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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 21 2018 18:50 GMT
#29
This game is lacking scrubs...

/in
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 22 2018 16:10 GMT
#42
On June 22 2018 07:53 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2018 03:50 Tictock wrote:
This game is lacking scrubs...

/in
Help me out.

Is this a dig at yourself; or a dig at scrubs?


I am quite capable at multi-tasking
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 25 2018 18:48 GMT
#51
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I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 25 2018 23:05 GMT
#56
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.

What up peeps
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 25 2018 23:09 GMT
#58
Meh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm.

Ask me again in an hour...

Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 25 2018 23:14 GMT
#60
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 01:49 GMT
#101
On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?"

If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here:
Show nested quote +
...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing

..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game.


I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.

Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.

Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.

Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 01:51 GMT
#105
On June 26 2018 10:17 Holyflare wrote:
We should be lynch ticktock though.


Nah, I'm unlynchable this game. Ya'll just don't know it yet.

Minor townpoints to you though for wanting to lynch me over the guy who is probably just gunna say lynch HF all game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 01:58 GMT
#109
Thank you to everyone who actually bothered to read Regfan's first post. I can now more or less know what was in it without ever putting in the effort myself.

Also, this cake does not appear to be a lie. Man I might need to slow down all these townreads and actually call someone mafia soon.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 02:01 GMT
#112
On June 26 2018 10:52 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?"

If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here:
...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing

..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game.


I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.

Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.

Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.

Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here.


Dude wtf

You actually read the thing you said it was nosense/wouldnt read?

O_o


God no, I was talking about Calix's post here. or well, here
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 02:11 GMT
#118
On June 26 2018 10:59 Regfan wrote:
@Tick - Can you explain the Mocsta town read for me please.

(Is there a way to link post numbers here?)

- R


Super flimsy based off him being the first to ping Calix's post, and tone. Full disclosure, I saw Calix's response as I left work and mulled it over on my way home (I returned to those thoughts as I responded to rayn). I opted to read past that point and see how others had responded rather than get home and dump thoughts first without further reading.

Just noting the # works, but I tend to preffer linking to the post directly. You can grab the page link by clicking the post timestamp.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 02:33 GMT
#127
On June 26 2018 11:22 Regfan wrote:
Can we not put guns to people's heads please, it's distressing.

-G


Oh wow, I really hate this post >.<

I'm kinda getting the sense that I am just going to dislike Gamma based off personality here, but this is really bad. It's adding nothing, acts as an appeal to emotion via thin humor, and worst off is just a reaction to the other head of the hydra.

I was actually kinda liking Reg's post at the top of the page here, but even before I saw this ^ post I was not willing to give a townread to Reg because I feel like their mafia range could be quite good.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 14:47 GMT
#282
On June 26 2018 12:41 Regfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 11:48 Mocsta wrote:Can you please share an example.
Most of my posts are one-liners, so im curious what body of (non-existent) content you are referring to.

I would actually prefer as well if "R" did one, and "G" did one.

This is due to the above proclamation that you share opinions outside the thread; whereas, I find your opinions posted to be non-congruent beyond differences stemming from personality.

Man, it's really strange to have a townie say that their own body of work is non-existent, especially when it isn't. I mean, sure, you've only made 3-4 "serious" posts, but that's still a body of work and I don't get why your response to someone having an opinion on you is that they shouldn't have an opinion on you. Like, if you're scumreading us, that kind of doubt about our read on you would make sense, but I don't think you are. I also don't entirely know why you expect that an example will change that.

On the other hand, I guess I like your approach to getting content from separate heads.

Anyway, I don't really understand your process, and your tone is pretty incongruent. You're swinging between this low-effort type posting and these super formal and robotic posts and I don't understand how your brain is bending like that. Here's an example for you.

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote:
On June 26 2018 11:25 CopCake wrote:
On June 26 2018 11:21 Mocsta wrote:
On June 26 2018 10:58 CopCake wrote:
Am I town or am I mafia rayn?
This question caught me off guard.
If anything, I was anticipating CopCake to declare Rayn: town or mafia.

Clearly, the "early game' scum reads struck a chord with CopCake enough to contribute his/her independent thought process of those reads (e.g. Tictock). At minimum, I was expecting that thought process to follow through to the initiator.

Therefore, I find this exchange odd.

Yes its a dead question - which obviously town can ask.
But i find it odd, because its a dead question to someone that I thought woudl be on CopCake radar.


Lol, the question is to make a better read on rayn.

@Regfan that question is too early to ask since not everyone has posted but I would shot HF as mafia.

I dont get his tt reasons.
i dont understand how it leads to anything.
If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself.
If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS.

Dead question.

Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare.
Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content.

Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine.
On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF.

My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see.

I don't understand why you made this post when you did. There's nothing wrong with making delayed comments on things, or not responding to everything right away, and I'm not reading into that, but I think it's strange that you weren't really engaging with anything that was going on at the time, and instead making posts about these other things, in a way that doesn't feel to me like you were compelled to respond to them because they just itched at you, if that makes sense. You're like, fiddling around. Which is fine, if that's genuinely your process, but right now I don't understand it.

My concerns with you are more of a "niggle" than anything, but when I see mafia make posts like these, it's because they're not able to find a real or fluid foothold in thread discussion, and fall back on making "look at me thinking about the game" type posts that don't really go anywhere or accomplish anything and lack a kind of underlying emotional drive to them, which is the feeling I've had about your posts so far.


I find it odd how you start off calling Mocsta a “townie” then write several paragraphs of text about why he could be mafia, then both say your concerns are “just a niggle” when it is quite clear that you are painting Mocsta as mafia in this post.

Reg is like 80% mafia in my mind at this point. I see Gamma being more upfront but not having a clear direction in their posting while Reg seems to be the more level headed one who is acting as a peacekeeper. I just get a very reactive and defensive vibe from everything Reg has posted so far.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 14:48 GMT
#283
On June 26 2018 12:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 12:30 Regfan wrote:
@Mocsta - Not a non-native at all, but think reading up/catching up on whatever has been missed (regardless of the length of it) is "catching up on the game". You're very much missing my concern with your play here, it's not that I take issue with your questioning of CopCake there, mentioned it twice now, when I look at the individual posts they seem mostly reasonable, it's just the progression/body of work so to speak where I'm stumped with you and left going "Huuhh" with.

I can't follow what your reads are on the players here or why you're thinking what you are. I'm fully aware that others think about the game quite differently than I do, I'm also very aware that the meta on TL is hugely different to most of the places I've played at. That doesn't change the fact that when attempting to get a read on someone (No matter who/where it is) I need to be able to see "Oh they're doing A for B" or "They think C due to D/E", I don't need to agree with the reasoning of why you've got somewhere or have a particular read for it to be a real/genuine read from them, I do need to see that it exists. I don't even have a strong scum read on you here at all, I'm very much in a headspace where I'm just gathering data to try and work out/solve the game right now and having others comment on your playstyle (Plus I'm planning on reading through 1-2 of your town/scum games when I get a chance to be able to work it out myself) will help me massively when it comes to you.

- R
i find it startling that given all that has occured jn the thread. That i am of your primary concern.

I suspect if you town we are at an impasse.

Im not going to share all my thoights on this game. Only those i think thatvare relevant or those i am asked about and care to share.

If you doubt my intention i would expect you to probe me on why i acted a certain way. Instead you arensoliciting other opinion.
Frankly this comes across to me as suspect. Puppeteer behind the curtain type stuff.

I dont think my past games will help much either. I entered this game with diffeerent jntebtions to others and so far think i am living up to them.

If you must know and have not realiaed. I was suspicious of cupcake because he toom such an early strong stance.
This is reflected in my posts....




Mocsta, what was the most interesting thing to you in the thread when you wrote this?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 14:50 GMT
#285
Sorry I promise I won’t quote and respond to everything. I’m just reading/catching up and just finished some coffee so am a tad post happy.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 15:12 GMT
#294
On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:

- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.


Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us?

I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before.

...

Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 15:35 GMT
#315
Not a fan of Calix's case on Cake. Partially kus I think Cake is almost lock town for me.

Her points feel more nitpickey than insightful though, like she isn't sure how or what to address in the game. Her first point is weak as both Town and Mafia can ask weak questions, and I disagree that Cake hasn't done anything to advance the game. She has clearly given her own opinions and seems to be openly weighing in on things.

I think I need Calix to give better examples of what she means by Cake making excuses for others kus I don't know what she is referring too.

The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming.

Kinda disappointed, I think Calix likely rolled mafia this game and is struggling with her time constraints. Was hoping to play with her as town.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 15:39 GMT
#319
On June 26 2018 20:17 Regfan wrote:
Alright, well, I'm pretty sure Calix is town, I'll let Regfan sanity check me on that when he's back tomorrow I guess.

-G


What makes you think this based on her 4-5 posts at this point? She has really only given us this case on Cake and a reaction to Rayn's read on her with very little substance at this point.

Reg/Calix/+1

Feeling better and better about this.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 15:41 GMT
#322
On June 26 2018 21:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.

What up peeps


Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz?
small thing

But if calix is mafia. Its not with tictock

On June 26 2018 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 21:13 Mocsta wrote:
On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.

What up peeps


Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz?
small thing

But if calix is mafia. Its not with tictock

Actually when Holyflare made his post on tictock i tried to think about that quite a bit and i wouldn't be so certain of that. Grackaroni and FF once completely fooled me with some dumb "early game alliance" just like that.


You guys should stop trying to call me mafia, I already told you I'm unlynchable this game.

Unfortunately I'm getting too distracted with this game and need to actually work, so will have to finish catching up later.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2018 17:02 GMT
#372
On June 26 2018 21:29 Regfan wrote:
I don't even know how. Nothing about his post makes sense to me.

-G


But why does it not making sense to you exclude the possibility of him being town?

In my experience I often to do see eye to eye with Town!Rayn, and sometimes his thought process makes no sense to me either but just because I do not understand the process does not mean he is mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
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