EPT“How is ur playstyle” and “Who would you shut” so if you were trying to get info, you got it but you didnt follow. What will you do with this? Do you think HF is mafia or not?
I think your focus on Mocca it is not right.
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CopCake
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“How is ur playstyle” and “Who would you shut” so if you were trying to get info, you got it but you didnt follow. What will you do with this? Do you think HF is mafia or not? I think your focus on Mocca it is not right. | ||
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Regfan
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Don't have much of a read on HF, dislike his reasoning behind his TT scum read and the over-focus on TT in their following posts but don't think it's an implausible read for a townie to have there, more interested in their thoughts on the game when they re-enter the thread. Heading out for a but, will be without access of a computer for a solid chunk of the next 24 hours but hoping to be able to read bits and pieces on my phone if my girlfriend allows me to. - R | ||
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Regfan
124 Posts
It's entirely possible that he's town and genuinely has those stances, but the way he went about it, without really trying to engage with either of us on a deeper level and kind of flinging egg at Regfan, doesn't feel like how I would expect town to behave there. In particular, I don't think that Regfan's post warranted this response at all: On June 26 2018 12:36 CopCake wrote: I literally dont understand this post. Someone halp, it is like many fancy words but I cant follow. Like, I don't see any fancy words in that post and I know I understand Regfan better than most people but I think it's very plainly laid out by him. And, this doesn't really feel like the way that town progresses through a thought. The "in fact, it is pretty townie" bit especially feels so unnatural. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote: Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. @Copcake, why are you so unconcerned about whether you're getting Mocsta's alignment wrong? And why are you so unable to understand Regfan yet so easily able to understand Mocsta? I don't get why there's such a difference there in your process between those two reads. | ||
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Regfan
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Mocsta
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Yet gloss over hf. This startles me even more when the basis of their issues with me stems from my reaction to HF tictock comments. My recollection of regfan is lots of "process" nitpicking that leads nowhere ##vote: regfan | ||
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Regfan
124 Posts
On June 26 2018 13:21 Mocsta wrote: I am struggling to comprehend how regfan can devote pages of posts to fleshing out a weak to null scum read in me. Yet gloss over hf. This startles me even more when the basis of their issues with me stems from my reaction to HF tictock comments. My recollection of regfan is lots of "process" nitpicking that leads nowhere ##vote: regfan He literally just arrived at a townread on you, dude. How is he not leading anywhere, exactly? -G | ||
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Regfan
124 Posts
I don't understand why you ask us both to elaborate on our read on you, then basically ignore it all and say that we're scummy because we spent too much time trying to sort you. -G | ||
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Mocsta
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I have nothing further to add other than i am super impressed you could gauge me swapping between phone and computer I still find both of you keep adding flair words of negatitve connotatiin when describing processes. This is certainly more scummy then townie. Vote remains. Lunch time. Ciao | ||
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Mocsta
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Mocsta
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(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote (2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good. - Things like HF read fine to me. - Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn. (3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor - Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around. - Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not. (4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake). - Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active. - CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia. (5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. | ||
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Regfan
124 Posts
@Mocsta - I had asked Conversion about his thoughts on non HF players, don't think he's posted since. Just a quick bit about my play in general and in this game, I find myself to increase in read accuracy and my ability to gamesove substantially as the game progresses, D1 and particularly the early section of the day phase is when I'm notoriously at my weakest. Its largely why I don't actually push anyone and admit to myself that my scum reads/concerns with players are just that and not much more. I focus on just trying to push the game forward and actually make sure there's content inside the thread early on, information I can look back on later to analyse, information others can comment on when they enter the thread so it's not just a stagnant period. It's mostly why this game, you'll find the players that I've talked about or focused on (TT, Ryan, Moscta, Cake) are those that are active or online while I have been since I can interact with them, question them or talk with others about them so they can react and not be playing a big waiting game. Despite being frustrated some small sections of the early game I'm actually reasonably happy with where I'm at, I feel pretty good about TT being town and find Moscatas reaction towards our comments on him and the way his progression of his read on us went (Him very noticeably talking himself into the scum read and trying to find reasons to sell himself on it when caught up in the moment to him pulling back and realising what had happened) to very insanely townie and don't think that analysis from him or timing of how it happened is ever fake here, would bet the entire game on him being town. Have a bunch of people I think are almost certainly not W/W and have a few people I'm somewhat keeping an eye on with lots of others yet to enter that I can read once they've done so. Anyway, yeah, that's where I'm at. -R | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On June 26 2018 11:46 Conversion wrote: @Calix explain why you are on the glorious train to victory by voting Holyflare Because I can. But I've changed my mind. ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this: On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote: Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste? Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah. This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote: He had the same thinking process as me - I have free time but no one will do shit - Actually I will try to do work - Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth. On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote: I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura. Yours is green. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote: Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. On June 26 2018 12:29 CopCake wrote: Like the person I want to put pressure is HF, Slenderman and let me see who else is inactive On June 26 2018 12:30 CopCake wrote: Koshi, Vivax and Boxer I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people. In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town. In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie. Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda. I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote: i dont understand how it leads to anything. If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself. If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS. Dead question. Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare. Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content. Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine. On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF. My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see. What an utterly redundant post. I still think tt is mafia. I can't explain it to you other than the phrasing he is using seems overly wordy for the little points he is making which I don't usually feel like from tt. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 26 2018 13:03 Regfan wrote: @Copcake - Information about your playstyle just helps me put together a better picture of what sort of player you are, what to expect from you, what I should be worried if I see otherwise, it's profile building so to speak to aid me reading you. I was hoping for more information in terms of who you'd shoot (Largely after the 'why' more than the 'who') but you'd mentioned that it was 'too early to ask' and figured that's fair enough, would wait until later and then re-ask/ask if your mind had changed. Don't have much of a read on HF, dislike his reasoning behind his TT scum read and the over-focus on TT in their following posts but don't think it's an implausible read for a townie to have there, more interested in their thoughts on the game when they re-enter the thread. Heading out for a but, will be without access of a computer for a solid chunk of the next 24 hours but hoping to be able to read bits and pieces on my phone if my girlfriend allows me to. - R What other content was in the thread that I should have followed up on or created in the first hour of the game before bed? Are you saying I shouldn't follow up on someone I think is mafia? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 26 2018 18:06 Holyflare wrote: What an utterly redundant post. I still think tt is mafia. I can't explain it to you other than the phrasing he is using seems overly wordy for the little points he is making which I don't usually feel like from tt. I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote: Because I can. But I've changed my mind. ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this: This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote: He had the same thinking process as me - I have free time but no one will do shit - Actually I will try to do work - Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth. On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote: I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura. Yours is green. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote: Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people. In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town. In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie. Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda. I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread. 1.- Stupid questionSSSSS? I only remember Rayns. 2.- I ASSUME you now think Regfan is town??? 3.- Me confusing members I dont know is common specially if I am not used to the member base, can ask Rayn, slenderman, etc. 4.- Oh sweetheart, I only cared for the inactives? Maybe that is why I jumped to explain why I think ticktock is town, or maybe why the regfan first post is a meme, or why Mocsta’s thinking process about my question is not bad. Like literally, if I tried to pocket people I would follow a train but nope 🚂 but nope this is cake giving her reads. 5.- “Cake says regfan is town for the seer comment etc meme whatever” Eh, I said that the post is NOT mafia indicative ^^ since no mafia would want to have the spotlight since the beginning. Nevertheless; I didnt like regfan asking me questions and throwing them away, like he got info, he didnt do anything with it but yet he is judging mocta for doing the same? (While mocta’s question is good so is quite ironic from reg) So now, tell me Calix, who told you to go after me? I am an Open Book and I think my process of thinking has been on top. | ||
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Calix
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On June 26 2018 18:22 CopCake wrote: 1.- Stupid questionSSSSS? I only remember Rayns. 2.- I ASSUME you now think Regfan is town??? 3.- Me confusing members I dont know is common specially if I am not used to the member base, can ask Rayn, slenderman, etc. 4.- Oh sweetheart, I only cared for the inactives? Maybe that is why I jumped to explain why I think ticktock is town, or maybe why the regfan first post is a meme, or why Mocsta’s thinking process about my question is not bad. Like literally, if I tried to pocket people I would follow a train but nope 🚂 but nope this is cake giving her reads. 5.- “Cake says regfan is town for the seer comment etc meme whatever” Eh, I said that the post is NOT mafia indicative ^^ since no mafia would want to have the spotlight since the beginning. Nevertheless; I didnt like regfan asking me questions and throwing them away, like he got info, he didnt do anything with it but yet he is judging mocta for doing the same? (While mocta’s question is good so is quite ironic from reg) So now, tell me Calix, who told you to go after me? I am an Open Book and I think my process of thinking has been on top. 2. Since I'm arguing that you have TMI on several players, Regfan being one of them, this question answers itself. 3. I'm not sure what this part is in response to or how it is relevant. 4. Saying you want to put pressure on inactives and giving a list of inactive names (which mafia love doing this because it's safe and doesn't give away anything) is focusing on the inactives, yes. I don't give a flying fuck about your TMI town-reads because mafia already know who the townies are so obviously they can give reasons to town-read people. I care about who you think is mafia because that's the part mafia actually find difficult to fabricate. Where are your scum-reads? Where is paranoia? Where are the accusations? You prove my point because the evidence you provide to show you're not 'just focusing on inactives' is listing the (active) people you are defending/ town-reading. 5. If it isn't something that mafia would want to do then that implies Regfan is town for doing it without any prompting, not that he's null. If you dislike Regfan's aimless questions (from your point of view) then is that a scum read? Are you going to like, actually vote or anything? If he isn't a scum read then what is your conclusion on him and why? Why are you accusing me of being mafia? You don't explain how you reached this conclusion or how my post on you is more mafia-motivated than town-motivated. | ||
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Mocsta
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On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote: then do it.I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. And at least have the courtesy to explain why it is so scum indicative | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote: I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta. Maybe. I've read mocsta's latest read post and I will now let him off with a caution. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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