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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:22 GMT
#881
On June 14 2018 08:44 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Wrt my N1-post and others, clearly I've been missing and misreading a LOT of things. Like missing the kita/rayn interaction D1 and later missing that fuba had claimed Tracker.

Holyflare COULD be Mafia by the simple virtue of clearly being a very strong player (and by virtue of that very last minute Vote) but I doubt it. If my understanding of the Thread is correct, it feels to me like you, rayn, are letting your emotions affect your HF-stance a bit. You didn't clarify to him about your weekend until just a few moments ago. And, like I said earlier, coming in to the Thread I could completely understand why Palmar (who I haven't played with but have read games from) would find your [rayn's] entrance to the Thread suspicious, even though it wasn't ACTUALLY a legitimate reason for suspicion. I've done the same mistake in earlier games when I didn't realize it was a null-tell.

iamp's end-of-D2 seemed awkward and I think I'll need to reread the whole thing again before saying anything other than "it's possible" [that he's Mafia]. But still would, gun to my head, say that he isn't Mafia.

Tubesock hasn't convinced me but I haven't read his whole filter. His discussion start-of-D2 with Mocksa seemed weird for him. (And seemed very good for Mocksa, who has continued to seem very Town-like since then, for the record.)

Grack has disappeared, both from the pages I've read and from my mind. IIRC he's voiced some suspicions towards kita and also Koshi that make him look better. But I still remember his D1 posts rubbing me the wrong way.

This also reads like TMI.

That entire paragraph seems fishy as fuck.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:24 GMT
#882
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.

plz lynch

##vote raynpelikoneet

team is probably rayn/koshi "

How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?

This was the only thing before that last quote. So he never really townread HF before making that statement to rayn.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:25 GMT
#884
I think he is mafia. Honest read.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:31 GMT
#886
On June 15 2018 08:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Was hoping rayn would've had time for a long post before PC. Oh well.

Going to go Vote Tubesock in the Vote-thread now. Here's the case:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 05:03 Tubesock wrote:
I liked most all of HF stuff.

I think Mocsta was the one berating and misconstruing. I haven’t liked any of Mocsta’s posts.

I’m also not really a fan of Gracks eod performance. But it’s only scummy if Rayn is mafia. I’m leaning more towards Rayn being town.

Everyone is pretty null. Although Kita made me laugh with two of his posts. And I don’t like to kill people who make me laugh.
This is the post I paraphrased earlier thusly: "I've decided to sheep HF this game. I want to make a remark about Grack's EoD1 but I have TMI so I point out that what he did isn't OBJECTIVELY Scummy, so I won't pursue what should be a subjectively interesting possibility [for me] of finding Mafia. I end the post mentioning one of my Scumbuddies in an off-handed joke."

The next moment you elaborate on Grack, you change your mind about what formed the basis of your earlier read?
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 11:30 Tubesock wrote:
For anyone who’s played more with Grack:

I think of Grack as a player who normally doesn’t really care what the rest of the players think about him. I’ve been in and seen him in games go completely against the tide and not care at all if people scum read him. Fearless.

I think him worrying about how his vote would look right after a “It’s SHENANNY time!” Post is very strange.

Am I wrong? (Not to mention why he wouldn’t just kill rayn because it seemed he wanted him dead more so than Palmar)


This post also looks pretty bad. There's the soft-defending of kitaman, for one thing. But there's also the fact that you have "decided" to suspect iamperfection, while Mocsta's the person you've paid more attention to. Not just by your own direct admission, but also because you say you've liked HF's content, and you went out of your separate way to mention Mocsta in your first catch-up and reads -post.
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 09:04 Tubesock wrote:
On June 12 2018 08:57 Mocsta wrote:
literally you held a relatively strong position before on read with no mention of iamp at all.

Now everything else is dropped.. pfft.

Why not kitaman?


I could vote you also. NK kinda implicates you as well since Superbia was suspicious but then kinda not. But he was pretty flaky on his read so he could probably be a threat to you as well. Why is iamperfection town to you? Because he is bored and not interested in the game? You don’t think a mafia wouldn’t say that to keep lurking?

Kitaman is on the funny side of town, so as I said earlier I won’t vote him. Although if Kita does flip mafia then I’ll believe you’re
Town so there’s that.


When it comes to your iamperfection-suspicion, you remain passive aggressive. You don't pursue it, you don't ask questions. Instead you just keep pointing out that it's a thing and it should be a thing for the rest of us as well -- but your Vote just kind of ends up remaining there until the very end of the Phase. Even though a LOT happened in the mean time.

And then you weren't around to help save kitaman EoD2. And your posts since the flip have been one-liners.

And the soft-defending of kitaman I mentioned earlier also happened in all of your other comments regarding him.

This case is also pushing the limits.

1) Tubesock comment about Kita is not clear mafia on mafia. Could just be town being wrong.
2) The Grack quote is actually a pretty good post by Tube tbh. Also. Slender his second point in the case is a quite open question to Tube...
3) Again. I think that quote looks actually pretty ok. Pressure on Mocsta. Pressure on iamp. And yes Tube is wrong on Kita but that can just be a mistake. Pushing that twice in the thread while going aginst Mocsta seems more likely town being wrong than mafia pushing an idea.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:32 GMT
#887
Meh.

If Slender is an ok player.

Then he is mafia.


If he is a bit of a new wonky player.

I could maybe see him be town
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:34 GMT
#888
The case he makes on Tubesock and the read he gave rayn about HF or the one of Rels is just not on the same level.

His read on Rels is beyond Godlike if it is true. Rels popping in sheeping rayn a bit is clear town.
How he says rayn is getting too emotional towards HF and not seeing clear is a pretty nice read in case HF is town.

His case on Tube is sloppy as fuck and reaching pretty fucking far.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:34 GMT
#889
Dnu. Dnu.
I could easily vote Slendy.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:36 GMT
#892
I don't want to vote Mocsta.
I don't want to vote Kelsier (due to that new thing I found)

I prefer to sit with Grack and Mocsta and lose HF (sheeping 3 townreads, 1 died) than let Kelsier get lynched.


And if you die HF I know your Mocsta read is legit. Even though I somewhat think you are town but w.e. I was wrong last time as well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:37 GMT
#894
On June 17 2018 06:35 Rels wrote:
maybe. Can't find why I thought he was town. Do you think it's impossible HF / Slender are scum together based on your post above ? Cause I would always lynch HF over Slend there.

I wont. Kill useless players first. Let HF play the game. He deserves it.

I don't see HF be mafia. But I might be wrong and am willing to vote with town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:41 GMT
#898
If iamp is mafia Kelsier isn't.

I still see iamp be mafia with a lot of people.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:44 GMT
#901
Well I yield then. Going to get a drink and a smoke. I will check in from time to time.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:46 GMT
#903
@HF. Knowing you will die. Please give honest to god reads about everybody.
Couple lines is fine. I always reread those and take them into consideration.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:46 GMT
#904
HF can be mafia with both iamp and slender I think.
So life is still good.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 21:47 GMT
#905
I think it is slender.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 22:15 GMT
#912
If you are mafia I applaud you because you are clear town to me.
But you need the brigade to vote Slendy.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 22:19 GMT
#917
I am part of the brigade. But I can't let Kelsier die atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 22:21 GMT
#919
That sounds too logical
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 22:43 GMT
#931
Yes
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 22:44 GMT
#933
On June 17 2018 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:
How confident are you in Mocsta town?

I scumread him till rayn told me I was bad and I accepted that fact.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2018 22:46 GMT
#934
On June 11 2018 04:45 Koshi wrote:
I also did think for a second fuba was different from last game when I was skimming.

I don't think this makes fuba mafia or town.

But it makes HF townie.

First official Koshi read:
HF

On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

On June 14 2018 01:18 Koshi wrote:
I'll do some effort. I am at a pc since a long time and why the fuck not. And if I am lynched I can shrug and live with the fact the townies on me had information to decide correctly.

1. Holyflare
Town - I said why
4. raynpelikoneet
Can't read his posts because they are boring as fuck.
5. fuba
Blue claim and will believe it. Dumb as fuck claim unless he was going to get lynched and I think he might be so ok for me.
6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia. Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol.

7. Tubesock
See my earlier townread on him. It was explained.
Then this post:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 05:03 Tubesock wrote:
I liked most all of HF stuff.

I think Mocsta was the one berating and misconstruing. I haven’t liked any of Mocsta’s posts.

I’m also not really a fan of Gracks eod performance. But it’s only scummy if Rayn is mafia. I’m leaning more towards Rayn being town.

Everyone is pretty null. Although Kita made me laugh with two of his posts. And I don’t like to kill people who make me laugh.

Let's just lynch Mocsta and if he is mafia we have some confirmed townies and can be happy.


8. Mocsta
Really Mocsta. No offense. I like you. Also you think I am mafia so in the rare case you are town just see this as a mafia annoying you trying to tilt you.

If Mocsta is town, he is (more likely) extremely wrong this game. (kita is not mafia, I am not mafia)
If Mocsta is town, he is boring as fuck to read. Really fucking boring posts imo.
If Mocsta is town, he bickers with people (ex. Tube) and not doing a lot of working together with people to solve the game.
If Mocsta is town, he is super m33k towards HF and rayn and again he is not making posts towards them that look townie. He is not trying to push his will on them, just greasing them or something. It's dirty.

And all in all I don't believe Mocsta scumreads kita but is just mafia defending against with OMGUS.

10. Rels
Should have killed this shitter D1 like I told you. Still looks like horseshit even if iamp is mafia or rayn town or w.e he said in his little post is true. Lynch this fucker.


11. KelsierSC
More trash for the trashcan

12. iamperfection
He is mafia more likely. I would lynch him over Rels and Kelsier. Because the other 2 are more likely to be trash and town than iamp.

13. Grackaroni
Could be mafia taking the backseat adjusting his reads correctly when sentiment shifts. So could be dangerous mafia. But we probably can't lynch him till the trash is taken out. Also haven't reread his filter.


14. TheSlenderMan
Trash for the trashcan.

I had a good night of sleep.
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