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darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 05:15 GMT

#1631

On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:
my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler +

not really

but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD

Explain why you TR koshi and are switching in disformation pls

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 13:40 GMT

#1707

On March 21 2017 20:45 Koshi wrote:
He is way more obnoxious as town. Makes terrible posts. And pisses me off every game. This game he makes ok-ish posts, and never sticks out his neck.

Does anybody reads him town for a really good reason? Which is not "he looks harmless"

I'm glad you hold me in such high esteem! So you're basically scum reading me for making better posts than when I'm town... sounds legit

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 13:51 GMT

#1713

I will be on in a couple hours

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 16:42 GMT

#1883

On March 21 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic"

+1.

I'm on page 89 but Xatalos actions make no sense from a blue perspective or a real JK trying to throw shade on a scum claiming

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 16:53 GMT

#1894

On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:

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Shows guilt

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Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth.

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So much bad in this sentence.
1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason.
2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong.
3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn.

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On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:

On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:

On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:

On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?

rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.

Yeah, about that.

On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?

I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.

I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.

I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.

And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.

In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.

@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?

Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.

When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?

Building off of what Koshi said, I find the wording of the first and last sentence to be very hedging and scummy, which is ironically what Xata started to say about me yesterday iirc.

The whole "Eden's reasoning made sense to me and I liked it but it doesn't mean I think your scum" just seems to walk the line a little too delicately.

Secondly, the last sentence just seems off. "Because you're active, I won't pursue the matter" ...? Compare that to what rayn said (which is partly why I TR him early)

On March 18 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh and i don't care about people being pro-active or not. I care about being right and lynching mafia.

It is really easy for mafia to appear active and contributing, especially D1, latching on to simply AFK people. Agree with Koshi with his last question

also show the nested quote before koshi's bolded part to see what i'm referring to

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 16:59 GMT

#1903

On March 22 2017 00:32 Damdred wrote:

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Yes, I do like this thought to.

I also like the thought that he put a lot of work coming with solutions that he takes no real stance on himself. All of that writing and he comes up with 0 conclusions on his own.

Its a bit bothering me on both points, and super interesting the easiest one is the lesst likely to him.

Sorry but this is ass cheeks. I do take a stance on what I think is more likely and less likely. I DO explain WHY I find the scenarios likely or unlikely. So I do make "conclusions" about the scenarios. Why is it super interesting the I find the "easiest" one the least likely? Please, elaborate and show me your conclusions about why ritoky died!

Fair point to Koshi I guess but your addendum is absolute garbage

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:04 GMT

#1909

Btw I still think Eden is the lynch today. I voted for disformation for CW and discussion purposes but i'm more comfortable with Eden dying than Xatalos, especially because I don't think there's been a slam dunk case for Eden's townieness yet now the winds seem to be shifting off of him even though he's done absolutely nothing.

Yea there may be question marks about Xata or whatever, but if Eden is scum and his scum mates get the obvious lynch off of him without him having posted, I will eat my own ass in frustration after this game.

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:05 GMT

#1910

so ##unvote

##vote Eden

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:08 GMT

#1915

On March 22 2017 01:06 Xatalos wrote:

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Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).

This is why I am uncomfortable lynching Xata for the time being. He seems to be the only one seriously considering THIS specifical scenario in which rayn can't be CC'd. Is it likely? Not really, but the fact that he's arguing it is townie IMO. Like why throw this much shade towards a blue, if you're scum!Xata?????? What is the end goal

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:11 GMT

#1920

Yea I have conflicting feelings about Xata right now. Still think Eden is always the lynch here

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:18 GMT

#1931

On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.

So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him?

No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen.

This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game.

The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:21 GMT

#1935

On March 22 2017 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On March 22 2017 02:08 darthfoley wrote:

On March 22 2017 01:06 Xatalos wrote:

On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote:

On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:

On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:

On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:

On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.

Why would he do it as mafia?

Why ask this question?
And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?

Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.

As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.

As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.

I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia.

Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA?

Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).

I am not getting lynched today 100%. If he is mafia he is gonna draw out the other PR and "cannot be blamed about it because he was right in that if it's all vanilla setup rayn can be mafia".

I guess, but I don't really get how questioning you would draw out the other blue in this scenario. Unless you mean the other blue would claim to protect you... which would be fucking stupid lol

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:23 GMT

#1936

Koshi, what has Calix done recently that you still think she's lock town?

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:27 GMT

#1941

On March 22 2017 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthFoley why are you focusing on some stupd fucking shit that has nothing to do with the current interactions in the game, EVERY TIME?

Wtf are you talking about dude? Yall were bitching at Calix like 2 pages ago and I just read the last 10 pages because I've been in class all day. So my questions are relevant to what has been happening

I've given my opinion on Xata, Eden, and shit that's been going on in the thread. Forgive me if I have my own questions that I want answered. Seriously, fuck off if you're gonna ignore the posts I make

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:30 GMT

#1944

On March 22 2017 02:23 Xatalos wrote:

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I think the current situation is good. No matter if I or Eden gets lynched in the end, scum have to play their hand to some extent. It would be safer to just bus Eden to eternity if he's the only wagon and scum. And I think if he was town, he would have been lynched comfortably like Malongo, so that's likely the situation (town vs scum).

Agreed. I don't see why everyone seems to have forgotten all the points made against Eden over the past 12 hours. I think Eden has a much higher chance of flipping scum than this current wagon on you

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:31 GMT

#1945

On the other hand, a fun and heated 1v1 always gets the blood pumping

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:35 GMT

#1949

On March 22 2017 02:32 Xatalos wrote:
DF, are you trying to pocket me or genuinely agreeing on everything

Nah, I mean I think there are question marks regarding you regardless of Eden's flip. I just really dislike the climate of the game right now, especially nearing the deadline

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:38 GMT

#1952

On March 22 2017 02:37 Calix wrote:
BTW DF, I used GREEN - AS IN, TO SYMBOLISE TOWN - to highlight the parts I liked. I hope you're proud

You have made me more satisfied than you can comprehend

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:40 GMT

#1957

On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?

Maybe.

At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.

For the sake of the argument, say rayn is really the blue role he claims that has been not CC'd. Take him out of your equation. How do you feel about the other people in the game: TW, damdred, Koshi, disformation, Calix. Any pecking order currently of how you view these players?

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 21 2017 17:48 GMT

#1963

Speaking of sitting on the sidelines

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disformation

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