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On June 27 2018 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Going to enjoy more sun. I will put it in my brain to check when watching soccer.
Ehh ok, I retract my last post on Koshi.
He is possibly not the best place for votes... possibly.
Thinking about it, I think Koshi reminds me a little of a friend of mine who thought pretty highly of himself and did well to maintain that, but at some point felt like it was too much pressure to maintain that and has since slipped into living in squalor. It's sorta like the stories of Grade A students who end up overdosing.
Ehh that's a stretch (I don't think Koshi is overstressed), but I know Koshi is capable so it frustrates me endlessly when I see him purposely be a shitter. He played this way last game I was in as town, and only put in solid effort after it was too late to really get people to change their minds (as the game was a general shitshow and he was like the 4th person to claim blue and only did so as votes were piling on him).
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On June 27 2018 23:29 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote:
Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. hard yikes -G
I take back what I said about you earlier in the game Gamma (Gemma?)
We can be friends.
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On June 27 2018 23:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:13 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 23:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:Since you haven't played with me before, I'm town, others that have, already see that I'm town... Even Conversion called me out on my bait for mafia members. I think I gave enough reasoning why I currently scum read you and Tictock, and there is also enough evidence on the thread against you, like what, there's already been two cases against you such as: On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:##Vote: Calix+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote:
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: Show nested quote +...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.
Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.
Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.
Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works).
So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?"
Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early?
Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only?
Why change gears in the first place?I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. On June 27 2018 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:I simply don't have much to add rn. Also when someone acts like complete ass towards me for no reason at all i am gonna grab my tools and go home. I have better things to do than lose my mental health over some idiot. Calix is painfully obviously mafia. Vote on Vivax means absolutely nothing since it's probably the best thing to do regardless of Vivax' affiliation. She isn't even trying to do anything after Cake case, simply just nothing, except for looking into lurkers (which also was btw scummy as per her opinion). If i have ever seen a staged conversation it is the one between Calix and Vivax. Oh my dear god i laughed at it yesterday.  Vivax has simply zero train of thought in anything he has said this game. It is that simple. I am growing more and more suspicions regarding the hydra. Probably our third mafia right there. Some bullet points: - The thing i talked about earlier where Regfan's and Gemma's thoughts never even try to meld. It was like they are playing a completely different game by themselves and not even trying to figure out which one is wrong when they have a differing opinion on something. Magically, now, when i point this out, it changes! Except that this doesn't make any sense either since Gemma tried to feed some "you don't probably just know how playing as hydra works" bullshit that doesn't even make any sense. But anyways, if she believes in that, there is no reason to change the way they act. So basically it is just done because someone figured out it is not natural what they were doing, and it is because the only reasons you would want to do that is to either stay on both side of the fences or if "one person fucks up, the other one cleans after". - Then there is the thing where Gemma calls Calix town because Calix was nice, and me mafia because i was not nice, early on in the game. When Calix answers my case later on (i should also note that Calix never really touches the actual case even, just some random shit about wording and stuff), what's Gemma's opinion... Calix is supertown because Calix is not nice!!!! Yeahhhh, it's quite amusing when supposedly same standards work in the opposite way regading who is the person in question. - Same with Regfan's read on Calix. The post where Mocsta did go into argument with him earlier today. Regfan doesn't want to lynch Calix because some bs about some three people not being mafia together and some percentage stuff. What is that even, you lynch people who are scummy. If you don't want to lynch someone then you don't think they are scummy. Regfan never even says if he thinks Calix is scummy or not, just some crap that has nothing to do with Calix' affiliation and the conclusion is "not a good lynch". Way to present a "read" without actually saying anything about the person. - Then there is this TT read. 12 hours ago Gemma literally posted this; "We both felt good about TT at the same time.". Suddenly Gemma heavily dislikes TT, for no apparent reason. Basically the only thing TT has done since 12 hrs ago is agreed with the hydra's read that Calix is not necessarily a good lynch. That is literally the only thing that has changed regarding tictocks reads after Gemma called him town. Conclusion; Holyflare watch out, you see what they are doing? - I am not sure i believe regfan doesn't have a read on me since basically every game we have been together in he (as town) always claims "rayn is super easy to read when he is town" (which also simply by association means i am easy to read when i am mafia). If that is correct or not, it's irrelevant, it's relevant he believes so regardless how much of time has passed from our last game together. So yeah, those are my scumreads. I pretend Conversion doesn't exist in the game but he is most likely not mafia anyways. I mean, you trying to say I give no evidence of why you're mafia is just trying to shit on me for no reason and paint me as mafia, when it's clear where your allegiance stands. Another meta defense? I'm getting sick of this. Why can't anyone just defend their posts that they're making IN THIS GAME instead of expecting me to slog through games from 2012 or whatever? What's the point of casing people when everyone responds to what I say with "but what about this really old meta though?" and "how dare you scum-read people you've never played with before, you're obviously mafia"? I too could throw a bunch of old games at you if I really wanted to "prove" I'm town but that's boring and doesn't actually prove anything anyway. But I give up. I'll just stick with Vivax so I don't have to deal with some bullshit meta defense instead of anything sourced from this particular game. This doesn't help you, if anything mafia would likely never go back to older games because they simply don't care. While meta can change in different games yes, and it's hard to classify just based on that, it does help when you've played games with others.
I disagree Mafia use meta all the time and for exactly the reasons Calix pointed it. It's easy to point out something that happened in the past as a way to excuse what is happening now, or to use old meta to fabricate a current read.
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On June 28 2018 00:01 Vivax wrote:
I mean the last part, why is it relevant to you that conv can get worked up to the point of modkilling himself? I don't see how that is relevant to the quoted post or his alignment.
It has to do with the thought I wanted to check re: rayn vs Conv, ergo why that is written after I mentioned that.
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On June 28 2018 00:04 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:36 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 23:24 CopCake wrote:On June 27 2018 22:41 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 22:37 CopCake wrote:
I am sorry Calix, my answer might come of the one of an ass but your answer about me initially asking you then must habw been boring or not satisfying because I dont remember.
It didnt make me thing “Oh well this read is good maybe Calix is town” but it didnt happen.
The only universe I can think of you being town is if Rayn is mafia.
Talking with you is a waste of time then. You don't assess what I'm saying, only how what I say makes you feel. P.S: That "if it's not X player it must be Y" association is terrible and you should never make those sorts of reads ever. Well that is your problen them. I got regfan’s “his voye on HF is clear” and so when you explained but other than that I cant see you being town. I filtered you yesterday (not all posts) but I find you to be scummy, most of it is for my “case” that came out of no where and you dont caring for my meta unless it was “very recent” Yeah I use a lot of “feels” on this, with a little of night actions since actions dont clear at all a player. So, at this moment, and I am asking calming and trying to understand you. Let’s imagine you are town and mafia is framing you but they dont know you have a gun and you decide to use it. Who would you shot? Give me something to understand your playstyle and how you scumread people. Well duh. People change as they get older so why would I put THAT much stock into meta from...whenever you used to play? I know I'm quite different from when I first started playing and that wasn't that long ago. I used to be extremely aggressive and very rarely reconsidered my reads. I don't see how this question will help you understand me that well but sure. I'd shoot one of the AFKs since they're not giving town any information to begin with and it saves us from wasting a lynch on those people. Because threatening to lynch someone who posts is better than trying to pressure someone who will not post since new information is revealed and reads can develop. Then if the person being pressured makes it clear they are town within those 48 hours then you can switch votes to an inactive player without losing too much if that inactive person is town. If, during that time, you think that townies are the only people being pressured all day then you can look at the people who have been skirting by, not sticking their necks out, pretending to do more than they have, etc, and push them to the surface instead of defaulting to an inactive player. Because mafia are usually the people who are 'there' but not doing too much to solve the game or who have really unmemorable filters or whatnot. I'd say what I've just written here is how I do things in most games. You shouldn't take it as AI or anything. I wouldnt use my gun on a afk because there is like so much rich material here to judge to make town reads or mafis trafs Going for a afk means you dont feel secure enough with your reads or it is what it looks for me. If in all games it was ok to lynch an afk over someonr very suspicious idk why we are playing mafia then.
Her point was that using a gun (ala a vig shot) on an afk would be preferable to wasting a lynch on them. You two are literally saying the same thing here.
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On June 28 2018 00:15 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 00:10 Tictock wrote:
Why do you want to lynch me? I’ll admit I sometimes just skim your guy’s posts but I don’t recall you sharing anything about that.
Because of posts like this. -G
Oh look another pedantic donkey response >.<
W/e I think you are almost certainly town at this point.
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On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote:
Before I forget because I am going to work
Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote.
It wasn't sudden, and I never said that.
I said she was of a caliber of player that I respect and think is a bad lynch D1 without more certainty that she is mafia. I am openly trying to persuade you to my thinking because I think you are town.
But fine whatever, I am starting to wear down.
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On June 28 2018 00:52 Holyflare wrote:
I would lynch tt in a heartbeat btw. Pretty confident he's mafia.
Just putting that out there for future shenanigans.
Please, make a case on me.
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On June 28 2018 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Can we get some kind of paraphrasing of your conversations together and the medium through which you communicated each reg/gemma?
I'm not sure what you mean to gain from this.
We've got tons of content from both of them, and well as some synergized list stuff.
This feels like a question to ask just kus you think it sounds good.
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On June 28 2018 01:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote:
Looks like I was actually reading pg 26, which I have now finished.
I need to move my vote off Reg kus I am starting to think I have just been wrong and a bit tunneled on him, and even of not seems to be a solid player to keep around given what I've been reading.
I am warming up to a ShoCkeyy lynch, so will move my vote there. He is going to be the next name on my list of dives, but unless he posts a bunch more that will be a short filter. Says this 8 mins ago, votes for me 4 mins ago, so what made you come to the conclusion of voting for me? Was it because I've been calling Calix out? Or you out?
? Why does the timing matter, I said in that post I was moving my vote to you.
I'm going to stop responding to posts after this kus people keep asking stuff I've already stated, so clearly what I'm writing is not being read.
You've basically just given a couple reasons to scum read me, talked about me and Calix being scum together, and not discussed anything else. Your reasons for scum reading me are pretty flimsy in my mind yet you are just content in repeating them and not doing anything else.
I am also thinking HF and Rayn could be scum atm too kus they just have these extremely narrow views with no signs of reevaluating anything. Also I find it odd they have been so passive towards each other.
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air.
You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago.
I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it.
So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything?
My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over.
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:05 Regfan wrote:On June 28 2018 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Can we get some kind of paraphrasing of your conversations together and the medium through which you communicated each reg/gemma? Discord. And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you. -G I also don't like this. It would quite succinctly tie up your alignment for me if you could do it. It really shouldn't be hard either because you just have a history log on discord right? Why is the game shitty when you seem to have narrowed a quite substantial town list down? Because it's fucking toxic, rayn made Regfan hate the game when he's trying to get back into mafia and find time to enjoy it again, I love Regfan and you have no idea how much that horseshit fucking pisses me off it's actually unbelievable how insensitive rayn and his girlfriend have been towards Reg. Not to mention half the players have just been insulting us for our playstyle. So yeah it's a shitty game.
You have successfully been introduced to TL Mafia.
I suggest you run far far away, this is definitely representative of most of the games here. I'm regretting my own choices right now.
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On June 28 2018 01:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote:
Before I forget because I am going to work
Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote. I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler +(this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) when there aren't any compelling reasons to kill him from what I remember. What I mean is that I've seen a lot of anti-TT posts but I can't actually remember many of them and the ones I can remember weren't convincing. If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him. You then provide no alternative.
How does that show she is mafia though?
Like you literally would have to believe the team is Calix/Me/+1 and me and Calix are just determined to shit the bed.
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On June 28 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only fucking people that have been toxic in this game are Conversion and Regfan himself and both against me.
On June 28 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:04 Calix wrote:
Can we save the personal drama for the post-game please? Or take it to PMs? Or PM the host? Or literally anything other than talking about it in a mafia game? No, i fucking hate shitheads.
Someone in real life please smack Rayn over the head with this hypocrisy.
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On June 28 2018 04:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:02 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2018 00:01 Vivax wrote:
I mean the last part, why is it relevant to you that conv can get worked up to the point of modkilling himself? I don't see how that is relevant to the quoted post or his alignment. It has to do with the thought I wanted to check re: rayn vs Conv, ergo why that is written after I mentioned that. TT why are you not trying to work with your town-read who you wanted to work with and who is a counter-wagon to you and your scum-read?
Kus I have been clearly catch-up reading and responding as I go.
This is like the 5th question like this I have seen be asked (not by you), and my motivation to play has seriously begun to dwindle. I think this game has started to go pants on head style and trying to care about it is clearly not worth the effort.
I'm also not entirely sure what you are asking from me here.
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On June 28 2018 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:well this D1 is gonna end up on a town lynch most likely based on votes. 
You've said this twice now, even when your own preffered lynch is in the lead.
Done jack all to look at anything new or reevaluate.
Rayn is mafia people, I am now certain.
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On June 28 2018 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:18 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2018 00:52 Holyflare wrote:
I would lynch tt in a heartbeat btw. Pretty confident he's mafia.
Just putting that out there for future shenanigans. Please, make a case on me. why are you so fucking incapable to make a decision? make a decision, dont ask useless shit from other ppl.
???
I want to know why HF still thinks I'm mafia.
I'm less concerned with that now that I know you are mafia though.
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On June 28 2018 04:56 CopCake wrote:
TT being mafia makes sense since a while for the mental gymnastic he pulled to deffend Calix tbf.
The mafia team to me is
Calix-Ticktock-Regfan
Or
Calix-Ticktock-Inactive that has posted
If Calix ended up to be town then I will look at you Rayn but I am confident that Calix is mafia and I dont know why others are trying to make you reconsider ir asking me to look at you. I mean knowing you, you just dont tunnel someone for the sake of it and you dont pull the “I am bad I am bad” after it 🤔 besides if you dont die early you are mafia, that is a fact.
You could go back and read where I said I started to change my mind on Calix and realize my point about her being a bad lynch even if I did think she was possibly mafia. Hence why I never actually tried to push a lynch on her.
Or yea, we are the worst mafia team ever in existence. It's probably that.
I'd try to convince you that rayn is mafia here, but I know you are a submissive sheep who will never turn on hubby.
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Eh, that last bit was uncalled for. I should just probably step away as I am getting flustered.
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On June 28 2018 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Tt can ypu link me a mafia game?
Also give me scum reads.
I don't recall the name. I just remember I was teamed with Damdred and some noobie who ended up lynching me no reason D1 then Damdred got himself mod killed. I've only played like 4 games in the past 2 years though so don't think meta will be much use.
Rayn is mafia is the only read of importance right now. Just look at his approach to EoD here.
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