Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII

On January 05 2018 10:41 Damdred wrote:
/in havent played with mrs. Tina in awhile, though she hates me anyway

On January 12 2018 23:08 kitaman27 wrote:


I hereby nominate TheTwatyEvildoer for Best Newcomer, Most Impressive Newbie Performance, and Drama Queen. Suck it btdt.

Two more signups and we can start :D

On January 15 2018 04:06 justanothertownie wrote:
:D

If it takes some more days for you guys to find someone I will join. Right now I think it would not be that good of an idea. I will have to give talk on friday and I feel like playing mafia with very limited time in general would really pose a problem.
For now i will just

/replace.

On January 18 2018 10:05 Mocsta wrote:
So... anyone there?

Thoughts to share?
Is mderg and mocsta voting Holyflare fake news?
Is mderg and mocsta voting Holyflare real news?
Is Holyflare response indicative of anything?
Heck, is my innovative pickup line worth using in real life?

Now before you go


How about this,

Yes, No, No, Yes

Unfortunately, im back where i started... with nothing cept a line, and crappy one at that

On January 18 2018 15:32 rsoultin wrote:

I think I like you.

On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character and why is he speaking so much?

On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:


Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already.

On January 18 2018 16:55 Holyflare wrote:
There's a cream for that.

On January 18 2018 17:18 Holyflare wrote:
Cos I'm town.

Also don't take mocsta's enthusiasm as towny. Looks pretty forced and says nothing.

On January 18 2018 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
Too much in his filter to read.

On January 18 2018 18:04 mderg wrote:
boring

On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.

some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw

On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:




So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley?

The majority of your posts have just been almost filler in my eyes. You say something, and then instantly contridict yourself. You also seem to have spent a major part of your posts focused on Holyflare, but haven't came to a full read or even pressure him. Just kinda restating comments that show you are suspecious of him, yet never doing anything with it.

On January 19 2018 05:10 darthfoley wrote:
I need to reread Damerion's back and forth with Damdred, but it felt like a "trust me dude" meta read which isn't a lot to go on unless he was trying to bait a reaction. On the other hand, Damdred pulling a BTDT and being a little dramatic is not what I would expect from Damdred over a simple accusation on D1.

So basically I don't know.

Mocsta can still be scum though.

On January 19 2018 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
I will try to organise my thoughts in a concise why.

Main issue is the damdred discussion. The impression I get is that damerion has a meta read that he is very proud of but in those situations you have to be careful not to get too excited and see the read everywhere. I think this may be the case, especially with how early he came out with it. I believe damerion mentioned damdred going on df with "ferocity". That's where he lost if for me. I didn't see damdred being ferocious at all. In fact I didn't feel he was really pushing a scum read that hard.

I don't know where I have damdred, he has done things I like and things I don't like. For damerion...Is he misguided overeager town or scum...probably over eager town.


I think Twaty and rsoultin are both town. I've agreed with most everything that Tina has said and I knew she would like costa. They both post in similair style. Costa's enthusiasm is enough for a tone read pass D1.

my scummy reads come from people who agree on the damdred wagon when they should probably know better. I think hf questioning damdred on his df and costa both being scum was bad. To me that was a guy giving two people who in his opinion have made questionable posts. Not considering partners at that stage. Rels is similar as a guy who has popped up with some one liners and then latched onto this damdred read.

I don't like Mderg I think his disappointment at the thread felt fake and his 10 page hf point was not my experience of hf at all. In general I have disagreed with almost everything he said apart from his agreement that damerion is just too aggro. So I could see Mderg knowing both damdred and damerion are town and trying to get some credit later...maybe im just biased with that .

Right now i'd lynch HF, rels, Mderg and prplhz because his 2 day afk is just bullshit.

I like kmatt but just because his 4d chess comment was really funny.

Sorry this turned into a ramble.

On January 19 2018 07:14 Holyflare wrote:


How have I added nothing? I started this damdred train and I dislike Mocsta's posts because he STILL has added nothing to the game.

Damdred has basically confirmed himself mafia in my eyes. You don't agree with the call out and downplay it as if he noticed it. No way on earth.

On January 19 2018 07:24 KelsierSC wrote:


Depends on how odious HF plans on being this game.

On January 19 2018 07:31 Holyflare wrote:


I think he thinks Damerion is an extremely good player that caught him and he panic responded absolutely.

On January 19 2018 07:55 Damdred wrote:
I dont think I have ever panicked from pressure as scum. If I have an example of that should be quite easy to find.

Also i dont believe that me trying to remove a word from my postings degrades my town game. I noticed something and changed it, big whoop.

I can disagree with how he is using a point and still agree that something is/was factually correct however.

tina and kel can enter the town pile and hf can get out of it. I do not think he can be this obtuse as town.

Hi sleepy tina

On January 19 2018 08:02 Holyflare wrote:


And like I said to the previous drivel that kelsier posted. How can you ever state the read is wrong when the player themselves acknowledged it's correct. I can't even fathom the mindset.

On January 19 2018 08:10 Damdred wrote:


Well it can always wait till the A.M. I suppose.

I tgink whats bugging me the most here and now is Rels attachment to the Damer led wagon. Usually he loves giving me time but hwre hes just ao ready to kill me.

So unlike rels meh...

On January 19 2018 08:34 prplhz wrote:
I have very little time who are you voting for rsoultin?

On January 19 2018 15:12 Mocsta wrote:
Welcome, however Im a bit confused here, because I cant tell if you are addressing me; or responding to a comment I wrote to ?Kelsier?

As for the bold.. ppl jump on wagons all the time.
I think its quite pointless to question the antics and sequences, unless a flip connected to the wagon has occured.

With your damdred knowledge, as town, is he liable to use an appeal to emotion?

On January 19 2018 15:17 Mocsta wrote:




As a web of posts, I see an effort to provide small impetus.
They arent meaningless posts, rather, they succinctly question the thought process.

I dont think in any of these examples he is trying to exert/influence the recipients view point - rather open their thoughts.
That is constructive prodding to me.

On January 19 2018 15:32 Mocsta wrote:
rsoultin, perhaps you have misunderstood "Appeal to Emotion"

I am at no point commenting of damdred becoming emotional. I am commenting on him plucking on the emotions of the thread to push his agenda.

Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence

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Re: wagon voters
Its not real pressure unless all town are voting. Last I checked, 5 voted, 8 did not vote.
There is no real pressure to be lynched at this stage...
Thus, I dont view assessing a non-flipped wagon on day1 as legitimate, because town and mafia are equally capable of jumping on for funsies, pressure, laziness <insert another 1000 reasons>.
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As for HF, I see a lynch on him at this stage as a hail-mary attempt.
If hes mafia, its very destabilising, and almost game over.
If hes town, its destabilising and we lose a very good asset.

Remember, he would also have 2 team mates...

On January 19 2018 15:35 Mocsta wrote:
rsoultin,

In retrospect, I would like to hear HF thoughts on my damdred observations.

Whilst I dont like HF voting damdred for behaviour instead of motive; it is also arguable I could only discern motive through a vote on behaviour.

My problem is a town or mafia HF could easily say they voted damdred because of the meta case as a prod...
where does that get us?

On January 19 2018 15:52 Mocsta wrote:

(1) Im not sure what is "aoe"

If you are referring to appeal to emotion by damdred, its in my vote post... whilst brushing off damerion, he keeps trying to casually bring back to the fore mocsta/DF, without substantiating why its relevant or trying to develop it further... to me, the purpose of that is to get others to grab the idea and flesh it out on his behalf... hence appeal to emotion / puppet master play.

(2) As for HF
I understand to an extent what you are saying; and agree there are points that HF needs to clarify.
Best lynch of the day though?? I am still not seeing it.

(3) How about we change topic.
What are your thoughts on darthfoley and mderg?

Since you like wagon timings... what do you think about rels?

On January 19 2018 16:08 Mocsta wrote:
Lets put HF and the others aside, since they are covered to some degree.
you are hard on damdred and you think its completely OK for him to pursue a lead without evidence.

Tell me, does this fit within your knowledge of how damdred plays?
Everything about him to me reads as measured and carefully considered.. proofing before posting possibly more than twice. Everything is INTENTIONAL...

If you have this player that is known to focus on his town-reads first... why then, +1 thread sentiment with no additional reasoning or attempt to probe into me or DF further?
Is this really town play to you for a regarded player (to borrow your HF line)

On January 19 2018 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
i be heading off now, but im disappointed we can't see eye to eye about damdred.

I will have a think about how I can communicate what I am seeing more clearly.. remember, Im not viewing damdred in isolation of a meta-case. - which you appear to be fixated with.

On January 19 2018 15:47 Mocsta wrote:
Whether anyone else agrees or not.. I think the timezone of this game is really impacting certain hours (especially near deadline).. Where im getting at, is the first 12hours of the game was sleep time for lots of people which naturally makes sense with ppl coming in, throwing a post and then disappearing.. HF (and others) are not doing this exclusively to you.. so I shamelessly am writing off a lot of that stuff as a tell/motive.

To me its only more relevant if HF was still doing this to you (i.e. prior to deadline).
i.e a pattern has formed of ignoring your prodding.

perhaps valid.. i agree on the behaviour vs. motive part.

i *REALLY* like this from you. I think its very townie to be offended someone you are trying to discern "treats' you that way. Whether your read is right or wrong, I do think you are taking it a little too personal, as there are plenty of reasons this could have happened that are not even mafia/town related.. but just, in-real life related.

I felt I understood why HF pointed that out, and it was reinforced by Kelsier assumptino on how you may have read me.. I think Kelsier single handedly destroys your argument.

On January 19 2018 17:04 Holyflare wrote:


I didn't care about the meta read. I didn't even give it any weight at all. Damdred's responses are what clinched it. It's such a fucking random thing to coincidentally notice within the last one game that he's played with Damerion when Damerion has never mentioned it at all. It looks like Damdred gets caught on the back foot from a guy he puts a lot of weight on his reads on and then flails. "oh lol I know about that and I'm changing it despite nobody ever mentioning it ever and me playing for 5 years but somehow I realised it within 1 game with playing with you despite you not uttering a word of it"

That's so unbelievably farfetched I can't understand how anyone can brush it off.

On January 19 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
And just because I'm not posting much or am sitting along and antagonising doesn't make me mafia. It's disingenuous to say I'm one of the best players on the site (I'd argue I'm only good at playing mafia) so I'm mafia for being underwhelming and not responding. That's a bad read.

On January 19 2018 17:39 Holyflare wrote:
I also absolutely do not share the opinion that df has done enough either. This guy gets regularly shot n1.

On January 19 2018 02:41 Damdred wrote:


I really do not care about "pressure" if the only reason you are voting me is to pressure me then it is futile. I work when I want to work and otherwise I roll around the thread until something interesting happens.

And as for being lynched? Well I could probably care more but we will see what happens at eod.

If I am lynched the people who refuse to really take a stand or characterize others for being scummy for doing so (mderg for instance) should be looked at pretty closely, I do not like his postings at this point even if he is defending me.

In any case i'll have some form of team for post game cred before long anyway, you children and my babies just have fun rolling around until I do.

On January 18 2018 22:33 Damdred wrote:
Thats an interesting meta read on me I guess? And the praise given I enjoy bathing in it.

But I disagree with the read, firstly I do recognize my word usage of the word like has at times.... been extreme. And I am surprised that nobody has really caught it a bit to that point. But once I realized what I was doing a few games ago with getting excited I decided it was time to eliminate it just because as you put it sounding like "a valley girl" is not appealing to me lol.

As for the rest well there just isn't much to go on at this point no? so whats wrong with building a town circle built on what I have seen, people who agree with my view of the game is a good place to start with. Or at least people I do not want to fight with (HF baby don't leave me).

really interesting you came out against me though, not sure what it makes you. I am a hard target so I give you credit damer for coming at me, but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?

So hm I guess i'm leaning town on damer seems a bit suicidal way to bring attention to himself in that way especially with the game kinda stale?

On January 19 2018 18:14 Holyflare wrote:


Also to further add to that if Damdred did do that and realised as town I don't think he makes his town game more unnatural and removes it. He should add it to his mafia play.

On January 19 2018 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
The posts you link to damdred being calm and town he's absolutely capable (and has) as mafia. I agree his posts are calm and collected, and like I said, don't really do anything other than try and manipulate people's impression of his standing. It's just that one specific post in response to Damerion that is the panicked one and makes him mafia.

On January 19 2018 19:39 Holyflare wrote:
We'll just agree to disagree on Damdred and then I'll be right.

On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.

Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.

I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.

I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.

I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.

with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.

At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.

On January 19 2018 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote:

connerie, mes amis

On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote:


btdt is weak I would agree.

I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe.

df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum.

then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum.

basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad.

I think df or btdt is scum though.

On January 19 2018 23:45 Rels wrote:
rsoul is town ez game then

On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow

On January 20 2018 00:10 Rels wrote:
wasn't mderg the real strong scum in a game that he basically won then gave up because he though he cheated ?

On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then

On January 20 2018 00:37 Rels wrote:

dunno. But if it's not that I don't think it's likely he made his first and only big post on his partner - push or not push

On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that.

so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired.

On January 20 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
"I need to read" into nothing and you're all still blind af.

On January 20 2018 04:37 darthfoley wrote:


Can you stop talking about me and do it, if you're gonna do it? You've been trying to start a wagon on me for 3 pages without actually starting it.

Either put up or shut up.

I'm back btw

On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred
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I am concerned...

I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads.



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If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club.
Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler +

Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above.

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But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds.


Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case

• Case is quite subjective to me, and presents a damned-if-you, damned-if-you-don't argument.
  Acceptable for early Day1 and overall, I catergorise this as a poke.
  
• Damdred brushing off the case is only indicative of confidence, rather than alignment
  
• Damerion followup is OK given the case/poke premise of meta.
  
• Damdred wanting to work together is only indicative of understanding the game mechanics , rather than alignment.

Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response.

"Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy"
"But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway."
"but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?"

This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst.

I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak.
This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker.

Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it.
Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap?

Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play.

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Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.

On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well

On January 20 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote:
*Burp* why have you summined mw

On January 20 2018 04:54 darthfoley wrote:
I just commented on my opinion of Mocsta. If you have a specific line of questioning, then be more specific.

On January 20 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:


Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative?

On January 20 2018 05:03 Damdred wrote:


Let me make this clear then, it is extremely difficult for my style so early to find meaninful conclusions when so much of the thread is about me.

I still think the game comes down to

DF/moc and then some form of combination afterwards.

I do not believe btdt is scum, his play is to off the cuff and free imo. If I had to lay a idea down thw btdt v damdred wagon is t v t and i wont vote him to save myself.

DF and moc are name dropping each other a bit to create distance but its just shadow games and soft pushes at this point.

Moc vote on me was suoer opportunistic, his vote is over explained and well for just an ok case my damer as he calls it he sure does go in hard.

DF is a little to clean here to me and isnt rwally digging anywhere worthwhile.

RS, Kel, btdt are never scum to me.

After that I really have small inklings, twat doing his vote and never making another contriubtion at this point is head acratching but he could be busy. Same for damer.

HF could go either way and rels.

So eh?

On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting

On January 20 2018 05:16 KelsierSC wrote:
everytime I read that BTDT filter though....like does this guy really get a pass.

I guess in his defence there is less things to dislike than df.

On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

On January 20 2018 05:20 darthfoley wrote:


I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy.

I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog

On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

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Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred

On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:


I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.

On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:


Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.

On January 20 2018 05:56 darthfoley wrote:


And I'm fundamentally done talking to you for now.

On January 20 2018 06:03 Damerion wrote:
It is Damdreds fault that I have developed any sort of meta read on him from just a few games. He can confirm or deny this of course which is easy enough to see.

Besides the like thing, I found that out on my own.

Besides that I have no real way to prove anything.

And as for Damdreds motivation, he is a swag type player making plays for the laughs post game. Perhaps he wants to push off a scum partner, or wants to confuse the vote count eod.

On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.

On January 20 2018 06:10 Holyflare wrote:


If it's bull shit why the fuck would damdred agree with it????

On January 20 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lol btdt and damdred are a team

On January 20 2018 06:13 darthfoley wrote:


I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff.

My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since.

He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts.

On January 20 2018 06:14 Holyflare wrote:


Damerion has pushed a lynch on scum 100% of the time in every gamr I've played with him. He generally lives 3 ish days and all 3 days he pushes scum. He has correctly got scum about 12/12 times.

On January 20 2018 06:15 Holyflare wrote:


No I finished work at 7

On January 20 2018 06:21 Holyflare wrote:
What world are we living in where I am getting called a liar for an easily provable truth lol? What shit play is that.

On January 20 2018 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
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On January 20 2018 06:19 Damerion wrote:


Ive pulled it from reading past games, talking mafia with Damdred. I do not know what else to say other than that?

I do not feel like his early game was free flowing however, in fact his gameplay has been hyper static this whole game.

On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.

What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.

Maybe I should be less active instead then?

On January 20 2018 06:36 Holyflare wrote:


I think it's fairly fucking obvious going from 1 post every 8 1/2 hours to a spree of posts in minutes after the general times of working hours is a normal thing for normal people to do. Unless you're saying my mafia play is gross inactivity.

I don't even know what the vote count is or who is even voting who tbh. Haven't looked at the vote thread since I voted.

On January 20 2018 06:35 darthfoley wrote:
Did Damerion ever say what he thinks of BTDT?

On January 20 2018 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
You're saying that if df flips mafia then my motivation is a mafia motivation because fuck really blatant observable facts. You are the one going down this shit route. I'm just calling out bs when I see it.

Regardless, I forgot twat and kmatt. Twat goes top and kmatt goes to df tier.

On January 20 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote:
You're also doing irrelevant Damerion questioning. There's two people up for lynch afaik. Damdred and df. I would like a little more focus on that. Or even mocsta.

Why are people voting df?

On January 20 2018 06:42 Holyflare wrote:


Would you like me to get the emails from work of exactly what I was doing at the time of btdt posts? It's very very easy to prove actually.

On January 20 2018 06:41 Holyflare wrote:


This is Damerion in every single game. Pick a mafia, get ignored and very much afk with a focus on one person. Every single game. Person is mafia every time.

On January 20 2018 06:45 Holyflare wrote:


All of those explanations of mocsta are correct though? Your post with green or red was a really fucking scummy post with multiple outs. Mocsta defended me from you multiple times and his read on me in that post barely even thought I was anything.

On January 20 2018 06:50 darthfoley wrote:
Like idk why rsoultin has such a hard time seeing the forest through the trees or whatever the saying is. My read on Mocsta is static because he hasn't done shit to change it. Why is that so hard to understand?

And all the other people who are on me have conveniently fucked off.

On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:

no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum.

On January 20 2018 08:12 Holyflare wrote:


read the timestamps he never contributes other than tunnel and I call him out on it every game

link me my filter from this magic game

On January 19 2018 02:41 Damdred wrote:


I really do not care about "pressure" if the only reason you are voting me is to pressure me then it is futile. I work when I want to work and otherwise I roll around the thread until something interesting happens.

And as for being lynched? Well I could probably care more but we will see what happens at eod.

If I am lynched the people who refuse to really take a stand or characterize others for being scummy for doing so (mderg for instance) should be looked at pretty closely, I do not like his postings at this point even if he is defending me.

In any case i'll have some form of team for post game cred before long anyway, you children and my babies just have fun rolling around until I do.

On January 20 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
because I'm not the one extrapolating the wrong conclusions about a player from previous games

so link where you're getting this evidence and link my filter so I can quote to you the exact moment where I repeat all the words you're repeating now about damerion

On January 20 2018 08:28 Damdred wrote:
damn i am going to die ibguess?

lynch df, lynch mocasta

say thank god ian is better than me and fins the third.

On January 20 2018 08:41 Damdred wrote:
gut feelings for btdt i liked hia tone also.

I just dont like moc, over explained vote. Overcompensation early feighing being excited, tag along vote. Doesnt pay attention to df who has been shitting on him in a soft push kind of way.

Damer could be scum btw but yeah

On January 20 2018 08:49 mderg wrote:
Kelsier is scum btw

On January 20 2018 08:53 Damdred wrote:
second stupidest reason ive ever been lynched.

final three after deep thoughts

Moc/df/daner

could sub damer out for prp maybe.

On January 20 2018 09:01 Holyflare wrote:
mocsta tomorrow

On January 20 2018 09:06 Holyflare wrote:


There is no way that Damerion pieces together that Damdred says like a lot as town and as his big entrance to the game realises that Damdred, as town, is not saying like a lot and reveals this big meta point to vote damdred just to look that bad after his flip and have nothing to fall back on. I simply will not believe it. That's not how any mafia person's thought process goes.

On January 21 2018 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
It's like 50% wrong lol

On January 21 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
No, seriously, I've already explained it is? How is that inflammatory in any way?

On January 21 2018 18:37 mderg wrote:

Only a little bit off here...

On January 21 2018 19:12 Mocsta wrote:
Rsoultin

Note hf setting up for day2 lynch focus before damdred flipped

Note his day2 target was damdred prime target

I asked before if i should expect more from town hf.
The answer is unequivocally yes.
The lack of activity i get. We are all busy.
Its the "confirmation bias" hf is applying kn things that are clearly not alignment indicativr... same thing as darthfoley.

Since when is a case built on "minutia" indicative of town or mafia to quote df.

Btw... check out kelsier reads before lynch and the kill is staring to make lots of sense

On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at the votes:




I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.

So this is where I'm at:




That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town

On January 21 2018 19:28 mderg wrote:
Giving hf the benefit of the doubt is not something I would be comfortable with

On January 21 2018 19:43 Mocsta wrote:
Btw

Holyflare is the guy that calls damdred scum for thinking me and darthfoley are scum

Yet thinks im scum with damdred.....

Town hf is not this infallible

On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:

It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me?

I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point.

I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though.

On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:

I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at.

On January 21 2018 20:02 Holyflare wrote:


What are you even talking about lol? I've been lynched pretty consistently and easily the past few games.

On January 21 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
im happy to clear BTDT by association after reading Darthfoley filter
the nitpicking case reminds me of the bullshit he stated for me being scum.

So i think mderg summary below is accurate.


Its not unheard of for scum to not vote, but its not something I would be willing to consider at this stage. Even with 2 town being prime bandwagon, the fact that DF was semi-close to a lynch should force a scum kmatt to vote.
So kmatt is effectively green for today.

Im still green on TWAT + Rels

2 scum within: damerion, HF, mderg, prplhz

If damdred is the player everyone says he is, its quite the mastermind effort to facillitate a lynch him day1.
This points to HF for me by default.

need to know why Hf thinks prplhz is town.

gonna start looking into mderg in more detail

On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote:
And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it.

Slight Town:
Rsoultin
Holyflare
BTDT

Slight Scum:
DF (sorry baby)
Mocsta

Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know.

On January 21 2018 20:55 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think my mocsta read is old at all. His reasons for voting damdred didn't make sense when the post before his vote was literally calling out df. I don't think it's a natural progression in the slightest to share the same read as someone but also be calling them mafia. This is abundantly clear on day 1 from his wishy washy list post that says nothing and these posts are repeated a lot of times. He called me mafia but conveniently couldn't remember any of the points I raised about myself which means he didn't actually read anything I wrote before calling me mafia.

Also don't care about lynching into prplhz/Damerion anymore. Thought prplhz donating his vote to you was towny but he didn't vote with you so definitely lynch. Damerion has no follow up. Nothing to give. Would rather lynch prplhz though over him until he posts.

On January 21 2018 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
holflare tactic this game is to claim he has said something, that upon filter dive is so vague no one knows what he is talking about.

prime example is selling the damdred case by saying it initiated it. - i.e. appeal to authority

On January 21 2018 21:21 Holyflare wrote:
I also don't understand what you mean about a btdt/damdred town world and him not being mafia?

On January 21 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote:


Which wouldn't be a problem because I do that all the time but I reevaluate if it's something that blatant. Which Mocsta is seriously lacking. I don't think his reads have progression. It's just someone is maybe scummy for something into now this person is scummy with no reason in between.

On January 21 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:


Bussing is having a resurgence massively. I don't really care who df pushed weakly or not.

On January 21 2018 21:48 Holyflare wrote:
Despite my want to lynch Mocsta, he's posting and I have a chance to be wrong (even with his repeated bs posts in between mine and the fact I don't think I'm wrong) I still want to lynch prplhz first. His vote is by far the most mafia indicative.

On January 21 2018 21:50 Holyflare wrote:
Also I don't expect you to understand why I put so much weight behind Damerion but I truly haven't seen him be wrong on a mafia lynch yet and he seemed certain so I put a lot of weight into him. Seemed really hail mary if he's mafia to look awful after a damdred flip. Didn't seem necessary at all.

On January 22 2018 04:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm fairly certain prplhz is scum.

On January 22 2018 17:13 Mocsta wrote:
meh.. i can see why you think you said it.

still think its crap though