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and this is in wake on the RB talk I was alluding to earlier:
On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
umm guys.
stop being doo-doo heads
tahts an exact replica of what we discussed
hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum
yes 100% confirmed.
what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please.
On January 26 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer
you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right
its stupid.
yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed.
On January 26 2018 22:42 Mocsta wrote:
The other alternative was they were afraid a medic was out
Like this converdation is ridiculous
Id yoy want ro discuss strategy then weigh all options
Its the definition od tunneled and im glad at least rels can see it
Again
Ifnyou want ro say btdt 99% town go ahead. I tend to agree.
However btst is not 100% confirmed in amy way shape or form
Frankly ita disgraceful to perpetuate that type of non sense to people not reading this as analytically
On January 26 2018 22:46 Mocsta wrote:
Because your statement has an exclusion clause
By definition it is not "confirmed"
I dont give a shit anymore
Bye
On January 26 2018 22:47 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:
It is very very simple.
Mafia either rbed btdt or they for whatever weird and unlikely reason DID NOT USE THEIR ROLEBLOCK AT ALL. Because any rbed townie would have claimed the rb. precisely You dont knoe Yoy are making an educated assumption and feigning thid as a if you had a cop check
On January 26 2018 22:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 21:38 justanothertownie wrote:
They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all Smart. Bullshit Btdt is town "unless" Dont say near confirmed....
On January 26 2018 22:50 Mocsta wrote:
I give a shit about this because this type of thinking leads to a self fulfilling prophecy thay hf is lynched tomorrow
Everyone ahould be approaching this day with open eyes and ears
On January 26 2018 22:56 Mocsta wrote:
Ummm no
Open your eyes
In your mind you made a statement about in your words "neae confirmed"
Now one has openly interpretted as 100% confirmed and thenother indicates full agreement via "smart"
Ithink its relevant and will leave that as my last words.
Scum are convinced BTDT is blue. They roleblocked him repeatedly, and killed him last night. So scum expects BTDT to claim at some point. Do they really get angry when people suddenly assume BTDT is near confirmed town ? Doesn't seem logical to me.
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On January 30 2018 20:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 21:11 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 21:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum. Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him. Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics. I too get a ray of hope from mderg. Who are you and what did you do to the real holyflare? The bolded nested quote might be interesting. Something Rels did that was shady if damdred flipped. Lots of talk about it.
This is actually pretty wrong. Like, on the contrary. KSC is saying this:
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
So he's saying he doesnt think Rels is scum anymore. This is totally backward.
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Koshi had had a good activity and tone at the start, but rereading them they're actually easy to fake. There is nothing of substance in it. Proof is, every "reasons" he posted to support a vote on me was wrong. And not wrong like "I disagree with this interpretation", factually wrong.
On January 30 2018 19:56 Koshi wrote:
And Rels his filter is really bleak. The HF stuff is all great fun but I did the same with Palmar last year.
The total picture is completely missing in Rels his filter. He isnt prodding enough people and he doesnt store and remember good posts in his head.
On the contrary, I refer to other parts of the game a lot. Doesn't make me town 'cause I played a very good scum game. But it never makes me scum.
On January 30 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum Mderg this Rels read. Remember it.
This was when I had like 3 posts, jumping on Damdred's wagon immediately. After I really entered the game, this read was no longer true.
On January 30 2018 20:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 21:11 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 21:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum. Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him. Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics. I too get a ray of hope from mderg. Who are you and what did you do to the real holyflare? The bolded nested quote might be interesting. Something Rels did that was shady if damdred flipped. Lots of talk about it.
This is even worse: Koshi uses something completely backward, since KSC is saying he doesn't actually scumread me if Damdred flips town.
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and yeah, Kmatt's filter is still trash. Only redeeming thing is that he stepped up against town consensus to defend Damerion at some point. But apart from that, it's pretty empty of any substance.
On January 28 2018 01:09 Kmatt wrote:
I love how every time I come back here I find some variant of "kmatt disappeared out of nowhere wtf". I'm pretty sure "United States" appears next to my name. Lrn2hemisphere
Anyway as for the current gamestate.
JaT: Town. Twat was mostly a townread until I started suspecting him towards the end of D1/D2, but JaT has filled the shoes nicely. Also for noticing the BTDT roleblock thing. Only a mafia player managing a 5D chessboard would have thought to fake that so far in advance.
BTDT: Town by power of claim
Mderg: Not a ton of impact but nothing scummy. A lot of the claims he threw out, especially early seemed a little too bold for typical mafia. Not sure if that's his meta or whatever but I can townread him easily enough.
Rels: A bit of buddying, and definitely goes against the grain by believing in me, but I see it as towny tunneling on HF. If he believes HF is scum then he has to be able to excuse me. Mafia!Rels would be just as happy to have the easy lynch (Me) to be next in line if he knew HF was going to flip green.
Holyflare: still want to lynch him
mcosta: Don't have a hard read on this guy, but while looking over the filter I'll take this minute to claim that there was no ulterior motive to not voting D1. I had been in the thread earlier, hadn't made up my mind on voting, went out to do something that night an checked in on the thread realizing that I didn't actually know when the deadline was.
Also I don't know what his shtick is with the BTDT not-being-confirmed business.
This is exactly what I expect scum to do about BTDT. Totally opposite to what Mocsta did.
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if mderg is scum he has me completely pocketed. His filter is super logical
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On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning
You didn't seem to wiggle much this game though ?
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On January 31 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Ovwrall I would be suprised if both df and damerion talked so much about their teammate Mocsta.
Mderg has a low filter and it makes sense mafia doesnt talk about him if he is town. Just keep him alive and dont townclear him to the thread.
Mderg on the other hand talked about them. So I think it is more likely mafia ignored and didnt talk to town!mderg to draw less attention to them. And mderg probably didnt have enough weight in the thread to ve listened to by the vets.
Rels looks the worst because both the mafia didnt talk about him. And like I said before, Rels didnt prodded them enough. Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later.
Conclusion is same as before. Rels is mafia.
that's wrong though. I was suspicious of Damerion since D1, and I conforted rsoul in her scumread on him:
On January 20 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:
I remember Damerion being impressive in one game, don't know which one. I don't remember him being tunneled on one dude though. Yet the totality of the posts he made this game are targeted at Damdred. He's so convinced, when I think he's partly wrong on his meta, with the part that Damdred is exagerating the fact that he busses all the time.
On January 20 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid.
Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case? no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. Well, I'm not townreading him for sure. But I want to consolidate on not-Damdred so... That's everyone on my original list of seven except you if I remember correctly. Who I'd vote over Damdred. I still don't like darth foley really but I remember not liking him anyway as town so that should be taken with a grain of salt. Damerion though...this doesn't read like his last three town games at all. And the meta's being applied wrong. I think I'd prefer his lynch over everyone now >< yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind
This is also BS: "Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later. ". If you're talking about D2, I voted him.
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On January 31 2018 16:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred & On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT Yes, initially (when I was just glancing over the game at times and wasn't playing yet) I thought the investment of Rels in the lynch was kinda towni. Knowing alignments I take issue with how he essentially jumped between the town lynches ignoring the mafia wagon.
I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT.
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Koshi is pretty townie though ...
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I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense.
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Kmatt is textbook lynchbait.
Mocsta has some weird posts if he's posts.
mderg had great logic that I loved, but that's way easier to fake than going against the consensus to defend your teammate (Kmatt) or attack a logic everyone else agree upen (Mocsta). I think that's the answer.
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will have to check if that makes sense during lunch break. But it's starting to take form. All I remember from mderg's filter is perfect logic. But no risk, no sound. rsoul made a great case against Damerion, I pushed HF like crazy; mderg just sit back and agreed with it.
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even if I'm lynched it's Koshi / Mocsta / mderg. If Koshi is town I'm pretty sure we win that one.
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On January 31 2018 18:33 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote; Rels
Instead of addressing my day1 query.
starts to call koshi town and mderg scum... nice try
You know, you can talk to me ... quote your query and I will answer it
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On January 31 2018 18:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 23:35 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 23:18 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:52 mderg wrote:
I'm really not sure what to make of this game... I don't have Damdred or Mocsta as scum right now.
Then what so you think of the game so far as it developed. What is your read on damdred? Mcosta rico? Generally? damdred I'm not sure about, I can see the point you made about him looking to agree with people of opposing views. On the other hand his defense doesn't seem like scum to me. The slightly illogical reasoning on the meta stuff just feels super townie to me. I also don't like the way Damerion has gone to attack Damdred. Immediately tunneling on Damdred based solely on meta. I don't know how much there actually is to the meta, though. (probably something at least). Mocsta, I feel showed the kind of openness I would expect town to have. Ok. So going off your filter. So would a list be like: Town: Me Mcosta Rico Rsoultin Mafia: Hf? Confused: Damerion I'm just now worrying about you cause after reading your filter, you seem to be unwilling to commit to anything as well and apart from me and now Mcosta Rico, you haven't taken a strong stance on anything. How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that. Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying Last sentence is so baller if you are bussing.
Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ?
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On January 31 2018 18:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 18:41 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 18:39 Koshi wrote:On January 18 2018 23:35 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 23:18 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:52 mderg wrote:
I'm really not sure what to make of this game... I don't have Damdred or Mocsta as scum right now.
Then what so you think of the game so far as it developed. What is your read on damdred? Mcosta rico? Generally? damdred I'm not sure about, I can see the point you made about him looking to agree with people of opposing views. On the other hand his defense doesn't seem like scum to me. The slightly illogical reasoning on the meta stuff just feels super townie to me. I also don't like the way Damerion has gone to attack Damdred. Immediately tunneling on Damdred based solely on meta. I don't know how much there actually is to the meta, though. (probably something at least). Mocsta, I feel showed the kind of openness I would expect town to have. Ok. So going off your filter. So would a list be like: Town: Me Mcosta Rico Rsoultin Mafia: Hf? Confused: Damerion I'm just now worrying about you cause after reading your filter, you seem to be unwilling to commit to anything as well and apart from me and now Mcosta Rico, you haven't taken a strong stance on anything. How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that. Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying Last sentence is so baller if you are bussing. Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ? Ifhe is mafia with df and damerion he is bussing both teammates. It is pretty awesome if you can then pretend that you are completely clueless. If I was mafia bussing I would pretend I knew everything. Because that is your mindset then. I like the tactic.
not convinced by that. Don't think it makes him town or scum.
And apparently he got sure fast, 'cause after D1 his reads basically didn't budge again until now.
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On January 31 2018 18:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments. Maybe mderg is too right?
yeah that's why I thought he was town for a long time. Called everything I thought before I even thought it. In retrospect it might be TMI.
Look out for how he always sheeps the dominant player while not making waves and not digging too much.
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nothing impossibe. Unless it's against his meta, but I remember him saying he has a pretty good scumgame. Something else to check in lunchbreak.
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and it's only effort. It's not towntells. You playing now is towntells not because of effort, but because how you're doing it. Effort means nothing, unless he has a meta of being like Vivax as scum.
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EPT
