EPT[N] TL Mafia LXXV
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Obviously these days getting to that number would be very difficult. The site and the forum just has less traffic than it used to. | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: If this is a closed standard setup. I am going to suggest some things. Cuz I can. And shall. Yay, koshi! On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Count out the game but favor the town numbers a bit by adding extra vanilla's. And then modkill for inactivity till the end of N2. Another option is to not modkill for inactivity and give town the KP to deal with it. I think only extreme inactivity should be modkillable. If someone is making 2-3 posts per cycle town needs to have the time and tools to deal with him. On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Make roles soft. Parity cop/tracker/watcher over cop. Vengeful/mad bomber over Vigi, or vigis that only shoot on even nights. Jailkeepers over docs if kp isn't delivered, otherwise docs over jailers. Avenger is probably actually townfavored (the vigi role that can only shoot if a townie was lynched) but is also a really good role. I actually have a pretty long list of custom roles in my storm mafia games that are weakened versions of other roles. Operator: Masons two people for the next cycle (not himself), useful to give a cop a mouthpiece, but also risky. Reanimator: Doctor that instead of saving someone, only prolongs their life one cycle Avenger: see above Combat Medic: Doctor who saves, but if he makes a save he has to stay with the wounded or they die. If they choose to save someone else, the initial target dies. if medic dies, target dies. "Doctor": A cop that takes a patient in, roleblocks him that night, then receives the alignment on day 3. Works as an odd night roleblocker/even night cop, with the caveat that it's always the same person on 1,2 and 3,4 etc The theme is generally to reduce the massive impact of blue roles, so the game is less swingy (in storm I do it because the game has like 8 blues usually). My doctors tend to prolong life instead of right out denying the mafia kp. My vigis tend to have limitations, my cops tend to get less than average amount of checks. Doing this also helps with not having to use many of the strongest mafia roles (framer, roleblocker, unaware miller etc) because they're not combating super strong blues. I agree with koshi, soft roles are great. On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Fuck up "you-are-now-confirmed-town" night actions. Add unaware millers, add protective roles on mafia team (maybe jailer over rb, or just add a doc), give a framer/gf to the mafia team. The main thing is to add anti-claim roles. Mafia isn't fucked if one person becomes confirmed at night. The most difficult one to fight is a vigilante who can usually kinda confirm himself by making the extra nk. Adding mafia vigis or variations is often good for this reason. Main thing is, adding a role with the same name as town and mafia is a good idea, even if they don't even do the same thing. The "Doctor" above was the town role, while the mafia Doctor was literally just a normal doc. I don't really have a problem with a cop check being fairly reliable, especially if by day 4 or something town only has one or two of them. On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - If there are many blue roles, punish claiming by giving mafia an extra kp that only shoots blues, but only hits if that person claimed a blue role and is actually a blue role. It's a bit of a "dirty" role but should work. Claiming any blue role should make you eligible to get shot, but you only die if you are actually blue. Witch/Shitty Witch is an excellent role: Witch matches a player and a role and if correct, kills the player. Works better in setups with known role options. Shitty witch is the same but loses powers after night 0/1. It's exclusively to counter early blue claiming. Witch kills could be unblockable. On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Mafia kp should start high and end low. Town kp should be 2 each cycle on average. Yes, it's super duper important to plan out mafia kp and game progression. Always do best case (all vigis shoot scum, all lynches on scum), worst case (same in the other direction) and realistic (most kills are town, but some hit mafia) case math to figure out if the game is close to balanced. Things I personally like but aren't standard: On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Never modkill a person with +3 pages of content and who was active for 2 cycles. Even if he is mia for 4 cycles. Agree, just never modkill for inactivity really. On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Do something during D3 to spike activity again. It should be known beforehand so there is no backseat modding ofc. Like mayor elections with double lynch or something. Dnu what. This is a great idea (and probably even more needed on like day 5, when mafia has killed all the townies who care and only people who don't try remain). However I'm not entirely sure what either. It's a difficult balance to strike (you can't just turn the game into another game like I did in Palmar's Purge...) On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: Assassins are usually better, but the trick is to remember they're essentially suicidal vanilla townies, so don't reduce mafia numbers for them. They do little to harm town (they want to look town so they scumhunt like a VT, they only have a single bullet so they won't shoot town, most likely). The only harm to town is that when they leave the game they reduce "town" numbers. They do harm mafia because they actually genuinely try to kill mafia with lynches, and they tend to deny mafia nks if targeted.- Assassins are stupid. SK and survivors are fine. The problem with SKs is that they become kingmakers way too often, massively favoring one side or the other. if an SK randomly shoots your roleblocker as scum you're so often fucked, not to mention if he eats up a NK too. Survivor is a stupid role. On June 07 2017 22:01 Koshi wrote: - Somehow force people to type 60 posts within the first 2 cycles. 5-10 posts (assuming they're at least 3-4 lines each) per cycle is fine for low activity players. It's not so much the amount, but rather that they're actually posting something other than "lol hi guys" into the thread. | ||
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On June 12 2017 00:01 Erfolgsgarant wrote: When i registered, i was 12/17 and it was 3 days since the thread was open. Thats why i assumed it will start sooner with less people.  don't worry about it. The rules aren't always clear to new people. In general, anything with less than 15-16 players is considered a "mini" game and they're usually (but not always) marked as such. The "numbered" games are usually larger games 16-30 (and sometimes more). Those are called "TL Mafia <roman number>". And then there's all the games that don't fit either of the above. | ||
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I am so happy today, we're playing mafia and everything is good! yay! | ||
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I believe in this case. | ||
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On June 14 2017 18:48 Holyflare wrote: It was a depressing I'm not mafia but I'm not town post. No koshi fire and fighting spirit. 투혼  (( | ||
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One way or another I will kill you. | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101. quick, plead the 5th | ||
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On June 15 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: my motivation reading everything is very low. But I'm doing it sucker, just read almost nothing like I do. | ||
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They lynch me when I try, they lynch me when I don't. It's just life man. | ||
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beentheredonethat is strange. There's some weird stuff in his filter like gettin into an argument if he's carefree. But there's also some townie sounding, albeit not very useful stuff. He goes in the "could be either category" AMG hasn't posted at all, lucky me that was an easy filter to read. I still think voting sicklucker is a good idea and I'm gonna park my vote there. Btdt should probably sheep me as he thinks sicklucker's contributions are atrocious. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:37 Koshi wrote: nha. 0 posts is not his mafia style. He has some dignity and respect for the game. He had, tbh. He's the guy who just quit a game because he rolled mafia, as much as I like him (I love the guy, he's by far guy I've interacted most with outside of mafia that I've met here) he has been rather sketchy in his appearances lately. If anything his silence does point to him being mafia (or simply having forgotten about the game). | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:52 Holyflare wrote: 3P: koshi/palmar How many 3Ps are there? I have way more flair when I'm 3p | ||
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Life is good. I'll try to maybe make my statement posts a bit more detailed when I cba. | ||
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I have no idea, I haven't read much lately. I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing. Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:41 Chezitwo wrote: Yeah, basically this. But we should not allow Palmar to keep this up either regardless of his alignment. Surely the stern facial expression will make me snap out of it. | ||
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On June 20 2017 07:40 Chezitwo wrote: So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on. Yes, that is exactly what I am claiming. | ||
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skynx, btdt and sicklucker. | ||
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It's a weak vote atm, I'll probably read some more later. | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote: the "marv disappears when he's scum" shit is actually valid, I can confirm that from Generic I (I think. Might've been one of the other games I hosted). The scum qt in this game is full of "omg I rolled scum" shit. Then again, I haven't seen him post here around tl so I don't know how valid it is also this is one of the few points Palmar can make because he's been absent basically. So I'd treat this with care. chezitwo appeared townie to me I have not read anything of Chezitwo's posts, it's very much just based on that. Which is why I don't particularly want to lynch him, it basically wouldn't be fair to the guy. I'm kinda hoping the situation resolves itself through a vigi shot or something. | ||
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On June 20 2017 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote: He did nothing townie, either. And a super bad reason to not lynch an obvious lurker. He managed to vote each cycle. He even comes in every now and then, throw accusations at people, doesn't follow up AND he freely admits to neither read nor care about this game. I don't know why we don't lynch (or shoot) such a player. To be fair, I freely admit to never reading any game I play. But yes, been extra lazy this game. Just had stuff to do. | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:01 beentheredonethat wrote: Ok the first two things are basically me bitching but the last one is valid and scummy I actually think the first things are better, especially being wrong (mildly... I never voted him) on darthfoley. The last part is completely irrelevant. I posted the first post on day 1 for very good reasons (marv is both a great player and a good friend of mine, so keeping him alive would always be optimal). However when it's clear marv isn't playing and is replaced by a smurf, I no longer have any personal attachments to the slot (ie, I really want to play with marv). So cold calculation leads me to believe it is not unlikely, based on something completely out of his control, that Chezitwo is mafia. However, as I already said, I do not really want to lynch him for that without suspecting him specifically (and not the slot), because it's an asshole thing to do. I didn't even know we had a train on sicklucker. Is there an actual case I can read somewhere? I read a few more posts of skynx, I think I'll be unvoting him, he has a few decent posts. | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:27 Chezitwo wrote: Apparently it did :D How am I supposed to believe that a guy like this: does not realize that marvs universal TL absence is obviously not connected to a mafia game he signed up for ages ago? Walk me through this. Do you actually believe marv would stop himself from posting on this forum because of this game? Not to mention that he stopped posting way before it started and he could know his alignment. marv barely posts outside tl mafia at all, like his entire tl existence is basically tl mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2017 23:45 disformation wrote: yeah i think i'll make a decent case on sl later. basically: creates the annul wagon via "read his filter didnt like it" pushes really hard (uncharacteristic for sl) has a false/bad xata town lean/read says xata might be town after all after flip aaaand: sicklucker being wrong is not really a scumtell. | ||
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On June 21 2017 03:42 Skynx wrote: Palmar are you here? Wtf are you doing this game? enjoying life! Things are going fine, there's plenty of people stepping up and taking charge. I'm loving not having to whip people into shape for once. | ||
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But then again, I like killing sl. | ||
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On June 21 2017 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote: current main wagon: Grackaroni (5): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority D1 main wagon: annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Ruxxar and Fecalfeast are voting together once more. Both rather townread people. Why was everyone so super sure on Fecalfeast again? I think there were valid points but don't remember. VayneAuthority ended up on Skynx D1 and is now up on the Grack wagon after popping in for a while. So D1 a non-committal vote and D3 joining the wagon in a strong fashion (I think joining a wagon as #5/#6 has more weight than #1/#2) which gives me worries. What are VA's reasons? Like, people from the annul wagon aren't exactly cleared. We're focusing on Rels, Grack, ES, but left out Ruxxar for a lot of time (for which exact reasons?) Hmm Ruxxar, from what little I've read of him, kinda sounds like town, but it's not a strong read. | ||
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could we rather do it next cycle so it doesn't happen on a weekend? | ||
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On June 23 2017 13:45 Tumblewood wrote: but one thing we can be 99.9999% sure about is either rayn or palmar is scum. because rayn and palmar are the only natural town leaders still alive and also very respected players, so in any case where scum is a bunch of non-leaders they are 99.9999% killing rayn or palmar On June 23 2017 14:57 Tumblewood wrote: he's not playing This is a possible bullshit vote. I'll give it a rating of maybe 4/10. He never explains explicitly why he is voting me or why he suspects me. He barely even talked about me until the general consensus of the game was that I should be talked about. But he does get some credit for being the first guy on the wagon. | ||
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On June 23 2017 20:41 Rels wrote: I think Palmar needs to go. ##Vote Palmar Not gonna quote all the important mentions. In general Rels has never really thought I'm scum. I am willing to err on the side of insightful rather than tmi with that. Rels knows me and knows this is not really how I play scum. I tend to switch up my playstyles a lot more when I'm town. Like even at this point Rels talks about me flipping non-town, rather than mafia, because he knows that there is no chance I play like this when on a mafia team, the QT tends to keep me at least with the appearance of trying. Now of course there's a chance Rels isn't this smart and is just pushing information he knows, but I think that's the less likely scenario. In general I give his vote a 7/10. The only reason it isn't higher really is that it's flat out stupid to assume there are third parties, but I also have a feeling that he sort of just wants to pressure me into playing. | ||
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On June 23 2017 20:49 Chezitwo wrote: Pull yourself together man. It is getting slightly annoying how much you pity yourself. We can create a wagon on Palmar and see what happens. Sure. But I do not think he has the highest chance of being mafia. It's harder to apply the possible TMI vs insight to Chezitwo than Rels. He agrees with Rels that I am not mafia. He doesn't really think I'm one all, but wants to start a train on me for policy reasons. It is a good policy, I'm a total scumbag for not doing anything, although my Damdred townread was great. Thing is, Chezitwo sounds like someone who knows what he is doing. His posts are readable and concise and I have an easy time following his train of thought in general. So yeah, he fully admits to pressure voting me. I think his reaction and followup today will reveal much more about him than The only thing that gives me pause is that for someone who is good enough to realize that I am much more likely to do this as town than mafia, it feels weird that he made this post: On June 20 2017 07:40 Chezitwo wrote: So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on. You see, if he is good enough and knows me and TL meta well enough to realize I don't do what I'm doing this game as scum, it's weird that he doesn't know that marv tends to go a bit mad when rolling mafia. I don't know. It's weak and I'm not sure he deserves to be lynched, it's not a bad reason for voting me. I think I'll give his vote 7/10 | ||
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On June 25 2017 08:36 disformation wrote: yo palmar. hope you are ready to play starting next day phase  Well do I need to? we just lynched the most scummy guy who wanted to kill me. I think we're doing allright. Let's keep lynching scummy people y'know? | ||
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On June 23 2017 23:36 Palmar wrote: This is a possible bullshit vote. I'll give it a rating of maybe 4/10. He never explains explicitly why he is voting me or why he suspects me. He barely even talked about me until the general consensus of the game was that I should be talked about. But he does get some credit for being the first guy on the wagon. See here, lowest rated vote on my wagon. It might actually be a completely valid strategy that I just rate the votes people put on me and then we lynch the shittiest one. (I didn't rate disfo because 40 pages of filter or something). | ||
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I don't necessarily think it makes him mafia, but it's an anomaly. | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:20 disformation wrote: hmmm... brings me back to my: 1 of rels/rayn 1 of skynx/btdt 1 of palmar/bh Try not to work on assumptions like this, if you're wrong on even one pair, especially if both are mafia, you might end up giving undue towncredit because the other half of the pair flipped scum. Same if both are town. | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:29 disformation wrote: well. everyone thought sl was scum... =D yeah (and so did I) but that guy just messes up so much. | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:30 Palmar wrote: yeah (and so did I) but that guy just messes up so much. Oh wait, I take that back, I'm thinking of someone completely different. | ||
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Do take my reads with a grain of salt btw, I am less involved than usual. | ||
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1) I read it right after VA's, because I kinda liked VA's "scummiest thing is to break character" line. But now I don't understand it. I have no idea what character ES was breaking. 2) ES made a big case on Xatalos. It probably wasn't needed I think? So there's a chance it was created just to appear to do something. 3) In that case I see Xatalos tried to fakeclaim a check on disformation. The only reason I'm suspicious of this being distancing rather than just a desperate clinging to straws, is that if I was on the mafia team, I'd immediately shoot a town disformation the next night, just to get rid of his activity and the fact a flipped mafia "spewed" him town. However, it is important to note I would _never_ suppose we try to lynch disfo at this point. If he is mafia, we simply look for the other two mafia. His sheer activity is too much to justify basically ever lynching him. And he is, even if you can question it, spewed town by Xatalos. 4) ES doesn't really sound like mafia. I don't read his posts and come across thinking he's overly careful or reserved. In conclusion, unless I run out of people to lynch, I am removing ES, VA and Disfo from the lynch list today. (There's no way I'm reading Disfo's filter). | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:55 disformation wrote: like VA was breaking HIS CHARACTER This is what I realize now I read it wrong. | ||
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On June 26 2017 18:56 disformation wrote: also ES is uncc tracker that made us lynch TW (you know who flipped scum rolecop) by explaining to us who SL actually checked. cause she was tracking him and stuff. yes, there's far more to suggest ES, you and VA are all town, which is why I'm removing you all from potential lynches today. Just making sure I do due diligence. | ||
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Turns out I don't really think he is, I don't particularly think he's town either, he's not in the same class of "not lynching today" as the other three, but he talks more like a townie than mafia. And at one point in his filter Ruxxar bitches about rayn nitpicking something Rels said (I haven't found the actual nitpicking yet). But that kinda does sound towny from Ruxxar. | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Xata you're not saying anything in your posts, you're just commenting on things and speculating about 3rd party that's superbad On June 14 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote: Xata disappeared? Two random comments with no meat on them and no real attempt to lynch the guy he's calling superbad and disappearing. Instead, when df offers a wagon on Xatalos, it's instead met with (weak) resistance: On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote: While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons? Read the entire quote that follows. On what level are btdt's contributions helpful or insightful at all. On June 14 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote: So passive aggressive but for real, my impression is that darth is catching up and quoting and posting where he deems it appropriate. super gut feeling but I think it's town. not only does he think the same about ruxxar as I do, he also doesn't like Xata apparently and I don't like Xata, too And through it all, btdt sits on Koshi, despite thinking koshi looks better and Xata worse: On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all. I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town. Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid. Thats kind of where im at. btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread. Then he bitched about it in the night: On June 16 2017 14:59 beentheredonethat wrote: bad thing: Koshi lynch averted bad thing #2: annul being lynched over xata good thing: xata being 2nd wagon I think a scum!xata will give us lots of indication and I highly suggest xata to be shot at night. Maybe should have done something about that? I think there is about 100% chance btdt is mafia ##Vote beentheredonethat I'm not done with his filter, but this day 1 looks very much terrible. I was getting paranoid that I was being to lenient because like the first 4 people I read actually look like townies, but this guy doesn't look like a townie at all on first glance. Please give me reasons why I should townread him if anyone has any. To me this is almost a good enough case on it's own. | ||
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I'm gonna wait for someone who knows more about the game to tell me why I can be wrong. But honestly, this is like a 100% mafia case under any normal circumstances. I'm just slightly unsure because of my complete lack of reading. btw, to summarize my game-state (I'm taking a break), it's currently at this: Good reasons to think town Disfo VA ES Some reasons to think town rayn ruxxar Good reasons to think mafia btdt Unread/No opinion Rels Skynx (lingering townlean from earlier reading) Blazinghand FecalFeast | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Palmar's whole argument is based on a falsely created context. Go back, do not read this post standalone, instead read it in thread context, and you'll see it. My reality is better than yours, now die. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:20 beentheredonethat wrote: "I'll stop trying to create a fake case on rayn and instead fake case btdt because that might be easier" well yes, that is exactly what I did.... You always fake your cases. They're not there to prove to yourself that someone is mafia. But if I can't find anything to write it's probably not a good idea. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Prime example for "uhhhh guys this guy is scum but I don't wanna commit because if he flips town, well, guys, don't lynch me for that" I'm more than fine with people lynching me if I'm wrong. I'm fairly certain I'm right. | ||
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On June 26 2017 22:21 beentheredonethat wrote: by the way, I'm totes fine with a lynch if you promise to lynch Skynx and Palmar after me deal. | ||
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I see no reason at the moment to not lynch him. Complaining about me writing literally one short post and calling it overexplaining bothers me quite a bit. Hell the overexplanation complaint about Skynx is literally me just pointing out that last time I checked out skynx I came away with "not very scummy". It's a completely fabricated and bullshit accusation. On June 20 2017 23:10 Palmar wrote: I read a few more posts of skynx, I think I'll be unvoting him, he has a few decent posts. Saying something like "No opinion on skynx, maybe slight townlean leftover from last time I checked him" is never, ever overexplaining anything. The fact that btdt wants it to be is just meh. Another interesting thing is that btdt is accusing me of hedging, which I always do, always, always, always. It's just how I function is that I say things like "well he could be doing X, but I'm going to believe Y". All you have to do is look at my last game and you'll probably see a million instances (one I remember is me saying Prison Break could be cashing in on a cheap mafia newbie victory, but I'm gonna believe he's town. I was wrong). So I'm good with where I'm at at the moment. For the record, I actually kinda do like Skynx response to my case. It _sounds_ townie. It's still a weak toneread on like day 4 or 5 so I wouldn't put too much stock into it. | ||
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So two out of them (at least) and possibly someone I'm writing off too cheaply. | ||
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On June 27 2017 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand your case but i will try in an hour or so when i am free for a while. I know your last point is incorrect because i already had a discussion about that with btdt. What you got on blazinghand? poe | ||
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On June 27 2017 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Hi. Could lynch skynx rels and idk. Ruxx isn't scum i was just being dumb and bh either turned up the heat because scum was lynched or he's town. I hate having a job No likey | ||
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I'm pretty invested in this btdt lynch at the moment. I don't really see myself changing my mind although who knows. Shit happens all the time. | ||
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ruxx and skynx aren't really good lynch targets today. You need to take sides or at least give an opinion on me and btdt | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:00 disformation wrote: chez prolly has better reads then me, is less likely to waffle, harder to buddy, harder to convince of stuff, more thread pull... etc. also some ppl thought he was kita or rito (rito was my guess). so fits in better with the other kills. *shrugs* could be artanis too. Clearly a solid mid-tier player. A tier above Vivax or so. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you believe you: 1) btdt + bh + rels is the scumteam and there is just a possibility you're missing one in case you are wrong on one of them, or 2) you' morecertain of being wrong on one of them and you are missing someone? eh 2) is more likely, because I haven't read bh+rels. I also didn't like fecalfeast's posts just now, but on the other hand I think I recall like half the thread saying fecalfeast is town. I could be wrong on that though. I also just kinda forgot about him while making that post The point is, I have weak to good reasons to call everyone else town and btdt scum, so if I'm correct that leaves the three of them. However, I also have a very, very proven tendency of always letting one mafia slip on some shitty pass that I give them for sounding like a townie for a post or two, so I wouldn't just blindly lynch my list. And finally, the list is kinda irrelevant, because we just lynch the most scummy player every day, and today I think it's btdt. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:10 disformation wrote: dont even want to know what tier i am then. xD if your ass is scum this game I'll have to bump you a league or two at least | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:11 Fecalfeast wrote: I said ruxx isn't scum so that's handy. I think you are scummy for just showing up to play now but I haven't actually read your recent posts so there's that. Is one of your posts a case on btdt? That would make sense yes. Also, I just didn't feel like playing much until now. And to be honest, I am super impressed that disfo wanted to kill me last cycle, but accepted that I don't play on weekends and literally just moved on to lynch mafia instead. It's excellent town leadership, and makes me want to kinda work for him. Like I think he's town, and if he's town, he deserves that I at least try, because whatever his alignment he's going all in on this game. I don't wanna be the dead weight when someone is trying so hard to make his signature game. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:24 disformation wrote: not sure what i should think of this post like a page or two after i posted that i am usually easy to buddy. also. townleadership? me? on a scale of very to absolutely how drunk are you? and i think we kinda had a tracker tell us that the cop redchecked tw (this sounds amazing tbh). sooo i dont think i am responsible for that lynch. Oh well, I didn't get lynched I like that. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:21 Blazinghand wrote: So... Palm is back in a big way | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:40 VayneAuthority wrote: how disgusting would it be if the entire annul wagon was town lol. all thats left is rels and eversince who is a potential PR... rels has been on and off this game, I cant decide if hes grack-esque lynch bait or just mafia. A lot depends on whether rayn is mafia or not I guess. Mafia tends to stay away from town wagons if they can so who knows, it's not impossible. Rayn's contributions today don't really sound like mafia rayn. And this is not the first time I read rayn and come away thinking none of it sounds like mafia rayn. It's really just HF's insistence at some point that rayn is mafia that keeps that door open. No idea actually if hf changed his mind later. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:41 ruXxar wrote: Rayn has been the most outspoken. BH also has been scumreading rels. I have a few jabs here and there. I am super interested in the reasons why you personally think Rels is scum. Can you write a paragraph or two? Quotes even better. | ||
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how do you not understand that? I think you're town for your content, but for some reason hf kept calling you mafia early day 1, and HF is like at least mid-tier, possibly high-tier player. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean the first time i called Rels mafia is this post: and after this Holyflare hasn't said anything about my read on Rels (which wasn't even in the thread before) so idk what you're talking about Palmar? You're just failing at reading as usual. Carry on. | ||
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I think it's mostly just "too scummy to be scum" Which can be valid, but I don't really buy it in this case. | ||
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aka, if Rels reads the thread he needs to be aware that I'm potentially okay with killing him. My not-today list is: disfo, ruxx, skynx, VA, ES, rayn. The remaining four, bh, btdt, rels and ff are either scummy (btdt) or I haven't read them yet (the other three) | ||
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They shot HF and Koshi, and they also shot chezitwo probably twice. They also shot vivax and someone else. It's all been pretty strong kills, there is no "this guy is alive so he is mafia" applicable on any of us. | ||
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On June 27 2017 07:19 disformation wrote: yes. and it kinda drives me nuts cause i cant tell if the ppl posting that stuff are town wearing their pants on their heads or if its mafia trying to see if they can ml me down the line. or it's people hedging. hedging is good, then I can say I was right no matter the outcome. It's why I hedge. | ||
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On June 27 2017 18:20 Blazinghand wrote: We are? Haven't we already killed a roleblocker, and isn't ES claiming he was roleblocked tonight? | ||
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1 There are no notifications unless absolutely necessary. Is a notification to a Tracker that someone does nothing "absolutely necessary"? If a tracker gets a "null" result, as in the target doesn't move, I would not send such a message, just send nothing (I'm the guy that started the "no notifications" trend on TL). If I was running a game, a tracker would only get a notification if he gets an actual result, and no notification and no way to tell between being roleblocked and simply not getting a result. | ||
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My bad. Also @ES: consider that "no result" doesn't mean "no result" but probably means "no result or roleblocked". | ||
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First of all, I still like the fact that he recognizes I'm not mafia, that there is no way I play this way as mafia. Obviously there's the problem of he might simply know I'm not mafia. People are already accusing him of TMI regarding some lynches so you can add that to the pile. He's also spent the last few pages of his filter basically doing nothing but talking about how good he is and bitching about being scumread. Still not as convinced on him as I am on btdt (who just popped in until the pressure was off him. He seems extremely uninterested in actually lynching me, which is strange given how strongly he scumreads me). | ||
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On June 27 2017 18:52 ruXxar wrote: Can you read the people that actually are lynch targets today palmar? Want some Thoughts. always 1 step ahead of you. | ||
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The more I read of his filter the less I think he's mafia. He's not being very productive at town, he's not doing very towny things, but his entire tone and attitude is very hard to fake as mafia. Maybe he's just good at it. Honestly I would much rather lynch btdt than Rels. | ||
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On June 27 2017 19:30 ruXxar wrote: What do you think about his progression of reads throughout the game? I feel like he is reading a totally different game than I am. Especially his town read of grack and ES didn't make much sense to me from how the game was going. Being right isn't a scumtell. | ||
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But as someone who is often always right, I hate it when people call me scum for being right. | ||
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Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia? | ||
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On June 28 2017 00:45 disformation wrote: hm. so votes are: 4 palmar 3 rels 1 btdt rels votes palmar palmar switches from btdt to rels bh slightly perfers rels per his filter btdt decides the lynch Maybe you should stop sucking and vote someone who is mafia? | ||
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1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me. 2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. 3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it. 4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh. | ||
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So I don't really care anymore, now I'm playing whenever I feel like doing something. I was never gonna participate in HF+Koshi spamfest on day 1, I just didn't want to. I am hoping to read FF before I go, but based just on today I feel like it's extremely likely that the mafia team is something like: ff+btdt+1 And I have no idea who that one is I might be missing. Also maybe I'll come back thinking FF is town if I actually read his filter, but he's not been very useful this cycle. | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: yo plammar: basically: you did play a bit d1, with that single player style or whatever. then you drop of the face of the earth until you get a few votes slapped at you. then you make a half-assed case on someone that look like you just went with the first remotely thing you can find. based only on d1 stuff. you didnt mention/notice btdt wasn't there at eod and the other stuff i pointed out earlier this day phase. you dont respond to me pointing that out. you dont look at the other parts of btdt's filter. you dont push btdt. instead you first make a super creepy buddy post onto me and now you start calling me names. there is 0 reason to think you are town. That's where you're wrong kiddo | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: yo plammar: basically: you did play a bit d1, with that single player style or whatever. then you drop of the face of the earth until you get a few votes slapped at you. Didn't feel like playing at that time. On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: then you make a half-assed case on someone that look like you just went with the first remotely thing you can find. based only on d1 stuff.. I have enough for a conviction, I don't need to read more. On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: you didnt mention/notice btdt wasn't there at eod and the other stuff i pointed out earlier this day phase. you dont respond to me pointing that out. Actually I did, I said that sure him being away at eod could be a super unlucky problem or a convenient excuse, it only marginally detracts from my case. On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: you dont look at the other parts of btdt's filter. No, I read enough to know he's mafia On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: you dont push btdt. Yes I do, to the point where I'm slowly eliminating most other people in order to prove he's the best lynch today. On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: instead you first make a super creepy buddy post onto me and now you start calling me names. You made a post that was like "I always forget you don't play on weekends", and then the thread moved away from me. I assumed it was you being a leader. In any case, you are leading this town. TL has a serious lack of people willing to do leadership. In general most townies don't really do much. It's always a good thing. I've never had a problem complementing people doing things I like. On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote: there is 0 reason to think you are town. Yes there is! | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote: 1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about. If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments. Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you. Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier. 2) Meta read 3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia. You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that. Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push? 4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨ Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I? | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is factually false. 100% factually false. Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong. | ||
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On June 28 2017 01:41 Rels wrote: well. OK. ##Unvote ##Vote Palmar Rels lynching people he doesn't think are mafia. noted. | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw. What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not. Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like. My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town. | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:51 ruXxar wrote: Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose? Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either: 1) bait people into pushing DF. 2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata. I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me. To give people an idea about what I felt about him at the time. I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters. Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read. When I discredit people I do it like I just did with rayn, I attack their premise instead of their alignment. There is no need to call someone scum to discredit him, it's much easier to call them bad. I don't think rayn is mafia, but god do I know he's bad. | ||
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On June 28 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Hm. Palmar wagon seems trash just based on votes plus the rels switch for no apparent reason is disconcerting Rels voting with his #1 scumread also noted. | ||
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Give me one lynch, then you can do whatever stupidity you want. Kill btdt for me. | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know you are not tryharding. I also don't see how what you are doing is useful and good sadly. Look i wanted to talk to you about Rels. I have wanted to since last thursday when you showed some life while knowing weekend is coming. Finally yesterday you actually engaged me in conversation about it but that dropped as soon as i actually asked your opinion on the things on him. I asked you about FF, and i don't think that is much: The reason i usually end up scumreading you is because i try to engage into a conversation with you about who i think is mafia and who you think is mafia but as soon as i try, you drop off the face of earth. If i am completely honest you're doing it again. I don't think btdt is mafia. I don't know if you think or do not think Rels is mafia. I have absolutely no idea where you actually stand in this game except that you think btdt is mafia. And it is worrying me because i am trying to find a mafia lynch where people can actually fucking agree on. I don't necessarily need you for doing that, but generally trust in your insight so i would rather have you help. And you not doing that is worrying me. And now i gotta fucking leave to work in 15 minutes. Yeah but I also don't really wanna do these conversations. It's you, marv, jat, hf etc who do these long stupid ranting conversations. I have sometimes obliged, but I don't like doing it, I think it's pointless. I read posts, come to a conclusion and make my case. Only if I think you're bringing up an extremely valid point about someone do I care, and to be honest, I almost never understand any of your points. I know you don't think btdt is mafia, you said as much. I still want to lynch him, and yes I'll pop in by the deadline to vote Rels if I can't turn the votes. There's a chance he's mafia, there's no chance I am. I'm also not worrying that people should all agree. In general people are very much often wrong in mafia. The point isn't for everyone to agree, those are usually the worst lynches, see grackaroni this game. I have no idea why I caved and voted him without reading him. I should have been a jerk about it, but I was busy and lazy. The best lynches come out of conflict, because conflict weeds the shit cases out and forces people to take stances. I just wish half of town's stance wasn't "well uh let's lynch palmar now because reasons". | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that. This is my scumread 8:::::::::::::D And this is your townread 8::::D Size matters. | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:02 ruXxar wrote: There's nothing in here that makes me feel better about you, sorry. well you bad then. | ||
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Strength of reads from town to scum: (but take with a grain of salt if I flip, I am after all only slightly involved). VA/ES/disfo Skynx/rayn ruxxar/Rels Blazinghand fecalfeast btdt | ||
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On June 28 2017 06:27 Eversince wrote: It's a boring lynch. That worries me. If Palmar is town here meh. I could apply the same general thought process to a few other players this game. I ran along the same path on Grack but he had wifom city lego blocks in my head too. So I was a bit more confident on him. Still was wrong. I still want to lynch him though because at this point in the game he's proven that he's not going to play much one way or another. Which isn't constructive for town, only hurts it. And if constructing stances with "I looked at this filter and think he's town/null/scum" with no follow up, explanation, or desire to actually do anything with those reads (the one exception being a D1 case on D5) is considered 'good town play', then I'm worse at this than I thought. More so when everyone around at the time was saying 'convince us of your lynch'. And he just putters out with a "I'll vote Rels to survive". Counting on being meta read is a terrible way to play. I know both alignments play the lurk/uninterested/afk type of thing all the time though. Makes me nervous wrong I might play as much as I feel like at some point! | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:21 ruXxar wrote: I'm very interested in hearing about your #2 fefe scum read. Got a case? poe and his effort/interest today. Basically, I have a better reason to believe everyone else is town. | ||
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On June 28 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote: If you wouldn't want to lynch me, who would it be right now? ff But honestly, I would have to go read ff's filter if that was the case But I haven't, so don't count too much on it. | ||
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On June 28 2017 04:14 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh hey yeah let's all lynch me boys totally not lynchbait this is the worst overreaction to people even mentioning lynching him. He's literally the opposite of a lynchbait this game. | ||
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On June 28 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote: You're townread by the majority of people I think and you've never been considered to be the lynch I'm not sure why you jump onto yourself being lynchbait I think you aren't as in, I agree with this. | ||
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On June 28 2017 05:04 disformation wrote: man. i am tired as fuck. wanted to write something about palmars d3 where he ended up sheeping vivax read on grack in the end. adn then went like "oops". he had actually a few posts on that. *shrugs* overall i am not sure if i would be more pissed if we dont lynch palmar today and he turns out be scum or if we lynch him and he flips town. so i think rayns response to palmar is prolly town cause i can kinda feel that too. which means i am more confident i rayn being town. doesnt help me with the palmar thing though. and rels had palmar as scum #3 or something. so not really a town read. still does sheep me. wat? Rels had me as 3rd party for a long, long time. It's rather scummy he's now okay with my lynch. He's basically letting a lynch he knows isn't a scum lynch just go down without much in the way of fighting it. | ||
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On June 28 2017 05:28 disformation wrote: maybe ill just go to bed and hope i was right. xD good thing: if palmar is scum, i have been voting scum every single day so far. which would be great. i kinda want to piss scum off real hard for not shooting me. your streak is about to end bro. | ||
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On June 28 2017 06:14 Blazinghand wrote: i have bad feelings but only about stuff Palmar has said/done since daybreak. I imagine he finally realized he was in danger of losing after his 2nd partner died and once there was pressure on he tried to play. And Palmar plays well. But this is the right move, he is the most likely to be scum. This is a scummy post because the bolded is completely fabricated. Hell, even if I flipped scum you should probably kill BH for that sentence because it's just him making up some bullshit storyline in his mind that fits the agenda he's pushing. | ||
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On June 28 2017 06:43 Eversince wrote: To be fair I've said I wasn't a huge fan of Palmar before. He didn't fit with my original poe team. But when that was proven to be wrong I pretty much went back to were I was with him before it. Same general problem I have with BH right now. BH has done what exactly? I'd literally have to go filter him because the things I remember amount to "Hi, I'm glad I can continue to be useless!" The fact that he "lived up to it" means nothing to me. I got scum read by most people in the game and at least I try to play when I am around. This is a towny post. | ||
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On June 28 2017 06:57 Blazinghand wrote: NO YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK THIS SHIT I WANT TO SHENNANNIE ONTO RELS WHO IS WITH ME Even if Rels flips scum this DOES NOT clear blazinghand, it's not really a genuine push. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:01 Blazinghand wrote: god can we just get the flip already Vanilla Town | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:09 Rels wrote: that doesn't even make sense. How was I as scummy as "dude is 100% scum and I should have voted him as soon as the day started" Palmar at best eh, at worst scummy post. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:23 Blazinghand wrote: actually it's consistent, nvm: you are just arguing I am scum I am laughing in real life at that conclusion. You're a gem BH, never change. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:25 Rels wrote: yeah, you had to convince me today. But our main thing you did wasn't convincing: your BTDT case. Which was based on things that were wrong, and easily checkable. So, sorry if you're town, I know it's hard to put the effort when everyone is against you. But your case wasn't good Case was based on nothing that is wrong. Also you're ignoring everything else I did, and finally at no point did you show any interest in getting anything from me. Disfo, rayn etc really tried to reason with the giant pile of "fuck you" that I can sometimes be, trying to get me to explain things. You? Nada. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:30 Rels wrote: But here am I ... Case was actually based on wrong stuff: Rest of your posts today were easily fakable. You are now scum | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:43 Skynx wrote: Scenarios of BH making the play he did few pages back: Palmar is scum with BH: BH trying to save scumbro, needs 2 more votes. Highly unlikely and super duper risky either way if all scum sits on one train, they would prolly just bus. Palmar is town, BH is scum: Showing town tendancy ahead of mislynch? Not sure if he's under serious threat to do that kind of play, if he just flew under the radar i think would be much better from his pow if palmar flips town. BH is town: Baiting i guess??? Regardless of Palmars alignment scum could follow here, since getting off the train if scumbuddy is getting lynched wont hurt them and vice versa. Really if he's baiting it just doesn't makes sense as any follower is pretty much nai. BH making that play as town is highly unlikely to me. :D | ||
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This is by the way a pretty towny post I think. The conclusion is probably right, but the thought process looks very towny to me. But then again, I am just a lazy townie. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:49 Rels wrote: so vote is Palmar 6 - me 5 right now. Looks like scum are debating if they wanna show face or not lol | ||
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If you are town I actually want to be lynched, rather you than me having to fight this shit for another cycle. It'll literally be torture. | ||
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Thank you Blazinghand, for all you've done for me. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:54 Rels wrote: well. BH / Palmar are scum for sure. BTDT I don't know You better not flip town on me boy. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:54 beentheredonethat wrote: ##unvote ##vote Rels Skynx still on Palmar I'm actually okay with these shennanies Yeah this guy is probably mafia shennie? | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:56 Rels wrote: again this is a big lie. I've played way more than Palmar. He only tryharded this phase. Only lies all around. Palmar / BH is 100% scum Well I have like 8 pages of filter and at the start of this day my filter was only as long as rayn's penis | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:57 beentheredonethat wrote: you know what ##unvote ##vote Palmar Look at Skynx jumping back on me scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum | ||
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kill rels | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah I really want to switch for lulz but I'm not. SAD. | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:59 Rels wrote: Palmar / BH are 100% scum Dunno what to think of BTDT, very likely town, or scum afraid of bold switch scum afraid of my dick | ||
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On June 28 2017 07:59 beentheredonethat wrote: super easy: Skynx: btdt is scum Skynx realizes: no traction, and people still townread btdt Skynx waffles, hedges, says at some point "meh btdt is town" And the very minute I do something that doesn't match the pattern, he comes back on me. I'm super locked on Palmar/Skynx. skynx is 100% town | ||
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TL towns need to start growing some balls to actually win shit. | ||
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