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Regfan
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CopCake
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I need to be more careful with names. Like for a moment I also believed Calixto was Gemma, is the first time I see a same account being used by two as an hydra. | ||
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 11:48 Mocsta wrote:Can you please share an example. Most of my posts are one-liners, so im curious what body of (non-existent) content you are referring to. I would actually prefer as well if "R" did one, and "G" did one. This is due to the above proclamation that you share opinions outside the thread; whereas, I find your opinions posted to be non-congruent beyond differences stemming from personality. Sure, Gemma will likely get around to doing it later too. I found your initial catch up posts...underwhelming for the most part, the response towards Rayn in #78 to be make sense and be something I agreed with but the agreement on TT scum read in #80 with nothing attatched to it as to why you agreed there and to move on from there to focusing on CopCakes question to Rayn in #122 feels like you're...sort of aimlessly posting if that makes any sense, like "I can talk about this for a bit", "I'll focus talking about this" and when I look at it the progression/entirety of it I'm left thinking "His reads are what and why???" and I'm trying to work out if this is a playstyle type thing or not and am hoping Rayns response will help with that. - R | ||
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Mocsta
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On June 26 2018 11:50 Regfan wrote: busywork made me chuckle@Conversion - What's your reads/thoughts on Non-Holyflare players? Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice. -R If it helps Im at work on a shutdown task So bhsywork is apt You know. You can always ask me stuff 2 lol | ||
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CopCake
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Mocsta
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On June 26 2018 12:03 Regfan wrote: interesting.Sure, Gemma will likely get around to doing it later too. I found your initial catch up posts...underwhelming for the most part, the response towards Rayn in #78 to be make sense and be something I agreed with but the agreement on TT scum read in #80 with nothing attatched to it as to why you agreed there and to move on from there to focusing on CopCakes question to Rayn in #122 feels like you're...sort of aimlessly posting if that makes any sense, like "I can talk about this for a bit", "I'll focus talking about this" and when I look at it the progression/entirety of it I'm left thinking "His reads are what and why???" and I'm trying to work out if this is a playstyle type thing or not and am hoping Rayns response will help with that. - R I think catch up is a poor phrase for a 2 page game. It also has needless negative connotation. More an fyi if you are non native. I didnt think what i wrote to copcake was talking for the sake of it. In fact copcake calls me town afterwards.... Whilst i appreciate you went tk the effort to pinpoiny some posts. Im am confused how to digest this. In essence i find this poor reasons to scum read someone. Its basically they dont agree witb me so must be scum. Im confused as i dont know if this stems from different game culture on teamliquid or mafia. The difference in play between you and gemma leans me mafia. Of mental note when my workfront clears i need to check your position on holyflare and vice versa | ||
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CopCake
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I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. | ||
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CopCake
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CopCake
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Regfan
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I can't follow what your reads are on the players here or why you're thinking what you are. I'm fully aware that others think about the game quite differently than I do, I'm also very aware that the meta on TL is hugely different to most of the places I've played at. That doesn't change the fact that when attempting to get a read on someone (No matter who/where it is) I need to be able to see "Oh they're doing A for B" or "They think C due to D/E", I don't need to agree with the reasoning of why you've got somewhere or have a particular read for it to be a real/genuine read from them, I do need to see that it exists. I don't even have a strong scum read on you here at all, I'm very much in a headspace where I'm just gathering data to try and work out/solve the game right now and having others comment on your playstyle (Plus I'm planning on reading through 1-2 of your town/scum games when I get a chance to be able to work it out myself) will help me massively when it comes to you. - R | ||
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. Hum. I'd like you to run through this a little more for me please, how it's played out is me mentioning a few of my concerns re; Mocsta to Rayn given he'd know him better than I would and asking if the concerns I have are playstyle based or not and wanting to know his reads there. Then having Mocsta ask me to elaborate on the concerns/what I'm talking about ther leading towards me making the post linking his earlier ones, so this "Seemed out of place" thing is kind of ???? - R | ||
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CopCake
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Mocca followed me, you didnt even care for the answer I gave you. Your reason to make the case on Mocca is quite ironic. | ||
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CopCake
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On June 26 2018 12:33 Regfan wrote: Hum. I'd like you to run through this a little more for me please, how it's played out is me mentioning a few of my concerns re; Mocsta to Rayn given he'd know him better than I would and asking if the concerns I have are playstyle based or not and wanting to know his reads there. Then having Mocsta ask me to elaborate on the concerns/what I'm talking about ther leading towards me making the post linking his earlier ones, so this "Seemed out of place" thing is kind of ???? - R I literally dont understand this post. Someone halp, it is like many fancy words but I cant follow. | ||
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Regfan
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Oh jesus, I can tell playing with you is going to be a pain and a half already. I'll make it easy for you; - I made a post directed to Rayn asking him for his thoughts on Moscta and his meta/playstyle while listing my concerns that I've got with Moscta at the moment. - Moscta quoted that thing I posted to Rayn and asked me to elaborate on it / quote an example of what I'm talking about - I made a post running through my concerns with Moscsta for him. It wasn't a case, it wasn't a "mini-case" or anything, I'm not currently voting anywhere. Was literally just answering his question and putting my thoughts down. Simple? | ||
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 11:48 Mocsta wrote:Can you please share an example. Most of my posts are one-liners, so im curious what body of (non-existent) content you are referring to. I would actually prefer as well if "R" did one, and "G" did one. This is due to the above proclamation that you share opinions outside the thread; whereas, I find your opinions posted to be non-congruent beyond differences stemming from personality. Man, it's really strange to have a townie say that their own body of work is non-existent, especially when it isn't. I mean, sure, you've only made 3-4 "serious" posts, but that's still a body of work and I don't get why your response to someone having an opinion on you is that they shouldn't have an opinion on you. Like, if you're scumreading us, that kind of doubt about our read on you would make sense, but I don't think you are. I also don't entirely know why you expect that an example will change that. On the other hand, I guess I like your approach to getting content from separate heads. Anyway, I don't really understand your process, and your tone is pretty incongruent. You're swinging between this low-effort type posting and these super formal and robotic posts and I don't understand how your brain is bending like that. Here's an example for you. On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote: i dont understand how it leads to anything. If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself. If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS. Dead question. Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare. Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content. Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine. On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF. My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see. I don't understand why you made this post when you did. There's nothing wrong with making delayed comments on things, or not responding to everything right away, and I'm not reading into that, but I think it's strange that you weren't really engaging with anything that was going on at the time, and instead making posts about these other things, in a way that doesn't feel to me like you were compelled to respond to them because they just itched at you, if that makes sense. You're like, fiddling around. Which is fine, if that's genuinely your process, but right now I don't understand it. My concerns with you are more of a "niggle" than anything, but when I see mafia make posts like these, it's because they're not able to find a real or fluid foothold in thread discussion, and fall back on making "look at me thinking about the game" type posts that don't really go anywhere or accomplish anything and lack a kind of underlying emotional drive to them, which is the feeling I've had about your posts so far. | ||
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Mocsta
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On June 26 2018 12:30 Regfan wrote: i find it startling that given all that has occured jn the thread. That i am of your primary concern.@Mocsta - Not a non-native at all, but think reading up/catching up on whatever has been missed (regardless of the length of it) is "catching up on the game". You're very much missing my concern with your play here, it's not that I take issue with your questioning of CopCake there, mentioned it twice now, when I look at the individual posts they seem mostly reasonable, it's just the progression/body of work so to speak where I'm stumped with you and left going "Huuhh" with. I can't follow what your reads are on the players here or why you're thinking what you are. I'm fully aware that others think about the game quite differently than I do, I'm also very aware that the meta on TL is hugely different to most of the places I've played at. That doesn't change the fact that when attempting to get a read on someone (No matter who/where it is) I need to be able to see "Oh they're doing A for B" or "They think C due to D/E", I don't need to agree with the reasoning of why you've got somewhere or have a particular read for it to be a real/genuine read from them, I do need to see that it exists. I don't even have a strong scum read on you here at all, I'm very much in a headspace where I'm just gathering data to try and work out/solve the game right now and having others comment on your playstyle (Plus I'm planning on reading through 1-2 of your town/scum games when I get a chance to be able to work it out myself) will help me massively when it comes to you. - R I suspect if you town we are at an impasse. Im not going to share all my thoights on this game. Only those i think thatvare relevant or those i am asked about and care to share. If you doubt my intention i would expect you to probe me on why i acted a certain way. Instead you arensoliciting other opinion. Frankly this comes across to me as suspect. Puppeteer behind the curtain type stuff. I dont think my past games will help much either. I entered this game with diffeerent jntebtions to others and so far think i am living up to them. If you must know and have not realiaed. I was suspicious of cupcake because he toom such an early strong stance. This is reflected in my posts.... | ||
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Regfan
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Regfan
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I'm very much a player that'll spend a lot of time trying to extract and get information, when I have an actual scum read or someone I feel very confident is mafia, you'll know; this was not it at all. Find your response in #157 very very very townie though and don't think that's how you respond to everything that's been put down on you as mafia there at all. - R | ||
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CopCake
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