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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On July 27 2017 01:48 Skynx wrote: I'm trying to come up with a way of how we could've avoided the first 2 mislynches, any thoughts? how bout by listening to me | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: I thought I played quite towny lol? Your reads were all over the place. I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum. Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not. Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment. In my eyes that's quite scummy. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote: Your reads were all over the place. I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum. Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not. Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment. In my eyes that's quite scummy. I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 27 2017 01:48 Skynx wrote: I'm trying to come up with a way of how we could've avoided the first 2 mislynches, any thoughts? hm...well, here's a question. why the case right away before reading the full game or the entire filter? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote: Your reads were all over the place. I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum. Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not. Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment. In my eyes that's quite scummy. It's almost like reads update with new information! :O Yeah, I probably did call everyone town and mafia at some point but were my reasonings wrong for that? Did I push that read forever and use it to mislynch townies or did I probe and try and change my read multiple times? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote: I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight. This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote: Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight. This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote: Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight. This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. I find this more true when they actually are light reads? Or people 'forget' an earlier read in the sense that without anything clearly changing (or without stating something that changed their minds on another look) the read changes, especially if it's an excuse to get on a lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On July 27 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote: I mean when I was sure of a read I pushed it for a lynch and gave good reasons and both times they were mafia sooo :O avant-garde, right? | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
I want to say some words about the sexism stuff that was going on. First of all, I do think that there are some lines that you do not cross as a player. It is very well possible to get insulted, to be hurt, and to talk about this in thread. The correct way is to talk to a host about this and this is what Tina did, along with the discussion in thread. Yes, this game is play to win. Yes, technically everything can be a lie and can be made up. Nevertheless, I think at some point everyone, in disregard of his/her alignment, should be realizing that there's something wrong and aks him/herself if bragging about it is still necessary. I have actually gathered quotes from players in host QT which came AFTER rsoultin was replaced and which were super derogatory. Basically, I think the level of discussion that was had, the derogatory (and also the totally overblown) things...I think this is nothing that can be tackled by host actions. Yes, I can replace rsoultin. Yes, I can modkill galore but that won't change people. I think that some people went way over the top and did indeed insult rsoultin in a sexist manner - but I also think (and I do know in parts actually) that rsoultin already talked to them and/or is talking to them to sort things out privately. Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked. I'm not 24/7 available in thread, so sorry for the delays that were given at several occasions, including this discussion. I urge everyone who feels insulted in a serious way to 1. stop discussing immedaitely in thread, stop participating and 2. send a PM to the host and let the host take actions. If a topic is NAI but insulting as fuck, contact a host. That's what we're here for. Overall, yes, mafia game, Holyflare, I get your points - but nevertheless, this discussion was over the top and the fact that rsoultin asked to be replaced out should tell everyone that this kind of shit should not be part of a mafia game. ------------------------------------------------ Balance: yes, the setup was town favored (although the rsoultin/Vivax slot being basically empty didn't help scum). I have learnt my lesson specifically about masons and I will do better next time. ------------------------------------------------ Ban list actions: I don't think any ban list actions will be applicable here. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked. ??? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
eh that was people responding to my big quote post, when i asked btdt to replace or modkill me, whichever was more appropriate lol >< | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On July 15 2017 18:02 beentheredonethat wrote: Stop that discussion right now, everyone. Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On July 27 2017 03:25 beentheredonethat wrote: Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on. I mean that 100% of the stuff had already gone off before that post of yours. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On July 27 2017 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean that 100% of the stuff had already gone off before that post of yours. That's correct. That's why I said previously that I don't have 24/7 availability. I'm not saying that I solved it, I just summed up my in thread reaction. Keep in mind there was quite the PM war going on in the meantime  . | ||
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