On October 18 2017 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Yeah ok I'm the scummer.
On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely.
Conversation flows naturally.
Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes
On October 15 2017 01:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
Notice the time stamp.
Grack called Conversion relaxed after DF started pushing him.
Here's conversions posts between my read, and gracks read.
He's definitely not "relaxed" here.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2017 01:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people. Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter. @ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now. I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc. The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town On October 15 2017 01:04 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:[quote] It's not exactly true... From Generic: [quote] The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. [quote] A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. [quote] [quote] Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
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Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
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I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. To me it just seems like Grack is not confident in his read, as no one seems to really be backing him up Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:38 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply I did try to convince you/Ruxxar but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now a lot of what I'm working off of is just a feel for whose posting seems weird to me out of the people I've played with before. That won't be worth much in convincing people unless other people who have played with him also feel that his posting is different, which it seems like they don't. I don't know how scum Grack plays, but it seems pretty bad to pin someone as scum and do a soft "I'm might be backing out of this read b/c now I'm unsure with no one agreeing with me" On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am On October 15 2017 00:55 Conversion wrote:
like, not to OMGUS you but literally this entire thread so far has been non-accusatory except grack on oats, ruxxar vs krogan, and then Xen being on the mafia pedestal due to his shitty posts.. and I think he's a bad lynch because he's a newbie, so feel free to contribute On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) On October 15 2017 01:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote:
I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote:
So you're my coach now?
II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait...
I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote:
He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further.
After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment.
In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote:
can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people. Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter. @ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now. I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc. The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town
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