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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2017 16:44 GMT
#3121
hm? oh i don't believe i would have thought he was scum this game tbh. i've got an impression of a more careful scumplay from him, right or wrong, so this definitely wasn't it lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 26 2017 16:48 GMT
#3122
I'm trying to come up with a way of how we could've avoided the first 2 mislynches, any thoughts?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 26 2017 16:59 GMT
#3123
On July 27 2017 01:48 Skynx wrote:
I'm trying to come up with a way of how we could've avoided the first 2 mislynches, any thoughts?

how bout by listening to me
good times for all
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 17:00 GMT
#3124
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2017 17:03 GMT
#3125
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2017 17:04 GMT
#3126
On July 27 2017 01:48 Skynx wrote:
I'm trying to come up with a way of how we could've avoided the first 2 mislynches, any thoughts?


hm...well, here's a question. why the case right away before reading the full game or the entire filter?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2017 17:05 GMT
#3127
(also don't think va lynch could have been avoided)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 17:05 GMT
#3128
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


It's almost like reads update with new information! :O

Yeah, I probably did call everyone town and mafia at some point but were my reasonings wrong for that? Did I push that read forever and use it to mislynch townies or did I probe and try and change my read multiple times?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 26 2017 17:07 GMT
#3129
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier


Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.

This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 17:15:31
July 26 2017 17:14 GMT
#3130
On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier


Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.

This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum.


Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2017 17:15 GMT
#3131
I mean when I was sure of a read I pushed it for a lynch and gave good reasons and both times they were mafia sooo :O
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2017 17:15 GMT
#3132
On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
I thought I played quite towny lol?


Your reads were all over the place.
I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum.
Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not.
Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment.

In my eyes that's quite scummy.


I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier


Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight.

This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum.


I find this more true when they actually are light reads? Or people 'forget' an earlier read in the sense that without anything clearly changing (or without stating something that changed their minds on another look) the read changes, especially if it's an excuse to get on a lynch.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 26 2017 17:30 GMT
#3133
On July 27 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote:
I mean when I was sure of a read I pushed it for a lynch and gave good reasons and both times they were mafia sooo :O

avant-garde, right?
table for two on a tv tray
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
July 26 2017 18:08 GMT
#3134
The game is over. Thanks to everyone for playing and thanks to Artanis for doing a flawless co-hosting job. <3

I want to say some words about the sexism stuff that was going on. First of all, I do think that there are some lines that you do not cross as a player. It is very well possible to get insulted, to be hurt, and to talk about this in thread. The correct way is to talk to a host about this and this is what Tina did, along with the discussion in thread.

Yes, this game is play to win. Yes, technically everything can be a lie and can be made up. Nevertheless, I think at some point everyone, in disregard of his/her alignment, should be realizing that there's something wrong and aks him/herself if bragging about it is still necessary. I have actually gathered quotes from players in host QT which came AFTER rsoultin was replaced and which were super derogatory.

Basically, I think the level of discussion that was had, the derogatory (and also the totally overblown) things...I think this is nothing that can be tackled by host actions. Yes, I can replace rsoultin. Yes, I can modkill galore but that won't change people. I think that some people went way over the top and did indeed insult rsoultin in a sexist manner - but I also think (and I do know in parts actually) that rsoultin already talked to them and/or is talking to them to sort things out privately.

Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked. I'm not 24/7 available in thread, so sorry for the delays that were given at several occasions, including this discussion.

I urge everyone who feels insulted in a serious way to 1. stop discussing immedaitely in thread, stop participating and 2. send a PM to the host and let the host take actions. If a topic is NAI but insulting as fuck, contact a host. That's what we're here for.

Overall, yes, mafia game, Holyflare, I get your points - but nevertheless, this discussion was over the top and the fact that rsoultin asked to be replaced out should tell everyone that this kind of shit should not be part of a mafia game.

------------------------------------------------

Balance: yes, the setup was town favored (although the rsoultin/Vivax slot being basically empty didn't help scum). I have learnt my lesson specifically about masons and I will do better next time.


------------------------------------------------

Ban list actions: I don't think any ban list actions will be applicable here.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 26 2017 18:11 GMT
#3135
Not lynching Koshi D2 was a major mistake. I should've been all over that band wagon. My problem is that I've seen Koshi give absolutely 0 fucks as both alignments and I like a few minor comments he made. Overall though, the Ruxxar Lynch on D2 was a fucking travesty because he was far from a good lynch then. Not lynching VA was much tougher IMO; I don't think there were any slam dunk cases around. We maybe could've pulled a lurker lynch for SL, but past that IDK. There weren't any slam dunk cases on D1 and there were a number of people who allowed the lurker scum to not be easy policy lynches.

Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 26 2017 18:17 GMT
#3136
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked.

???
table for two on a tv tray
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2017 18:20 GMT
#3137
On July 27 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked.

???


eh that was people responding to my big quote post, when i asked btdt to replace or modkill me, whichever was more appropriate lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
July 26 2017 18:25 GMT
#3138
On July 27 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked.

???

On July 15 2017 18:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
Stop that discussion right now, everyone.


Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 26 2017 18:34 GMT
#3139
On July 27 2017 03:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked.

???

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 18:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
Stop that discussion right now, everyone.


Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on.

I mean that 100% of the stuff had already gone off before that post of yours.
table for two on a tv tray
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
July 26 2017 18:39 GMT
#3140
On July 27 2017 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 03:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 27 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked.

???

On July 15 2017 18:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
Stop that discussion right now, everyone.


Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on.

I mean that 100% of the stuff had already gone off before that post of yours.

That's correct. That's why I said previously that I don't have 24/7 availability. I'm not saying that I solved it, I just summed up my in thread reaction.

Keep in mind there was quite the PM war going on in the meantime .
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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