Aside from all this off-topi talk Ruxxar if you're here i'd like to ask you something:
Can you walk me through with the following; Yesterday i tried to go back and read our interactions on D1 and i still can't figure out where i went wrong. I usually try to learn why i misread someone but i honestly can't make any sense of this one. Basically i called you mafia for two reasons and i would like to know why you did those things: - You called out Damdred because he scumread rsoultin based on couple of her opening posts. He even said that very clearly. There is nothing wrong with that but the way you called him out was super bs imo, since you put it in a way of "well if you call out rsoultin then why don't you call these other people out too?", when those said other people had zero posts made. Like, you understand having made a couple of (or even one post) compared to zero posts make a huge difference? I genuinely associate that with mafia since you werent even really calling out Damdred out for what he did (aka the read in itself) but instead for something else (that doesn't even make any sense). It's like you were comparing two things that were completely different. - Then you seemed like Koshi was super duper scummy for you. Why didn't you ever try to talk about Koshi, push him, or interact with him? I mean like... it's not like people "mislead" you into talking about something else (for example in a way i pushed Rels to talk about nonsense in the last game final phase -- to avoid him making a case on BH), you picked the topics you wanted to talk about and Koshi was never there in those topics. I find it very unnatural, since i am used to people wanting to convince other people to lynch their top scumread. Especially when those said other people don't agree with you i don't understand why don't try to convince them and at the same time you are perfectly comfortable to discuss basically every other player in the game rather than Koshi.
And i don't even think that's the worst part. I think the worst part is when i point this out and clearly give you a chance to explain yourself you call my words bs and call me unreasonable. And continue doing the same thing... I mean, did i miss something? Because i don't think i was being unreasonable at all since everything i said is true.
1) Damdred call-out: I was trying to bait some reactions from damdred. Elicit him to perhaps give something away.
I said that my argument wasn't a strong one, but I found it good enough as a pretense to start questioning damdred. I wanted to engage him, but people kept distracting me, relieving him of pressure to respond.
2) No koshi push: Here's my issue:
I made a couple posts on koshi, and the only one to actually respond to any of it in a serious matter was SL his scum buddy. No one else considered my cases to be worth jack. So I'm like ok, I asked a couple people what they thought of koshi and they go "meh w/e".
Then koshi comes back in the thread and posts stuff on VA, but ignores anything I posted on him, leaving me with no more fodder to use against him.
So at this point I could've done more by pressing the issue, and I definitely should have. Instead I kinda lost interest and went "meh". If no one was interested in voting koshi then I'll just do it myself. After a while I got bored, and when geript wanted to recruit people for a skynx lynch I thought it would be more fun than sitting alone on koshi.
3) our argument I think this is simply a matter of perception. I felt like I had pushed koshi quite a bit. You did not.
In hindsight I can see how you would perceive that I hadn't. In my mind however I felt like I had adequately pushed koshi and I was 100% honest when I said so.
I felt like you were trying to throw scum on me by misconstruing my opinion on koshi, which was that he was absolutely my #1 scum read.
On July 27 2017 03:11 geript wrote: Not lynching Koshi D2 was a major mistake. I should've been all over that band wagon. My problem is that I've seen Koshi give absolutely 0 fucks as both alignments and I like a few minor comments he made. Overall though, the Ruxxar Lynch on D2 was a fucking travesty because he was far from a good lynch then. Not lynching VA was much tougher IMO; I don't think there were any slam dunk cases around. We maybe could've pulled a lurker lynch for SL, but past that IDK. There weren't any slam dunk cases on D1 and there were a number of people who allowed the lurker scum to not be easy policy lynches.
Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else.
On July 27 2017 03:11 geript wrote: Not lynching Koshi D2 was a major mistake. I should've been all over that band wagon. My problem is that I've seen Koshi give absolutely 0 fucks as both alignments and I like a few minor comments he made. Overall though, the Ruxxar Lynch on D2 was a fucking travesty because he was far from a good lynch then. Not lynching VA was much tougher IMO; I don't think there were any slam dunk cases around. We maybe could've pulled a lurker lynch for SL, but past that IDK. There weren't any slam dunk cases on D1 and there were a number of people who allowed the lurker scum to not be easy policy lynches.
Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else.
Ruxxar D2 was a huge mistake I felt. Not there to defend himself, everyone had been talking about others the whole day phase...very strange lynch.
i enjoyed lynching him. was the highlight of my week
On July 27 2017 03:11 geript wrote: Not lynching Koshi D2 was a major mistake. I should've been all over that band wagon. My problem is that I've seen Koshi give absolutely 0 fucks as both alignments and I like a few minor comments he made. Overall though, the Ruxxar Lynch on D2 was a fucking travesty because he was far from a good lynch then. Not lynching VA was much tougher IMO; I don't think there were any slam dunk cases around. We maybe could've pulled a lurker lynch for SL, but past that IDK. There weren't any slam dunk cases on D1 and there were a number of people who allowed the lurker scum to not be easy policy lynches.
Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else.
Ruxxar D2 was a huge mistake I felt. Not there to defend himself, everyone had been talking about others the whole day phase...very strange lynch.
i enjoyed lynching him. was the highlight of my week
Lol great lynch for scum of course. I hear ian when he says it exposed Koshi but that was a mistake on koshi's part and hardly inevitable. It could have easily ended right where people left off cause it was barely discussed. And anyway koshi wasnt going to last much longer -shrugs-
On July 27 2017 03:11 geript wrote: Not lynching Koshi D2 was a major mistake. I should've been all over that band wagon. My problem is that I've seen Koshi give absolutely 0 fucks as both alignments and I like a few minor comments he made. Overall though, the Ruxxar Lynch on D2 was a fucking travesty because he was far from a good lynch then. Not lynching VA was much tougher IMO; I don't think there were any slam dunk cases around. We maybe could've pulled a lurker lynch for SL, but past that IDK. There weren't any slam dunk cases on D1 and there were a number of people who allowed the lurker scum to not be easy policy lynches.
Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else.
Ruxxar D2 was a huge mistake I felt. Not there to defend himself, everyone had been talking about others the whole day phase...very strange lynch.
i enjoyed lynching him. was the highlight of my week
ty for moving the lynch off of me also @rsoul: who is ian?
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked.
???
On July 15 2017 18:02 beentheredonethat wrote: Stop that discussion right now, everyone.
Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on.
I mean that 100% of the stuff had already gone off before that post of yours.
That's correct. That's why I said previously that I don't have 24/7 availability. I'm not saying that I solved it, I just summed up my in thread reaction.
Keep in mind there was quite the PM war going on in the meantime .
yeah but you were still able to do votecounts and even a night post.
What's your point?
That you reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" when it was already over, but you had time to do that earlier if you wanted to since you had time to do votecounts and a night post. So you actually didn't react to it when it was relevant. I mean i don't blame you for not finding it relevant to react to it at the time but don't try to basically say you "would have if i could have" since you definitely could have.
As I said, PMs went back and forth during that time. I was not sure what the correct way to act was especially since I was still talking to rsoultin and also Artanis.
I still do not understand your point. It seems to be "btdt, you said something there which is misleading" - so, yes I did, hope it is cleared up now.
Why did you vote for me when you were calling me town all game?
so i did not die. i knew you were town but i preferred that you die over me because you were more likely to die later on.
To be fair, you can never be certain of anyone's alignment other than your own so even if you didn't think he would flip anyway, non-you lynch is always better than you-lynch as town.
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript is actually also prolly mafia ´
This I could get behind.
Color me confused as to why geript thinks Raynaud is maf
idk but geript seems like he WANTS holyflare to be town instead of wanting to figure out if he is town or not. But ruxxar doesnt even want to figure out what you are after finding something "super good".
Within 2 fucking posts too!! He didn't even get asked for the read. No force. No anger.
On July 13 2017 06:34 Koshi wrote: Hello my Minions. Your master will be doing a 1 page filter D1. He is planning on making 3 big quality posts and around 15 "fluff" posts but only when he politely is asked a question or feels like barking a question. Good Minions know that the great leader should be followed, and even naughty Minions know to at least sheep the master his list. Evil Minions will be dealt with. Swiftly and without mercy.
EPT
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