obsessed with lynching Tina but yes I do think she's scum. We're not lynching her tomorrow though Gwttibg on computer
Everyone is always gone by the time I get here ugh
Who do you want to lynch instead of her if you think shes scum?
We have to eliminate HF and BH to start. Then looking into palmars reads (sent and wiggles) is worth it as well. I have a good case on rsoul in a minute but that doesn't change what must be done
LOL HF you fucked us so hard. I don't know how you did it either. Convince half the goddamn players in this game that lynching one of the most active and forthcoming players was the best choice. Jesus h tap dancing Christ.
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
1) Places non-committal scum read on BH 2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..) 3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction
I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH)
On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel [...]
I'm not sure on sent but I really liked palmars analysis of his entry and backtrack. The only problem is now policy lynching is less attractive if one of the scenarios he posited (the one where sent is town and faked reading his claim) is true. I do think that scenario is probabky less likely than the scum one but will gladly follow a confirmed town's reads.
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now. [...]
1) Places non-committal scum read on BH 2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..) 3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction
I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH)
On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel [...]
Preflip association not a great call, but I'll allow it because we need the flip regardless
Associative tells on unflipped players, bus analysis assuming I am scum, etx - vigi, please kill me or we'll have mistaken analysis all day D2
Yes plz. As for wiggles I haven't read him yet. I'll get there eventually.
Once again though, how the FUCK in a game with as many players as we have with a bunch of good policy/low count lynched did we lynch the fucking town leader?
Just... Fucking how?
I still can't decide if I'm angry or just think it's hilarious. I guess I haven't been too invested so I'm indirectly to blame, but in games like this I never have a primary town voice over the palmars/Marvs/hokyfkares/rayns
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?
This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.
Not indicative of anything, I can honestly say I'd try to be concerned as either alignment. Like HF said earlier about someone (I forget who, I think trfel) he would preferred people not waste their time on this game to their own detriment. It's not worth it. Trust me as a longtime veteran.
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?
This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.
Not indicative of anything, I can honestly say I'd try to be concerned as either alignment. Like HF said earlier about someone (I forget who, I think trfel) he would preferred people not waste their time on this game to their own detriment. It's not worth it. Trust me as a longtime veteran.
I still see you making that post as scum so to each to their own on that.
What? Didn't you just say your town read of me is based on me not tilting you further?
Man I don't remember that game at all. If you look at the last post in my filter though I don't take credit 'cause my team was good. Reading a little of it I lurked the shit out of that game because things were very busy for me at that time in my life (board exams coming up, just graduated) but also because I had never really tried 'actively lurking' before and wanted to change things up considering how active I normally was in literally every game where my filter was among the biggest.
Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
On March 05 2019 08:45 rsoultin wrote: meh i don't want to lynch truffle ><
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
I hate this post, I hate hate HATE it. I'm not going to start in with 'well if she was scum she'd be too self conscious to be wishy washy' fuck that.
It reeks of TMI and even more so when she doubles down here
On March 05 2019 08:53 rsoultin wrote: eh it's bugging me more if trfel is town that palmar voted off bh to wiggles at the end, but since we're likely to get a palmar flip too i guess that'll resolve things lol ><
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
So assuming she knows Trfel and Palmar are town look at how close to deadline she starts waffling on BOTH of them.
On March 05 2019 08:53 rsoultin wrote: eh it's bugging me more if trfel is town that palmar voted off bh to wiggles at the end, but since we're likely to get a palmar flip too i guess that'll resolve things lol ><
Reading this again, the Trfel thing looks bad, but look at how totally ok she was with Palmar flipping, ostensibly when she thought HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T. Then as it becomes more likely a reality it's 'bugging her' that Palmar (her scumread) changed his vote from BH (her townread) to Wiggles. Rather than committing to her scumread on Palmar she drops the hard stance before the flip.
Even if you can come up with a towny explanation for this (I can - simply her changing her mind ---without showing much context but whatever, sure), look at how her tone changes from exuding confidence to meek and unsure as the deadline looms closer. She wants to look good because she's supposed to know Trfel and everyone on Palmar is going to look like shit regardless.
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
Also don't like this post because rather than push it she'd be 'happy to' but I digress.
It just all looks and feels awful to me, and combined with the fact that she should very well know some of my scumplay (thank you LS, incidentally for bringing to light a game in which rsoul and I were scum together) I think rsoul is highly likely to flip RED
On March 04 2019 21:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
The shit people used to get away with on TL mafia by comparison....?
I'm so confused by some of the behaviour here.
Anyway not relevant to much. Hf in what world is palmar scum here? Antagonizing a bunch of people (whether meaning to or not) taking firm control of town---there is zero reason for scum to do any of this, or give up position on easy mislynches from a mayor position (assuming sentinel is town, for example).
Take his right/wrongness out of the equation. Pobodys nerfect.
I wish I had had more time to push this point, because it was literally all that was important.
In related news:
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Like in HF's head: 'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
On March 05 2019 00:52 WaveofShadow wrote: 2 people. Not 5. And that's not even the entirety of HF's list I mentioned.
Seriously Hf this time I have a really hard time believing what you're writing about palmar.
On March 05 2019 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: This is real ballsy play even for scum!hf But if he's not scum he's being bad, and Hf isn't bad.
The world in which palmar and Hf are both scum is a game we've already lost so I won't consider that really
HF Scum. Simple as that. If he's town he wanted to torch the game for fun, and while I suppose I can't put it past him, HF's competitive instinct has always felt too great to me to active try to throw a game for shits. He is our PRIMARY LYNCH (if he isn't vigged, anyway).
I literally do not care if anyone else thinks they have a higher priority/better lynch here, they are wrong.
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
so many people have said this now that its probably true and her scum buddys keep bringing it up
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw.
On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote: 151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?
I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another.
With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar.
Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me.
Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM.
with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel.
with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9:
You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched.
The last 10 minutes are shenannies:
Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9.
3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie)
2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel.
1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10.
Trfel flips Doctor.
HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop.
An attempted self vote BH? youve changed man!
In the world you're pitching to me, where both you and Trfel are town, why are these people switching votes with 1-2 minutes left on the clock at all, rather than just doing nothing?
There's a couple of possibilities.
for vivax and conversion, they might be townies who legitimately think Trfel was suspicious, and in their heart they nullread me and hope I get vigied or mayor-killed. Trfel was whining a lot as the deadline approached, which might have contributed to them dislike him. If they're scum, the last minute shenannies may have been for any reason - perhaps they thought I was sure to be a VT due to my lack of concern with being killed, and Trfel was Blue due to his whining (both of which turn out to be true), or in the case of Scum-Vivax, hoping to look like someone who tried and failed to avert the tragic lynch of town blazinghand since his voteswap didn't actually save me.
For LS, I think he just accepted my martyring as "scum or useless, let's kill him" and realized his vote on rsoultin was doing literally nothing. if he's scum, he might ahve been trying to get onto a main wagon to avoid suspicion for staying out of the main battle.
despite HF's promise to shoot Palmar with the mayor power, maybe they thought he'd use it on me. Maybe (and perhaps correctly) they figured I'd be vigged anyways. maybe they thought my lynch would be boring and provide little info.
And in any case, if you're scum, making a bit fuss out of two competing town wagons can make you look good if you pull it off right, since...
well, imagine you have a theory of "BH is scum, and conversion, his scumbuddy, saved him at the last minute"
In this case, you lynch or vig BH first, because conversion's scum-nature is contingent on mine. And if you're conversion, you know town will think this, and lynch me first, and when I flip town, Conversion is then off the hook. by shenanniying from me onto Trfel, he sets up a Day 2 mislynch, theoretically speaking.
though that's fairly WIFOMey, it's the kind of play I like to do as scum. I'm sure there are others who use it.
Yeah thats fairly WIFOM stuff, Ill have to read how the lynch played out myself and get back to you.
If you could flip 3 people right now, who are they?
Me, HF, and Conversion would lay clear all the facts about what went down at the end of D1. I think a lot of questions and WIFOM get washed away when HF and conv flip, and doubly so for me - at least from the POV of people who aren't me. Also, flipping me now means our blues get to take better night actions, freeing up a vigi shot for someone else. A lot of the meat of what we need to dig into is what went down as we rolled towards the deadline D1. We know HF killed Palm, who flipped blue, and Conv's vote on Trfel killed Trfel and saved me. Flipping HF and Conv who made these ruinous decisions would lay it all out. Flipping me would also end all this stupid analysis where people assume I'm scum and go from there.
Though it might be wiser to go back through and see who has contributed least and maybe sub them in for one or two of these guys, just because any low activity players you can't get a read on are going to be either scum or a liability in the lategame (since scum won't shoot them obvs)
And really, when it comes down to it, HF should have had his finger on that dial, ready to send in a "actually i'm killing BH" pm to hosts when it was a 1-vote spread between me and Trfel's wagon. I may be the shenanigan king, but lots of people know to stick around the deadline, particularly when things are so close.
Bear in mind, in the final moments leading up to the shenannies, HF is there, in the thread, comming on last minute mafia activity (link) and saying that I am a "secure mafia lynch" (3 minutes before deadline). HF was there, in the thread, when the votes shifted. He watched it happen. He complained about it. He said I was scum.
Bear in mind, if HF truly thinks I was scum, he knew that at that point, the vote was tied 10-10 and I hadn't yet voted! All I had to do was cast a vote on Trfel and Trfel would die and I would live, HF, supposedly thinking i'm scum and in this situation, while we're both in the thread, with minutes to go, who thinks i'm "secure" as mafia, apparently decided to go for Palmar instead.
In the end, HF hung out in the thread, watched the shenannies threaten to kill Trfel over me, tie up the vote with me still not voted on Trfel, then the vote goes onto Trfel and Trfel takes the lead, all while claiming I'm "secure mafia lynch"
if I were in this situation I would be on a hair trigger, ready to take down the "secure mafia lynch" that is only winning by a 1-vote margin in case of shenannies.
He will have many pretty, fancy reasons for why he did this, of course. He may even be town, town is wrong and screws up all the time. The host's vote counts were not very quick and accurate in the final minutes. But them's the things that happened. So yeah, I'd flip him along with me and conv ezpz and we'd see the truth.
The main reason is I just didn't care and if Palmar flipped mafia that would be pretty cool.
I mean that's cool and all, but if we lose this game and you're town
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw.
What's the number one reason for wanting him dead?
I'm not repeating myself again. Answer is obvious and in my filter.
I'll be posting better soon because I have a slow work day
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw.
I can already see what's going to happen We end up leaving all the loose ends alive tomorrow because somebody presents something shiny and scum laugh all the way to the bank
Don't lose sight of the goal tomorrow. Idgaf about this mocsta case tbh
On March 06 2019 00:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I can already see what's going to happen We end up leaving all the loose ends alive tomorrow because somebody presents something shiny and scum laugh all the way to the bank
Don't lose sight of the goal tomorrow. Idgaf about this mocsta case tbh
On March 06 2019 00:40 iamperfection wrote: I don't trust conversion slot at all. Marv ever loses interest or doesn't look emotionally invested stab him in the heart
Does anyone think this dude scum? No? Good. Why are we on acro again?
I will remind everyone every time I show up: HF dies tomorrow. (bonus points if he does tonight)
I kind of want to revisit my case on Rsoul because people have been picking at it and on second glance it does feel a bit weak. I want to look at stuff in the context of what Acro came up with as well.
Rsoul just FEELS real scummy here and I want to make sure I'm not reaching because she fits a nice little piece of my puzzle here.
On March 06 2019 01:31 Holyflare wrote: This is a very easy thing for mafia to hide behind so I recommend you stop doing it and look productive because otherwise you'll have nothing else to look good about in the future wave.
plz. plz plz. I don't need your recommendations, good sir. I will or won't be productive based on my schedule and if I damn well please.
But please, entertain me a little while I work. Is there a reason I should be worried about looking productive? AM I mafia trying to hide?
On March 06 2019 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Why not? I like him and he's a fun guy to talk to.
We got other things we got to worry about like finding the other scums :o
LS with all due respect, get off my dick and do something? Please and thank you? :D
Jeez man I was thinking about Damdred tbh. What you think of Damdred?
He's done dick all. Also I'm bad at reading him. What is general consensus on him? I can't remember anyone talking about him much at all.
There's a bunch of players (you, DAmdred, rsoul, Trfel, I think there's more?) that all seem to have the idea that you can read each other pretty well, has that been happening?
On March 05 2019 23:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Remember I only have this game to go on.
Buuuut.
Looking through your filter, every time you have town read someone you have quoted something they have posted and given a reason why that post makes you town read them. Usually this process makes sense but then with trfel we get this:
On March 05 2019 08:37 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:32 Trfel wrote: STILL NO ONE HAS SAID A SINGLE THING TO ME
NOT ONE EXPLANATION OF WHY I AM MAFIA NOT ONE QUESTION NOTHING
Do you realize what is happening? If I'm lynched, fine, whatever, but someone acknowledge my existence please!
You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/
I don't know what this post is at all. Unless I'm literally reading your words wrong, you're giving a reason why you should lynch trfel whilst changing your vote. This isn't a town read.
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
And then that happened and it just seems weird to me.
okay. i can see why that might confuse you. it was like 2 mins or something to deadline and i was focused on things more important than quoting and explaining shit but you can't know that or my motivations -shrugs-
i should really read things fully before i respond. i was telling him why i'd scumread him :/ and i still believed those valid but felt he was town, so it came down to choosing whether my original reasons were stronger or the feels were. i went with feels and yes that's partly cause he would have been around to evaluate later and partly just cause i'm more susceptible to doubts near EoD anyway ><
truffle is a player who waffles a lot on his reads. on the one hand, on the other hand, these are points against them, and these are for, and ultimately i think he falls on this or that side. i'm not used to this apparenltly new? version of him where he's stating his reads more confidently. so
Why are you defending yourself so much?
Why not though
I have often way over-defended myself, it’s a pride thing (and she is that)
Because scum are more interested defending themself........
It’s like you didn’t read my post bro
If she is mafia it isn’t for that
Want to hear this though---do you think she is mafia? Or just shutting down bad read?
On March 04 2019 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy.
-amused- I'm really not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension. Maybe responsible for being a scattered poster with a chipmunk memory, but that's another thing. The number of people who either don't (or pretend they don't, as the case was last time I remember) get when I say I 'don't like' someone and put them in my lynch list that that's a scumread is kinda staggering.
But carry on boyo. I'm not hating your focus on how people are reading you.
Ok I remember giving her a pass from this explanation earlier but I realize it doesn't actually explain what I want it to She still didn't elaborate on what put me on her list here---I geuss considering her list was supposedly 8 people long here maybe it was just the look of my posting or that something about me felt 'off,' but just why can't seh say so when so many other people had no problem with it? I keep coming back to this and it bothers me so much. As does much of her filter throughout the day where she pokes at people and seems afraid to make reads.
Other times she does though so bleargh Still going
+ points from me Something you said sounded scummy earlier today and I forget what it was but this made me forget all about it.
okay not really
Was it that thing i said about you being mafia?
I've mostly been ignoring that because at this point I should be obvious town to damn near everyone but you're new here supposedly, so I can forgive that. And I do like how you've been playing, regardless of alignment. (If TL mafia somehow keeps going after this, stick around. You're a nice addition.)
Yeah looking through your earlier stuff at first I didn't like it obviously since you were calling me scum, but you went way more in depth than anyone else did and put effort into it. Basic stuff like calling out weak play ultimately, but you gave good explanations and context.
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
Post almost screams town. Ugh maybe the 'newbie' thing is clouding my judgment but I feel like not too many people are ok posting that for fear of (even if not worrying someone will find it scummy) garnering too much attention.
Oh yeah THIS post.
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
I think other people called this out but I don't even understand what you're asking here. HF said he'd kill Palmar, he did. You are acting surprised by this for some reason? Despite you voting for him? Like...wtf IS this?
Anyway the good outweighs the bad here imo but that post-lynch stuff is so weird in what is actually a pretty damn good filter. Like your suspicions on rsoul now (for obvious reason) and you thinking I'm scummy actually doesn't mean much to me right now.
On March 06 2019 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv being back here gives me good feels Also this post
On March 05 2019 09:42 marvellosity wrote: you should probably listen to dead-town Palmar and kill Sentinel though, it was a good read
Marv making the conversion slot so much more difficult. Would not lynch above a whole host of others
On March 06 2019 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:34 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:07 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:02 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 23:56 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 23:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Remember I only have this game to go on.
Buuuut.
Looking through your filter, every time you have town read someone you have quoted something they have posted and given a reason why that post makes you town read them. Usually this process makes sense but then with trfel we get this:
On March 05 2019 08:37 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/
I don't know what this post is at all. Unless I'm literally reading your words wrong, you're giving a reason why you should lynch trfel whilst changing your vote. This isn't a town read.
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
And then that happened and it just seems weird to me.
okay. i can see why that might confuse you. it was like 2 mins or something to deadline and i was focused on things more important than quoting and explaining shit but you can't know that or my motivations -shrugs-
i should really read things fully before i respond. i was telling him why i'd scumread him :/ and i still believed those valid but felt he was town, so it came down to choosing whether my original reasons were stronger or the feels were. i went with feels and yes that's partly cause he would have been around to evaluate later and partly just cause i'm more susceptible to doubts near EoD anyway ><
truffle is a player who waffles a lot on his reads. on the one hand, on the other hand, these are points against them, and these are for, and ultimately i think he falls on this or that side. i'm not used to this apparenltly new? version of him where he's stating his reads more confidently. so
Why are you defending yourself so much?
Why not though
I have often way over-defended myself, it’s a pride thing (and she is that)
Because scum are more interested defending themself........
It’s like you didn’t read my post bro
If she is mafia it isn’t for that
Want to hear this though---do you think she is mafia? Or just shutting down bad read?
I am having trouble with this re-read of rsoul
Didn't marv say he hadn't read the thread properly at that time? I hardly think that's a good post to read Marv anything in the slightest and seems like a bit of a stretch. You also completely eradicate any town building points with the second quote. What is the point of the first half if you still have questions that need answering?
wtf? Because I want to know what marv thinks of rsoul? How are those things in any way related?
Ok wait a minute. I think I found something solid on rsoul?
Am I crazy in that nowhere does she solidly state WHY she thinks Palmar is scum aside from the fact that she likes Rayn's case which she then assumes to be a bus? This gives some context to her waffling a little on it later but earlier on in the day she just states 'he's a scumread' a bunch with almost no context aside from the fact that the idea seems to be gaining some traction. Like the only post where she gives even a bit of information at all, half of it is dedicated to talk about whether he does or doesnt play as scum or town on weekends.
And then later on she mentions how he can push a wagon as scum or town.
This might be it. Like, the rest of her filter looks ok, I don't mind the style where she pops in and snipes stuff here and there because there is actually some work/reads here and there. But it's when it comes to stuff that COUNTS that things always look off to me (ie. reads on me because I know my own alignment, reads on flipped players)
On March 06 2019 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv being back here gives me good feels Also this post
On March 05 2019 09:42 marvellosity wrote: you should probably listen to dead-town Palmar and kill Sentinel though, it was a good read
Marv making the conversion slot so much more difficult. Would not lynch above a whole host of others
On March 06 2019 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:34 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:07 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 00:02 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 23:56 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
okay. i can see why that might confuse you. it was like 2 mins or something to deadline and i was focused on things more important than quoting and explaining shit but you can't know that or my motivations -shrugs-
i should really read things fully before i respond. i was telling him why i'd scumread him :/ and i still believed those valid but felt he was town, so it came down to choosing whether my original reasons were stronger or the feels were. i went with feels and yes that's partly cause he would have been around to evaluate later and partly just cause i'm more susceptible to doubts near EoD anyway ><
truffle is a player who waffles a lot on his reads. on the one hand, on the other hand, these are points against them, and these are for, and ultimately i think he falls on this or that side. i'm not used to this apparenltly new? version of him where he's stating his reads more confidently. so
Why are you defending yourself so much?
Why not though
I have often way over-defended myself, it’s a pride thing (and she is that)
Because scum are more interested defending themself........
It’s like you didn’t read my post bro
If she is mafia it isn’t for that
Want to hear this though---do you think she is mafia? Or just shutting down bad read?
I am having trouble with this re-read of rsoul
Didn't marv say he hadn't read the thread properly at that time? I hardly think that's a good post to read Marv anything in the slightest and seems like a bit of a stretch. You also completely eradicate any town building points with the second quote. What is the point of the first half if you still have questions that need answering?
wtf? Because I want to know what marv thinks of rsoul? How are those things in any way related?
Because your "want to hear this though" -- sounded like you were waiting on his answer to definitively decide his alignment. Is that incorrect?
Yes it is incorrect. Marv feels town to me despite the slot at the current time, and there are bigger fish to fry for the next little while anyway even if it turns out the consensus on Conversion throughout town makes it come further into the spotlight.
Why are you nitpicking at me? It's annoying. Do something fun. Post a seal. I dunno
On March 06 2019 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok wait a minute. I think I found something solid on rsoul?
Am I crazy in that nowhere does she solidly state WHY she thinks Palmar is scum aside from the fact that she likes Rayn's case which she then assumes to be a bus? This gives some context to her waffling a little on it later but earlier on in the day she just states 'he's a scumread' a bunch with almost no context aside from the fact that the idea seems to be gaining some traction. Like the only post where she gives even a bit of information at all, half of it is dedicated to talk about whether he does or doesnt play as scum or town on weekends.
And then later on she mentions how he can push a wagon as scum or town.
This might be it. Like, the rest of her filter looks ok, I don't mind the style where she pops in and snipes stuff here and there because there is actually some work/reads here and there. But it's when it comes to stuff that COUNTS that things always look off to me (ie. reads on me because I know my own alignment, reads on flipped players)
Did you even read my case? Because my case says that right there.
I skimmed it but I think I forgot honestly. I'll give you partial credit in that I've been the one primarily bringing her into the spotlight.
Ok reading it we don't quite say the same things. I think I state it a little more eloquently? :D I wish they weren't so many other people we had to dispose of first.
Gonna be busy now for the majority of the afternoon so if anyone has stuff for me, now's the time. Not sure how much mroe time I'll have after but I'll try.
Wish I could say I'm getting shot tonight but I think my bleh early game will leave enough miniscule doubt in people's minds that I'm not high priority. In case I don't get back:
Do NOT let HF talk you guys into letting him live another cycle. Also listen to BH and kill him.
Acro and I on some serious wavelengths here. Usually mindmeld is town tell but I seem to remember getting burned by it once. Would still never lynch at this point.
I mean to be fair Hf, this time he's right. If town you wanted to go for BEEG PLAYS when it's was clearly a dumb thing to do. Fun, as you said, but dumb.
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.
If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.
He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.
Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.
If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.
He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.
Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.
How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus.
Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia?
Wat?
Also I love how you turn on me the instant i accept any suspicion on you.
You thought HF might be right but you don't say so anywhere. You never raise any suspicion on Palmar at all and are totally fine with his lynch.
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.
If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.
He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.
Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.
How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus.
Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia?
??????
Reads to me like he is saying hmm why would Iamp vote for the scum mayor instead of himself hmmmm but not putting his own distinct thought on it and is just throwing it out there.
I don't have a distinct thought on it. I wasn't aware of any of this before Vivax brought it up because I was more or less blindly townreading you.
I suppose you're right. Carry on. But until you can come up with an explanation for the most ridiculous thing you've done all game that flies way in the face of all your play, you're on the backburner.
oh now that I see it here maybe I'm on a slightly different track than iamp? I'm not on him so much for letting BH off the hook, more for the mystifying switch to HF with no explanation. RIght around EOD is just weird.
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.
If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.
He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.
Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.
How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus.
Because it's irrelevant? Iamp voting me over Palmar or himself as MAYOR does nothing to detract from LYNCHING BH, who Vivax said he wanted to lynch and then killed trfel instead.
I think for some reason I conflated the BH as the mayor lynch which it wassn't---I still want an explanation for the switch onto HF but yeah less of a big deal.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
Yes this is the 100% correct vigi shot. Everyone can lynch holyflare tomorrow but always shoot BH.
On March 06 2019 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you really reiterating something I've been off of since 2 days ago? K rsoul, good to see youre nailing your own coffin. Saves me the work.
No I'm literally answering the question you asked a few hours ago when I wasn't here ^^ Apparently you don't see the connection.
Oh I see you're answering a question I directed at nobody, and to quite you yourself, reading comprehension.
I don't say it had anything to do with you saying 'not like', I say it's because you don't elaborate.
Keep reading though. It gets juicy. I think you'll like it.
On March 06 2019 05:15 Holyflare wrote: This has been a really fucking eventful handful of pages but if you can actually play this game now and find mafia that would be great.
Wave you have a retort to why Slam isn't mafia, please show us why.
I dunno he said something real early on that was super insightful. Moments of lucidity are more commonly town slam, but that was a while ago so who knows I guess.
Also are you referring to me about actually playing this game? Cause bitch I will fly to Amsterdam and/or the UK or wheveer you are right now
On March 06 2019 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you really reiterating something I've been off of since 2 days ago? K rsoul, good to see youre nailing your own coffin. Saves me the work.
No I'm literally answering the question you asked a few hours ago when I wasn't here ^^ Apparently you don't see the connection.
Oh I see you're answering a question I directed at nobody, and to quite you yourself, reading comprehension.
I don't say it had anything to do with you saying 'not like', I say it's because you don't elaborate.
Keep reading though. It gets juicy. I think you'll like it.
Sorry, I read it once and it didn't matter because I'm town so bored zzz
I know you think your flippant attitude comes off as town but it doesn't.
On March 04 2019 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy.
-amused- I'm really not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension. Maybe responsible for being a scattered poster with a chipmunk memory, but that's another thing. The number of people who either don't (or pretend they don't, as the case was last time I remember) get when I say I 'don't like' someone and put them in my lynch list that that's a scumread is kinda staggering.
But carry on boyo. I'm not hating your focus on how people are reading you.
Ok I remember giving her a pass from this explanation earlier but I realize it doesn't actually explain what I want it to She still didn't elaborate on what put me on her list here---I geuss considering her list was supposedly 8 people long here maybe it was just the look of my posting or that something about me felt 'off,' but just why can't seh say so when so many other people had no problem with it? I keep coming back to this and it bothers me so much. As does much of her filter throughout the day where she pokes at people and seems afraid to make reads.
Other times she does though so bleargh Still going
Now I've helped you -pats-
As for Palmar, my read on him was exactly as I said. He wasn't committed to playing weekend OR mostly/completely ignoring it which is totally scum wheelhouse for him. So fight me boi.
Also, just because I've been itching to say it, Acro's case of she's scum for scumreading Palmar for other people sheeping Palmar is the most hilariously awful case I've ever seen rofl >< Even worse that it took him so many words to say it and he even tacked on that I was hypocritical for sheeping Palmar before and scumreading Palmar for being sheeped.
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
You talk about how you hate how much support he's gotten. Not about how Palmar not playing is scummy.
If this is another reading comprehension thing, maybe you should just start posting better.
Nah wave goin nowhere. I think I've been NKed first night all of once. And it wasn't even a good reason iirc. I was actually thinking earlier what my mislynch statistics are I bet theyre super low
God damn it kita why have you made me care about TL mafia again
If that is your justification, as town, to lynch one of the strongest players in the game then you are just as bad as town!HF without the benefit of doing it for funz.
And, like HF, I refuse to believe you are that terrible. You are one of very few people who have flat out caught me as scum. In your damn signature, a quote from Lord Marvellosity himself: "rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
On March 06 2019 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you really reiterating something I've been off of since 2 days ago? K rsoul, good to see youre nailing your own coffin. Saves me the work.
No I'm literally answering the question you asked a few hours ago when I wasn't here ^^ Apparently you don't see the connection.
Oh I see you're answering a question I directed at nobody, and to quite you yourself, reading comprehension.
I don't say it had anything to do with you saying 'not like', I say it's because you don't elaborate.
Keep reading though. It gets juicy. I think you'll like it.
Sorry, I read it once and it didn't matter because I'm town so bored zzz
I know you think your flippant attitude comes off as town but it doesn't.
On March 06 2019 05:18 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:15 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy.
-amused- I'm really not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension. Maybe responsible for being a scattered poster with a chipmunk memory, but that's another thing. The number of people who either don't (or pretend they don't, as the case was last time I remember) get when I say I 'don't like' someone and put them in my lynch list that that's a scumread is kinda staggering.
But carry on boyo. I'm not hating your focus on how people are reading you.
Ok I remember giving her a pass from this explanation earlier but I realize it doesn't actually explain what I want it to She still didn't elaborate on what put me on her list here---I geuss considering her list was supposedly 8 people long here maybe it was just the look of my posting or that something about me felt 'off,' but just why can't seh say so when so many other people had no problem with it? I keep coming back to this and it bothers me so much. As does much of her filter throughout the day where she pokes at people and seems afraid to make reads.
Other times she does though so bleargh Still going
Now I've helped you -pats-
As for Palmar, my read on him was exactly as I said. He wasn't committed to playing weekend OR mostly/completely ignoring it which is totally scum wheelhouse for him. So fight me boi.
Also, just because I've been itching to say it, Acro's case of she's scum for scumreading Palmar for other people sheeping Palmar is the most hilariously awful case I've ever seen rofl >< Even worse that it took him so many words to say it and he even tacked on that I was hypocritical for sheeping Palmar before and scumreading Palmar for being sheeped.
What sort of derpy dumb dumb logic is that? xD
Where do you say this is scum wheelhouse?
On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
You talk about how you hate how much support he's gotten. Not about how Palmar not playing is scummy.
If this is another reading comprehension thing, maybe you should just start posting better.
You're right. I do tend to be unclear when I explain my feels. Palmar-y = like Palmar = town. Thus not Palmar-y is not town. And maybe I should be more clear spelling things out -shrugs-
On March 06 2019 05:34 sicklucker wrote: Ya hf who would you kill. You know i love wifmo battles. It j Helps you no matter what ill wigmo myself to death
On March 06 2019 05:51 Holyflare wrote: You know, I should probably learn to not do anti town things but it's just so hilarious being stuck in groundhog day where the same people say the same things about me being definitely mafia because of this anti town thing I did but they never learn.
I mean I definitely remember lynching you for something dumb you did in another game, but then maybe it's you who should learn not to do dumb things?
Rsoul the point is not HF mafia/HF bad must lynch, it's that the thing HF did is so egregiously anti-town that we can't take the chance that he's not scum,especially knowing what HF is capable of. The 'bad' part is icing
Hf dug his own grave here and he has no one to blame but himself, whether you want to call it his meta or purely in this game alone
On March 06 2019 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Imagine voting Donald Trump because he said he'd build a wall and then getting angry when he tries to build a wall.
Yeah and this is a whole other story, I have no idea wtf the people voting for you were doing from the start but like I said, my bad for having a mostly shit D1
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH.
So, the past few hours are the absolute best indication why HF has to die. I don't even give a shit about his alignment anymore I'm just sick of hearing from and about him.
So much time wasted. Put your votes on him and get your minds off him. Move on.
Also random point, bussing is probably super effective in this game because it's such a long time between throwing out a read and actually getting to lynch the person talked about because we have to deal with stupid hf/bh first
On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote: My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
Wow Rayn has actually shown up to the thread today and it makes me feel good. What took so long? I haven't looked over the Acro case but the one thing that really bothers me (and I can't keep relating everyone to myself) about Acro even though I'm still sticking with a townread on him is he (and LS to some extent) have made a pretty big show of sheeping me, and I'm not the sheepable type. I'm loud when I can be, so that may make me an attractive target to absolve oneself of responsibility?
Regardless Rayn, you can continue on your crusade but I won't be lynching anyone other HF today unless something really remarkable happens. I will check out your Acro case later on when I'm off work/destressed.
On March 07 2019 01:37 sicklucker wrote: if hf is town here is mafia really that big of pussies not to push him here? I dont really think slam and vivax are mafia. I dont think tt or wave are mafia. I dont see any mafia on hf
I do like this point and makes me lean town on SL. Not 100% sure of everyone on the wagon here but I actually do feel good that people haven't piled on because it makes me think mafia are feeling things out Translates to majority of mafia haven't voted yet
Like...this is SUCH a good point by SL this opened up a huge window for me
Town throw their vote on because it pressures and helps discern answers, makes them more easily readable. You could argue throwing your vote on HF doesn't do either of things right now, but even then not everyone is going to be voting HF today. Where are all the people who have reads on other people? Why are they not using their essential voice?
I don't need you to make sure he gets lynched, at least not in this way, and nothing you're doing is furthering the case against him, aside from making it more likely to fuck the game up somehow due to frustration.
On March 07 2019 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote: So the whole scumteam has jumped on your wagon right off the bat? kk
I know you're sad I haven't read your stuff, but I don't have the opportunity to do anything beyond taking potshots and small posts while I'm at work.
You're the scummiest people in this game basically, yes.
Are you saying you town read bc even after that atrocious case he made?
Are you saying you town read bh?
Are you saying you town read Alakaslam when all he's doing is sitting at the sidelines doing nothing but rehashing that he wants to lynch me but each time the reason gets countered he shifts it to a new one?
Are you saying you town read vivax after his 180 when lynching bh would make Vivax's alignment way more known? After I made some analysis on the bh vote changes and Vivax, who is in the best position to explain them, decides to troll and say everyone defending me is mafia? The dude could straight up solve the game from his position and he knows as much. He also campaigned solidly for a bh lynch, wanted to vote iamp in mayor to lynch bh and then swapped to save bh at the last second. Now he wants nothing to do with bh.
I haven't even looked at BC. Yes I townread both Slam and Acro. Vivax I'm a little more null as of late. I'll have to look into him again as well.
Lazy, HF. Real lazy. You truly think that scum are all gung ho about piling all their votes immediately on you when boasically nobody else has done shit, not allowing them to hide in the slightest?
You want me to engage you and stop whining about people taking about you, sure.
Let me rephrase things, yes there are a lot of people being real lazy around your lynch right now, that was to be expected.
But you think it's MORE likely that all the people who have come into the thread and put their money where their mouth is are scum than all those who talk about it a little and then fuck off without doing anything?
On March 07 2019 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't need you to make sure he gets lynched, at least not in this way, and nothing you're doing is furthering the case against him, aside from making it more likely to fuck the game up somehow due to frustration.
If that's your goal, we can lynch you next.
I’m sorry, what’s the goal of this game? To lynch mafia right? Not to play nice with your feelings and make sure everyone’s happy
That flies in the face of everything that is basic mafia play. Why the fuck does the whole team need to come out and play when there are FIFTEEN people lurking and not doing a whole hell of a lot?
On March 07 2019 02:24 Tictock wrote: Up for the day and seeing how far I get catchup reading before I get bored.
Reading the most recent few pages I get a strong vibe that Wave is town for how strongly he is pushing HF.
I could also see Vivax being town and doing what he is doing now. Not a very clear read, kinda biased based on my initial vibe from him.
As for HF, well my post about why I would not vote him for mayor still stands. He talks a lot but generally I don't think he has great reads, so yall should feel bad for voting him in because he is always a terrible Mayor. His choice to lynch Palmar was super, SUPER, shitty. Sadly this all boils down to an "Im not sure" conclusion from me though. I could see mafia!Flare taking the opportunity to off Palmar and rely on his ability to talk his way out of shit to dodge the lynch (don't at all buy his excuse of "I wouldn't do this as mafia" shit), I also felt like his recent post of "of the ppl voting me, these are the scum" was pretty shallow (of those I think Bloody is the only clear scummy guy). Yet I could still see this all being town!Flare just being kinda shitty. So I guess I'd say like 60% mafia!Flare for me right now.
Sticking with my not voting till I have read more. I'll try and keep reading the current bit of the thread, so I'll try to respond if people wanna ask me stuff or shout at me. I expect both.
Fuck me, HF probably really is town. Going through the effort of pulling people off of him is a giant pain in the ass especially since he's still a huge question mark in a lot of ways, and if we lynch someone else (in all likelihood, BH) today people are still going to constantly be on his ass.
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
You know this argument can be applied to literally anyone in the game who doesn't currently want HF dead, right?
I'll get to my reasons and all the filter diving anyone could want when I get home from work. That is a Wave promise™.
In the meantime---hey Vivax. The people trying to deflect from HF---all scum? If HF is town he is likely a huge goal from scum today. Any reasons why scum would try to blow up what could be considered a near-sure thing that they don't need to put any effort into?
This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.
I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.
On March 07 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote: You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game:
You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out.
If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at:
These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel.
I just want to make it known that while I agree with some of this, I have been in this exact scenario multiple times with BH on the line, and he has flipped both alignments. Dude's still gotta die, but it's the lack of straightforward play from a whole bunch of people that make games difficult.
This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.
I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.
You think I lynched Palmar and also simultaneously started the wagon on my partner?
Didn't you just post about how you also liked Rsoul's posts?????
You've done it before first of all, and where did I say I like rsoul's posts? I absolutely remember a game where you bussed your partner day 1 and carried yourself till a LYLO victory. Why do you think you're on the block, my dear?
Also if you don't constantly want people talking about you, then stop jumping up like a rabid dog anytime anyone even remotely mentions your name. It's a list post, nothing more.
While we're somewhat onthe good feels train right now, I hope that most people if not everyone feels the same way as me in that a lot of the toxicity that has/had come to be a part of TL mafia and a big part of why I quit hasn't been present in this game.
Egos, arguing, yelling, sure. But that's a part of the game. The escalation and hurt feelings I think have been missing and I'd love to see that continued.
On March 07 2019 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote: While we're somewhat onthe good feels train right now, I hope that most people if not everyone feels the same way as me in that a lot of the toxicity that has/had come to be a part of TL mafia and a big part of why I quit hasn't been present in this game.
Egos, arguing, yelling, sure. But that's a part of the game. The escalation and hurt feelings I think have been missing and I'd love to see that continued.
On March 07 2019 05:02 Holyflare wrote: I find it fucking farcical the moment I try and expand on another topic that isn't me someone tries to drag it right back to talking about me.
fuck you.
squirm and dance for us you prick.
You do this to everyone else, every fucking game and cant take it when its at you.
On March 07 2019 22:49 LightningStrike wrote: For now I am voting BH as a placeholder/ information lynch.
With rsoultin of all people? kk
Palmar, marv, Koshi wanted HF dead
Now you probably don't know ace and BC, but they are the "old guard" of this forum. They both want HF dead and so far the only dudes casing them are coincidentially the ones opposing the HF lynch, so.
I'd love it if you voted HF.
I believe it was also shown that Marv and palmar were leaning town on him later on. And I dunno what koshi was doing.
If we're going to sheep dead player reads we should be lynching sent.
Anyway, hf is pretty likely town here. Fuck cases, fuck reading through 80 page filters. That's not how this game gets won.
Hf does have limits to what he's capable of. I had kind of forgotten that. Deflecting suspicion for the entirety of a game is not where he likes to be. Sure he can put forth more sheer effort than nearly anybody else, but that is a tall order. Way more likely he actually did what he said and was dumb because he loves being right and looking right.
It honestly seems pretty simple once you cut out all the bullshit. If I'm wrong here I'll eat that be a use I'm going back completely on what I said myself. If we lynch hf anyway and he's town, I'm kind of ok with it because it's on him.
I'll be voting BH barring any extreme circumstances at this point now. I think BH is a 50/50 but he has a much lower chance of flipping green.
My candidate if people want to try for crazy shit at the end of a day is the Pandain slot. I'm like 90 per ebt certain that's scum. We don't learn much from it, but it's solid.
On March 07 2019 22:56 Vivax wrote: Marv wasn't being super pushy about it, but he said it very clearly that HF needs to die for killing Palmar, cause that's the logical thing to do. Same for Palmar. "If he actually kills me he has to die".
The doubt in their posts later is there cause they weren't able to pin him down on more than that.
And you'd be right, but there's punishing hf for being an idiot (a d also punishing ourselves) or actually attempting to win.
They are right he absolutely should die. But with or without me I know how these things go, and that's not going to happen.
On March 07 2019 22:56 Vivax wrote: Marv wasn't being super pushy about it, but he said it very clearly that HF needs to die for killing Palmar, cause that's the logical thing to do. Same for Palmar. "If he actually kills me he has to die".
The doubt in their posts later is there cause they weren't able to pin him down on more than that.
And you'd be right, but there's punishing hf for being an idiot (a d also punishing ourselves) or actually attempting to win.
They are right he absolutely should die. But with or without me I know how these things go, and that's not going to happen.
I believe you are playing favouritism mafia, not real mafia well knowing that the odds he's scum are insanely high.
They're not, actually. Dual town wagons are way more likely D1 (mayor or lynch) and I've already explained why else I don't think hf being scum is likely. Voting him out of fear isn't worth it for me.
People who are voting HF, if you're doing so for filter dive-y and NOT mod reasons, I won't stop you.
This to me is the clearest case on a town hf. It's absolutely possible I'm wrong here and if the game goes late, remember, but if scum HF truly pulled off what he did D1 that's insanely impressive, even for him and we as a whole deserve to lose for falling for it and lynching #1 town voice.
Hf does have limits to what he's capable of. I had kind of forgotten that. Deflecting suspicion for the entirety of a game is not where he likes to be. Sure he can put forth more sheer effort than nearly anybody else, but that is a tall order. Way more likely he actually did what he said and was dumb because he loves being right and looking right.
On March 08 2019 02:15 Vivax wrote: I just realized one awesome thing:
If HF is scum, he's fucked either way as long as we only have BH + HF wagons as it means that if BH flips scum as well. mafia didn't save BH by voting the counterwagon, so it confirms the scum vs scum scenario, or at least makes it very likely unless HF argues that everyone on him was mafia to begin with.
If you are town, don't vote outside these two for maximum information gain.
On March 08 2019 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I mean sure mafiarsoultin could have kept quiet, but there’s probably plenty reasons to claim too. Don’t agree she’s confirmed.
she is confirmed because of dick move analysis.
This term is thrown around so much lately I think people forgot what it originally meant.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
... Why would you play the game if you're having surgery?
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
It’s basically just HF vs BH.
Okay, i'll try to read through EoD1 and see what I uncover
Oh FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I had this all written out and then I closed the tab. Had to write it all again. I even fished through the memorydump from Chrome and recovered some pieces, but it was piecemeal and scattered
See spoiler for tech foibles. This took me longer than I thought, and I thought it would take a while. Anyway, here are the two main reasons there is no doubt that Holyflare is scum:
Exhibit A: the "locked in" waffle First, lets establish the timeline. Your honor, we need to establish that holyflare was on the scene!
00:57:
On March 05 2019 08:57 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Trfel
00:58:
On March 05 2019 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote blazinghand
On March 05 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:55 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened?
Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise.
You and Exo
You guys need to explain your scumread on me
But I don't have a scumread on you?
I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all.
Why are you voting to lynch me then?
I'm not? Unless you mean voting Holyflare for mayor, because I trust him to do the right thing. And I kinda expect he won't kill you, but I probably shouldn't say that, it makes him more likely to. But you asked.
I've re-submitted my lynch to Palmar from Palmar.
00:59:
On March 05 2019 08:59 Conversion wrote: ##unvote ##vote trfel
01:00:
On March 05 2019 09:00 Holyflare wrote: lol I didn't kill palmar
01:10:
On March 05 2019 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
So we've established beyond reasonable doubt that Holyflare was on the scene and, if he had wanted to, could have sent a PM to kita asking to kill BH instead of Palmar. Now, your honor, I submit that Holyflare never wanted to change. This does not make him scum (well, it does, but he can wifom his way out of this). What makes him scum is him prevaricating about changing.
Post-flip he gets pressured a bit and says:
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
But he was right there the whole time. He knew BH was not getting lynched. He even got PM'd by the hosts about it:
On March 06 2019 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of reads.
Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post.
Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad.
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
You keep bringing this up as if it means something to us. There's gonna be some host wifom here, but not a lot:
1. I know Kita and dandel and don't think they're dicks. If you PM'd them after the vote shenanigans and said you wanted to kill BH, I'll believe they'd allow it. So based on that I believe the PM was never sent. And the PM you will show us post-game is your role PM saying you win with scum.
2. If this were true, and Kita didn't let you change the target, why'd we have to drag it out of you? It would literally be the first thing out of mouth post-flip: "shit, tried to change it, but wasn't allowed to". It would even have made sense with your "I didn't kill Palmar" post. But you didn't say anything. You didn't even say anything when called out on your troll post. This "I tried to change it but couldn't" narrative only came wayyyyy later. In fact, your whole behavior around the flip is what makes me quite sure you're scum: first the troll post makes it clear you aren't worried about your decision. Then the flip and the feels there are that you are gloating. Not shocked at how wrong you were and killed a fellow town leader.
On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote: You guys knew what you were voting for :D
Go die, scum.
No, they're not dicks. I PMd them to lynch Palmar on the flight home. When the flip happened kita PMd me saying palmar is now the lynch. I probably could have PMd saying that I'd rather switch to BH and probably should have but:
A) i thought the flip was literally going to happen straight away
B) I was too tired to even care
C) I wanted to lynch palmar anyway
You don't have to care about these series of events but if what it takes is cheating to make people actually play the game and talk about scum reads that aren't me I'm not above doing it. There's no banlist and it's the last game ever.
Maybe then you'd actually have to produce some content that isn't rhetoric about lynching me.
On March 06 2019 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Guys we lynching HF because of him killing Palmar over BH who was the opposite wagon of Tfrel was so antitown that I don't think he would do that as Town in that situation. I don't think a town HF is that big of an idiot to use the mayor lynch on a very active Palmar like that.
Also his slipperiness on why he did this. It's not just that he promised, as he now claims, he was previously saying he got caught off guard and couldn't change it in time.
Also pls vigi me
This is true and I will prove it, just after the game.
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch
Can we just fucking drop this and I will prove it to you after the game?
So we have Holyflare claiming he would absolutely 100% have changed his vote, but he couldn't. We have no evidence pointing to say that he couldn't. And we have Holyflare claiming that he didn't want to change his vote anyway. We also have him claiming he was too tired, despite not going to bed until at least 2 hours later:
On March 05 2019 10:50 Holyflare wrote: Stuff
So Holyflare is just throwing reasons around for why he ended up killing Palmar, and definitely can't keep is story straight. What is it? Was it locked in? Or did he not even try? Don't bother answering, as the answer doesn't really matter. The point of this exchange is that holyflare was waffling. And when he got caught wafffling, he started to mix up the story.
This is because the entire story was made up in the first place. Holyflare never had the slightest intent of switching to him, as exhibited by the timeline above. Holyflare was here and active, and was even trolling us about killing or not killing Palmar. Which brings us to exhibit B.
Exhibit B: the post-flip victory dance Your honor, I call my first witness Dr. P. S. Ychologist. Now bear with me, this will be a bit long. But at the end it will be demonstrated beyond a doubt that the motive for killing Palmar can only come from mafia.
Dr. Ychologist, what do you think of Holyflare's personality? "Well, I don't know the young man very well, but everything I have seen about him is that he suffers from the narcissistic egomaniac syndrome"
Ah. And what does this mean? "It means that he cannot fathom that the world does not revolve around him. He cannot be wrong, nor can it be that someone else is perhaps held in higher esteem at any point. I would like to add that this is being generous. If the young man is perchance not an egomaniac then there is absolutely no way we could possibly explain his behaviour as upright. Egomania is a serious disorder, but not necessarily mafia."
Okay, so you believe holyflare's mindset is that of a mafioso, despite his disorder, and not because of it. "That is correct."
Right. But why? "Well, let us imagine we are the young accused. It is almost flip time and the mayor vote cannot possibly elude him. He is feeling empowered, ya? He is the king of town, and he has found a scum Palmar."
Wait. As an egomaniac does he care that Palmar is scum? Or does he only care that Palmar was a competitor? "We have questioned the accused, and present the transcripts. There is no doubt about his claims: he says he believed the victim to be a mafioso"
On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
"When further pressed upon this matter he let there be no doubt he absolutely believed Palmar to be a mafioso at the time"
On March 06 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:39 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did.
No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy.
Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy?
So there is no doubt this was not just done for the lolz? "No. Even though the lolz might have figured into the kill. He claims he was doing it in order to rid Liquidia of scum"
This seems like a very noble deed. But it is not true, is it? "Unfortunately not. To see why, we need to analyse the young man's behaviour when the deed was done. The accused was cocky. He was even --- what do the kids these days call it? --- trolling. Let us be charitable and attribute this to the young man being extremely certain he was murdering a mafioso."
On March 05 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:55 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened?
Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise.
You and Exo
You guys need to explain your scumread on me
But I don't have a scumread on you?
I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all.
Why are you voting to lynch me then?
I'm not? Unless you mean voting Holyflare for mayor, because I trust him to do the right thing. And I kinda expect he won't kill you, but I probably shouldn't say that, it makes him more likely to. But you asked.
I've re-submitted my lynch to Palmar from Palmar.
On March 05 2019 09:00 Holyflare wrote: lol I didn't kill palmar
Now let us skip forward to after young Palmar tragically bled out in the streets of Liquidia and his blood ran blue.
The accused responded with:
On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote: You guys knew what you were voting for :D
There is no surprise. No remorse. No self-doubt. Now this could have been explained from a deceipted townsman if he had claimed he was doing it, as they say 'for the lulz'. It would even fit his egomaniac personality to do it only for this reason. But that is not what the accused has claimed. So let us put ourselves in his shoes for a second: he has been voted 'the blade of Liquidia' and in front of him stands the evil Palmar, lord of scumsters united. He thrusts his blade straight into Palmar's heart and a spurt of blue blood streams out as Palmar yells, with his dying breath + Show Spoiler [I'm a cop you idiot] +
The instinctive reaction of an upright townie who truly believed that Palmar was scum, regardless of narcissism, would be shock, disbelief, remorse. Yet none of that is evident in the accused's reaction. He seems... self-satisfied"
Self-satisfied? "Yes. He doesn't blame himself. He immediately shifts the blame to "those who voted for him". Moreover, he is happy about it, as evidenced by his smiling laugh. This is not the look of a man devastated by his bad choice. This is the look of a man who has pulled off the caper of a century, yet has to somehow dissimulate it all as a big mistake."
Aha. So there is no way this could just be egomaniacal pride about having shiv'd Palmar for the lulz? "It is my informed opinion that that is not possible. He is fully aware that he looks guilty as all hell, yet is somehow still flippant about it:
On March 05 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote: not mafia tho
Combine this with his insistance that he was scumreading Palmar all game, and it just doesn't add up."
Thank you very much for your help, Dr. Ychologist.
The prosecution rests their case. We deem it shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that holyflare murdered Palmar with mafioso intentions, and we request the maximum penalty: death by lynching.
And this:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
Okay, I read through this and I think exhibit B is thoroughly meh level. It feels like you were just framing everything post flip to fit the narrative that HF is scum. Like the whole "he had an evil smiley face!" thing... I know some people put stock into that with rsoultin or something, but I think exhibit B just proves that HF has a big ego, which we all already knew and seems pretty NAI to me.
What does intrigue me about exhibit A is the fact that HF has like three different explanations about why he lynched Palmar? If I understand correctly, HF basically said each of these at some point
1) If I would've known BH wasn't the lynch, I would've mayor lynched him over Palmar (unclear as to the reasoning on this one?) 2) I couldn't change my lynch even if I wanted to, which I just said I did would've wanted to, but I didn't want to because [insert reasons] 3) I definitely wanted to lynch Palmar because I didn't like the vaguness of his posts and because he didn't have legit scumreads until late into D1.
For me, this is the scummiest part of the whole Palmar mayor lynch thing. The story changing like three times to justify the lynch doesn't make sense to me from a town POV. Either you regret not making BH the mayor lynch, or you don't. I don't understand why there's the logical disconnect.
I was also of the mindset that HF was just baiting for reactions to the Palmar lynch plan, and that he would end up lynching someone else, but I didn't find it as offensively bad that he went through with it, as others did. It's the reasoning post mortem that is highly questionable.
Regarding BH's post, there's definitely a part of me that could see that play, IIRC, HF has debated his way out of a lynch while having a red check on him, so the idea that he would've been so scared of an auto lynch that it would force a fake claim isn't super convincing. I mean, hell, if he did what BH is claiming, he's STILL wiggling out of this lynch even with a fake vigi claim.
I read through HF's EoD1 and it wasn't great/very passive imo. He calls Trfel "scumish" in this post, and BH "scum," but provides more reasoning for Trfel than BH.
Scummish: Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Scum: Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Five minutes later, Trfel goes from scummish to "very innocent"
On March 05 2019 08:27 iamperfection wrote: holy go vote for blazinghand
I'm the first vote on blazinghand. I still think he should be the lynch over trfel. Trfel seems very innocent here.
Although I do note the convenient timing of his return...
I had an appointment I left for. I came back and I'm skipping dinner and I'm skipping hanging out with a friend to play this game and try and survive. I can't skip my commitments to play mafia, I was already late because I was playing mafia too long, it literally would not have been possible for me to play more and still make my appointment.
Sorry for prioritizing real life and my personal well-being over a game.
I'd rather you didn't show up and just had fun with your friends my dude :D
Okay maybe you've sold me on the weird smiley face thing from Exhibit B. I don't remember HF ever being an emoticon person, especially with weird comments like this lol
On March 05 2019 08:27 iamperfection wrote: holy go vote for blazinghand
I'm the first vote on blazinghand. I still think he should be the lynch over trfel. Trfel seems very innocent here.
Although I do note the convenient timing of his return...
I had an appointment I left for. I came back and I'm skipping dinner and I'm skipping hanging out with a friend to play this game and try and survive. I can't skip my commitments to play mafia, I was already late because I was playing mafia too long, it literally would not have been possible for me to play more and still make my appointment.
Sorry for prioritizing real life and my personal well-being over a game.
I also don't actually know why you're up for lynch other than a minimal amount of things in your filter and people circle jerking into it.
So Trfel has gone from "scummish w/ reasons" to "pretty innocent" to "idk why you're up for lynch, even though I just talked about stuff in your filter that I found scummy." This progression took place over the course of 15 minutes
He ends the day calling ExO mafia for making the same read I made on Trfel EoD
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
how the hell can you think that
Which part?
he dosent look town at all
He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this.
To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
Okay, you're back to mafia again :D
may even clinch this mayor lynch from palmar
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I haven't looked into BH yet, but HF's play EoD would make a whole lot more sense if he and BH are scum together. I guess his play could also make sense if he's scum and Trfel vs. BH was TvT; I just don't see how it makes sense if HF is town and genuinely believed that Trfel was innocent and that BH was scum.
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ughhhhhhhhhh
I think the important thing is voting today may simply not be alignment indicative on the main wagons. Have to compare to yesterday after the flip. And look at the outliers and late voters.
On March 08 2019 05:59 Vivax wrote: Seems lazy I know, but Im pretty happy with just judging him off his early posts alone. Today is scum vs scum and in that case making a third wagon is pointless.
If this is the case, why has there been such a torrent of activity that essentially only amounts to people picking one of the two wagons anyway? And then what of the people trying for a third wagon?
On March 08 2019 06:11 Ace wrote: I will say I'm kind of rooting for this lynch to fail just to see the WIFOM bombs, blame game, and hilarious posts that will come from it 🤣
Fuck if Holyfield survives another day/night cycle 🤦🏼♂️
On March 08 2019 06:48 LightningStrike wrote: Tina is town BC.
Give me a fucking reason man. I have not played with a ton of you guys / gals and to see someone play that badly as town is baffling. I can't see any logical reason to it beyond being scum. Mixed with that vote like wtf.
Dude you've played like.. 5 games in the past 5 years? I know the rawr I'm angry thing is your thing and all, but clearly you have no idea what the state of TL mafia has been since 2010.
On March 08 2019 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Hf I feel like so much of what you've done is based on whether people are defending you or what their reads of the unflipped BH are.
That's.... The point. This post is entirely based on their read of bh and how it's evolved from the d1 lynch where they were voting trfl and not bh.
But it's oreflipped association where you always assume he's scum. What if he's not?
On March 08 2019 08:07 Holyflare wrote: If wave switches off bh to me he is 100% mafia. Just don't forget his posts about me when he inevitably does it.
Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Gonna do a little work on this tonight and maybe some light filter diving. I won't be lynching HF tomorrow so I have to figure out which of the garbage is worth taking out first.
Off the bat NKs are probably Rels and Vivax, and if scum does have that third KP, maybe rayn?
On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant.
Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted.
On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant.
Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted.
But by all means Ace, school me.
Are you sure no one else had a chance of getting lynched? Less than four hours before the lynch, this was the standing:
Not Voting (7): LightningStrike, Blazinghand, ExO_, rsoultin, darthfoley, Koshi, Ace
At this point I'd say the field was wide open, and the eventual lynch was fourth in the standings. It could be useful for someone who has the constitution to wade through those four hours of crap and piece together what went down again.
I believe this was after BH started martyring (given the votes on him) but before his wagon went full steam ahead. The Acro and Conversion wagons dissolved and we coalesced into BH and trfel. If Acro's town like I believe, then none of the four leading wagons were hitting scum. =/
On March 08 2019 18:57 Acrofales wrote: I don't support a holyflare lunch tomorrow. D2 was totally lost because of making it about holyflare vs BH. Holyflare is probably scum, but it's clear he made himself unlynchable with a whole army of Sheeples who aren't even playing the game. So we just need to kill off the rest of his team first. I also realized that because of D2, I don't even know where the rest of the scum is. They're in a huge pile of blehhhhhhhhhh. I read exo_ fully expecting to think he was scum, but he is no worse than the whole pile of shitty inactives, which includes you, pandain.
I will be ignoring everything HF says for the rest of the game, and am || <- this close to doing the same with rayn.
If someone wants me to comment on something holyflare said, please quote it as I am literally skipping over any post he makes.
PS. I will treat pandain as modconfirmed town, as I refuse to believe mods would allow a scummer to replace out and back in again. So that makes 3 confirmed townies
Why not acro? I'm still pretty sure the slot is scum.
On March 08 2019 19:38 Holyflare wrote: You will not hear another post from me other than cases and pushes for the rest of the game. Sorry if I spammed it too much and made it unreadable.
It's not the spam that makes it unreadable you know, it's your goddamn 735 page filter. And that's not changing any time soon, so you keep doing you, boo.
On March 09 2019 00:57 Ace wrote: There are follow ups to that plan. I've explained it - the Mayor vote was just a way for me to tie any of the candidates to a strong stance and on whom to lynch. Whatever action they took or wouldn't take after making that stance clear determined my approach to them.
Once I found HFs reasons for killing Palmar ridiculous he was Scum for me. Day 2, even when forgetting all of Day 1 also read Scum for me. Middle of Day 2, let's say 8 hours or so before EoD HFs wagon is getting derailed. It's not even just the moronic votes for BH either. You have people making cases as reasons to vote for anyone but HF lol. While it seems easy to say Blazinghand was more probable to flip Town than Scum, I can somewhat see people thinking he's a good lynch if they are to totally lost on to what's going on. However, some of that lynch BH stuff came from people active in the thread. Which shows that they are reading the thread but not for comprehension . And you don't need to check the voting times to see it either. But killing HF is step 1.
If we waste another day on HF and he turns up town this game is over.
I am not voting HF today, and I encourage the entirety of town to look beyond and vote into the garbage/scum that deserves it.
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain.
I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither.
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain.
I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither.
-shrugs- I'm not townreading them.
As for Ace and BC...I don't know why exactly you think they can't both be scum? Are you townreading one of them?
Not sure. Seems unlikely they both go hard on HF the way they have as scum though. Most likely 1:1 or both town.
On March 09 2019 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: And it's the easiest thing ever to emulate as mafia.
This is fair. It's also the timing; there have been a couple times where they both come into thread storming away at him at the same time. Just seems unlikely.
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain.
I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither.
-shrugs- I'm not townreading them.
As for Ace and BC...I don't know why exactly you think they can't both be scum? Are you townreading one of them?
Not sure. Seems unlikely they both go hard on HF the way they have as scum though. Most likely 1:1 or both town.
Eh, this sort of argument especially before any scum flips is never terribly convincing to me, I guess. BC didn't seem to go hard on anything? Granted I was reading after the fact but it seemed more like RANTYYELLYRAGEY -peace out- heh
That's BC though. Are you the meta type? Go look at past games of his.
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain.
I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither.
-shrugs- I'm not townreading them.
As for Ace and BC...I don't know why exactly you think they can't both be scum? Are you townreading one of them?
Not sure. Seems unlikely they both go hard on HF the way they have as scum though. Most likely 1:1 or both town.
Eh, this sort of argument especially before any scum flips is never terribly convincing to me, I guess. BC didn't seem to go hard on anything? Granted I was reading after the fact but it seemed more like RANTYYELLYRAGEY -peace out- heh
That's BC though. Are you the meta type? Go look at past games of his.
I am but it's a slog to get the nuances and not just the does x yell or not, so I think I won't bother unless I'm actually still in the game tomorrow. #lazyrsoulislazy
I have no doubt that he's...ahem...acerbic? in general. Unless you're saying the yelling itself is alignment indicative?
I don't. You seem to think it is though if you're calling him out for ranting and then leaving.
On March 09 2019 01:51 Vivax wrote: Seems like you put it there just to make it seem like it's a possibility you are seriously entertaining when you should know it is extremely unlikely.
Hey I'd love to be wrong about her cause it would make my day easier. As things stand any NKs outside those I've mentioned should be actually quite informative.
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain.
I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither.
-shrugs- I'm not townreading them.
As for Ace and BC...I don't know why exactly you think they can't both be scum? Are you townreading one of them?
Not sure. Seems unlikely they both go hard on HF the way they have as scum though. Most likely 1:1 or both town.
Eh, this sort of argument especially before any scum flips is never terribly convincing to me, I guess. BC didn't seem to go hard on anything? Granted I was reading after the fact but it seemed more like RANTYYELLYRAGEY -peace out- heh
That's BC though. Are you the meta type? Go look at past games of his.
I am but it's a slog to get the nuances and not just the does x yell or not, so I think I won't bother unless I'm actually still in the game tomorrow. #lazyrsoulislazy
I have no doubt that he's...ahem...acerbic? in general. Unless you're saying the yelling itself is alignment indicative?
I don't. You seem to think it is though if you're calling him out for ranting and then leaving.
As with many things, the way in which people do things is more important than the what.
On March 09 2019 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Dat typo Acro lmao. But more serious note though there is probably lurking scum based on EoD1 wagon somewhere but idk who it is though. Will dive in later.
On March 09 2019 02:35 LightningStrike wrote: Tina is town though Vivax because of her qt thing with Rels. She could of kept quiet and told her scummates in the scum qt instead of just blurting it out in the thread the way she did.
I don't feel this alignment indicative at all. She could very well have done both.
Feels like I'm living in a twilight zone where a bunch of people read 'The Idiot's Guide to Playing Mafia' and are looking up what to do in certain situations so they don't have to engage critical thinking skills and/or cover up behaviour.
On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum.
Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales.
All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +
I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia.
Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
Calling out Acro on hypocrisy---fine and all but that just never ends up being how scum out themselves. I agree he scumread iamp way too long (and that was odd) but iamp's case on him was fairly weak to begin with.
I can agree with your bringing up that Acro hasn't done a whole lot (that I can remember off the top of my head) since latching onto HF and I talk about that a little closer to the bottom---that feels like it's wroth looking into mroe as time passes. I don't think people should be taking free passes on HF at all despite that large garbagey post by Ace. I have to look into Acro himself a little closer.
On March 07 2019 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the last addition to my points on Acrofales, after this i will stop and probably afk.
So. Lets see, where does rsoultin go with her investigation into Palmar. I tell you, it's nowhere. She doesn't try to engage with Palmar. She doesn't analyse Palmar's posts. Nada. She just throws shade:
On March 03 2019 18:32 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote: When did I ever make a case on rayn wtf?
You didn't that I recall.
Though I like his Palmar read.
Rayn at the time had a pretty weak scumread on Palmar based on (1) Palmar thinking I was looking townie, and (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent. There really wasn't much there, but this is literally the only justification for rsoultin going after Palmar [...]
This is a big part of his case on rsoultin. rsoultin's early read on Palmar and where it came from. At this point Palmar had said; - not gonna play, it's weekend - Policy lynch Sentinel - HF might be town - "thanks i hate it" on one of my posts, whatever that meant - some more posts which say "lynch Sentinel"
rsoultin agreed at the time with my read on Palmar, and Acrofales criticises the reasoning. The problem is that this is Acrofales' reasoning for me thinking Palmar is mafia: (1) Palmar thinking I [acro] was looking townie (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent
First of all (1) had never happened at that time. Second of all, for (2), i have absolutely no idea where he read rayn scumreads Palmar for wanting to lynch Sentinel, because these are all my words on Palmar at that point;
iamperfection actually looks really townie from later posts. I am okay with him being mayor. (Or go with Palmars plan, although he is prolly mafia but i cba of he just kills sentinel).
I think Palmar found an easy way out to "play" during weekend on sentinel and os trying to look better. I dont really believe he comes and says "hi see you on monday i dont play on weekends" and then starts reading the thread anyways as town. If you know palmar you probably know what i mean.
I mean i literally encouraged his policy lynch rather than find it scummy.
Okay so, let's pretend Acrofales made a mistake with timestamps and pretend i had all my stuff on Palmar already. here's the rest of what i updated on my read on him:
On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote: Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh.
Acro is town.
Wave, oats I'm on board with.
Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.
Chez also a no. He seems fine.
LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch.
Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow.
Mate you really are mafia lol
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He's pointing out you seem to have switched opinions on rayn
I have. The longer rayn goes without shitting up the thread the more I suspect him of scummy shenanigans.
That's not to say scumrayn isn't an abusive asshole. He's generally more tunnelly as scum than as town, at least in my obviously imperfect recollection. But rayn is being uncharacteristically passive and the longer it goes the more I suspect him.
Town rayn shits up the thread trying to find scum. Scum rayn shits up the thread for the sake of shitting up the thread. But rayn never doesn't shut up the thread. New behavior is weird. And probably scum weird.
Why does rayn's activity have anything to do with his alignment? Palmar should also know this, and it's why he's mafia because it's a poor excuse to scum read rayn when there's plenty of other reasons to.
Rayn works long hours so often goes long times without activity. The last thing he did when he was here was shit up the thread. This is a poor flip flop acro.
Rayn did quickly defuse when I was arguing with him though, although some of it may be my reluctance to engage in the argument with him.
I don't know what it means.
Yeah i tried to actually talk with you when you asked me to, then you never answered anything but with nonsense posts and then left.. So there is that.
this one isn't entirely about acrofales, and definitely NOT because he read him town
On March 04 2019 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: [....] You literally said nothing in your post towards acro except that you basically confessed you had a townread on him based on shit things and that you hadn't actually read him at all and apparently weren't even willing to do that.
So mr. Palmar now you are just lying.
I can maybe see how this turns into just "he townread Acro" in some idiots mind, but even if that was the case Palmar himself confessed he was guilty of this so how can rsoultin (or me) be blamed of being mafia because of a "shit scumread" when we actually called out CORRECT things regardless of Palmar's affiliation?? (note that while this is not a reason why rsoultin scumread Palmar, but Acrofales thought it is so it's relevant to the case).
How can any fucking townie not read things above properly enough to: 1) call rsoultin scum based on that 2) what i bolded in red
?????????????
The red was NOT a big part of his case on rsoul, I commented a lot on that earlier. As far as him making a mistake on you, first of all, seems obvious to me that mafia is less likely to make a mistake like that (especially for fear of drawing your attention because of how houndish you can be about little things like this). I see what you mean about the contradiction in how he scums you/rsoul but sue me Rayn,it doesn't feel all that egregious to me.
The one thing bothering me the MOST about Acro's play is (like LS) he sheeped me pretty hardcore in regards to HF, and when I strayed from the path I had set up for myself, Acro stayed the course. I take issue with this only because I don't feel like I'm a player worth sheeping even at my best, and I certainly have not been playing my best. It gives me the willies when anyone decides I'm a strong enough voice to just latch on to. The rest of his play has been fine in my opinion and I don't plan on lynching him any time soon barring something super awful I find when I look him up. I think there are way higher priority targets to go on.
On March 09 2019 05:51 Pandain wrote: Like come on WoS, are we really not going to lynch someone who gets caught in an obvious lies like this?
WoS has a history of friendship with HF. LS with tina, Rels with a bunch of other people. Sadly it influences their game especially if the latter are scum and play the emo card.
Honestly, I really like this post. You're right. I wouldn't say HF is playing the emo card though---almost everything he has done he can/has done as either alignment and that's honestly not what I'm reading him on.
It comes down to the KISS principle (for those who don't know, Keep It Simple, Stupid). Is it more likely HF made a huge play to try and lynch Palmar early when he knew he'd be dodging suspicion the entirety of the rest of the game? Or more likely he did a stupid, stupid thing and bragged about it? The thing that has made me change my mind on him aside from this is that in the past I'd be lynching him out of fear because I know what he is capable of. I DO believe his capable of either of the things I laid out above, what I DON'T believe, is that he'd want to play the entire game under duress.
Forget about his ridiculously long filter. There's nothing to be gained from trying to sift through that. Just analyze his behaviour around D1 and decide what you think---it's more likely to come from scum or town. I believe HF made an incredibly dumb and anti-town play in the name of attempting to be right. And while the Ace's and BC's (etc) of the world will try to tell you to lynch him for being anti-town (and in theory they're right of course) that's unfortunately not where TL Mafia has been for years now. If we only ever lynched liars/anti-town players/ lurkers, scum would win every single game.
In regards to Ace/BC themselves, they are either both town and playing up their 'old school' nature (which is kind of annoying) or one of them is scum and playing it up even though they know it doesn't quite apply anymore. Pandain is scum for following it---the slot looked bad to me before AMG replaced in, AMG did dick all and posted some stats to make himself look better, then replaced out again.
Ps I'm not posting about HF anymore. Everyone knows where.im at on him and why. If he continues to shit up the thread just lynch him and be done with it.
So this was me yesterday I left the date so you know I’m not doing a BH empty boxes. I am home now but on more pain meds than normal sooooo.... stuff tomorrow if I’m not shot by scum lol or a vigi.
Trying to look into the garbage little by little Will probably half ass out a reads phonepost at some point
So far
Ff/Tubesock likely town. Throwing out reads, ease of posting. Tumbkewood nitpicking at stuff that isn't alignment indicative but trying to paint stuff as scummy. Lots of 'technicality' stuff. Attack Tubesock for stuff i think is towby. Likely summer here.
On March 09 2019 06:44 Pandain wrote: Can I get a link to this game where blazinghand posted empty boxes to fake that he was moving and thus couldn't post?
In another thread.
I hate that I find this alignment indicative but he doesn't actually ask about this anywhere in here. How did he know about it?
I'm assuming he's going to use it to post about onegu
On March 09 2019 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Trying to look into the garbage little by little Will probably half ass out a reads phonepost at some point
So far
Ff/Tubesock likely town. Throwing out reads, ease of posting. Tumbkewood nitpicking at stuff that isn't alignment indicative but trying to paint stuff as scummy. Lots of 'technicality' stuff. Attack Tubesock for stuff i think is towby. Likely summer here.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
how in the world can you think HF is for sure town?
I’m the only for sure town in this game.
I think what Slam and Rsoultin have said about HF is probably right, he said his target is Sentinel which I’m fine with, I like what he’s said about rayne and Ticktock, and he made me laugh. It’s like the holy trinity of town.
On March 03 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: viva/ls/hf/tt/iam are no-lynches for me today barring something unforeseen
chez/rayn would be interesting flips i think
if we're lynching into nothing posters my preference is still tube
the rest is a wash of leans that i'm not finding very important atm. liked ff when he was posting though. maybe he should get bumped up into my no-lynches
That's some pretty strong cases for Tubesocks townread on HF hell yea
Yeah that's not great. I'm not really filter diving and fact checking here so
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?
Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.
Uh but you said he didnt stick to his guns, which he did.
I'm pretty sure he ran his platform on lynching palm...
i dont think thats entirely true i need to read more thread. regardless dont defend him it was bad. Just becuase he had it planned dont make it the most anti town thing he could have done
Perhaps, I dont mean this as a defense of HF questioning ace. I think what ace is sayi g is a misrepresentation of hf, I think if you think hf is anti town or scum that's fine but ace post was not great and should be questioned.
I like this post from damdred Assuming his activity is not alignment indicative this is exactly how I felt about ace's posting. Also his posting around rsoul/hf gives me ok feels
Wish he did more cause he's a good player, would make this game much easier. Probably gonna get mod killed.
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Though of course that's just one country so maybe not 100% lol. But it's definitely a difference I noticed coming here from the States.
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