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On March 20 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:halfway done and you have all null reads! useful. strange.
actually did you even read my post?
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To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though.
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On March 20 2017 04:03 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 03:54 Xatalos wrote:On March 20 2017 03:51 Onegu wrote:
IRL reasons. May replace if things dont get better in the next 3 hours or so.
Rayn and DBS/Ritoky=Scum rayn/DBS/ritoky scumteam you mean....? How come? Ritoky and DBS same person. Rayn is also scum. DBS because of reasons I game already and Ritoky has done nothing that has changed my mind. Rayn feels off to me. Like his defense of DBS seemed off. Meh. not sure about this one though.
You might not have seen this but Rayn now scum-reads DBS/ ritoky (N1 development). Would recommend looking at that.
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On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote:
To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though.
Does being in a blind tunnel make one town though?
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On March 20 2017 04:05 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:On March 20 2017 03:58 disformation wrote:
as you see i am working on it -.- halfway done and you have all null reads! useful. strange. actually did you even read my post?
Yea ritokys response to your list is shit. There were clear leans in it for like 4 people.
I still have yet to see anything to make me think disfirmation is scum.
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On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote:
To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though.
Where do you think the scummers lie at this point?
Part of me really thinks Rels is one of them and he's just fucked off to avoid suspicion early
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On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy
? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar.
Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right.
You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.
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Dunno about DBS/ritoky. Nothing hugely stands out as towny/scummy. Onegu why was he your stronger scumread?
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On March 20 2017 04:10 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote:
To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though. Where do you think the scummers lie at this point? Part of me really thinks Rels is one of them and he's just fucked off to avoid suspicion early
Excellent question because I don't know.
I think Eden is scummier than not but when I try and look for other scum-reads, I come up with nothing. I flip back and forth and have a million reasons to think people are town. The fact that no lynch seems satisfying is a red flag to me but since that would imply that the vets/ AFKers are scum, I don't know what to do about that -.-
Like you could just lynch AFK people but if we're in the scenario of multiple scum vets then that'll fuck us over like nothing else.
I am actually expecting this night kill to be informative early on for once.
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Unless they are boring and shank me, of course.
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On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.
Well, from my point of view rayn is just pushing townies for weak reasons and with huge, inappropriate force. Malongo was town, I'm town, and Damdred is at least more likely town than rayn - and certainly not scum for the reasons rayn proposed. He's not even really listening or changing his views. He pretty much ignored Damdred, ignored me several times (although at least he responded to me at times) and Malongo was more of an "lynch the AFKer". It fits the view that he's scum and pushing whatever may stick to mislynch, not so well with an "active and helpful town mindset".
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From the town rayn I know, he's generally more likely to wait until he finds something truly damning before going full YOLO like that. Here he just finds something, however insignificant, and never lets go once he decides to push that issue...
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If I die (not very likely, I guess), just one wish: don't let rayn get an easy pass going forward. Otherwise I'm not quite sure, but rayn is the one I'm most worried about right now.
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On March 20 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon. Well, from my point of view rayn is just pushing townies for weak reasons and with huge, inappropriate force. Malongo was town, I'm town, and Damdred is at least more likely town than rayn - and certainly not scum for the reasons rayn proposed. He's not even really listening or changing his views. He pretty much ignored Damdred, ignored me several times (although at least he responded to me at times) and Malongo was more of an "lynch the AFKer". It fits the view that he's scum and pushing whatever may stick to mislynch, not so well with an "active and helpful town mindset".
I mean, sure with Malongo, but if you believe rayn is pushing easy lynches that can get traction. I mean, you have the highest activity and damdred is, for me, top 2 hardest to get lynched in the player list. So I don't really see how that is the path of least resistance....If he was targeting LHF I think his line would be much different.
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On March 20 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon. Well, from my point of view rayn is just pushing townies for weak reasons and with huge, inappropriate force. Malongo was town, I'm town, and Damdred is at least more likely town than rayn - and certainly not scum for the reasons rayn proposed. He's not even really listening or changing his views. He pretty much ignored Damdred, ignored me several times (although at least he responded to me at times) and Malongo was more of an "lynch the AFKer". It fits the view that he's scum and pushing whatever may stick to mislynch, not so well with an "active and helpful town mindset".
It doesn't matters how many townies someone pushes. Townies can be very wrong. Townies can scum-read three townies for days on end. It's more how they do it, really.
The part where he totally ignores facts that don't fit his narrative is more concerning but I don't think that means he's really 'trying to ML you as scum' because he would have to know that people would pick up on him doing that and thus think he's less credible and persuasive.
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On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.
You lecturing me on not using a binary system to judge the game while using categories of "good" and "bad" is an irony of the ages.
I read a whole lot of words and hear a whole lot of nothing. If you want to pull out the "I'm new" card, that's fine, but go back and read the first 40 pages.
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On March 20 2017 04:25 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon. You lecturing me on not using a binary system to judge the game while using categories of "good" and "bad" is an irony of the ages. I read a whole lot of words and hear a whole lot of nothing. If you want to pull out the "I'm new" card, that's fine, but go back and read the first 40 pages.
Well if you wanna talk about the game at all once you're over me saying your posts are bad I am open. But no, I am not going back to read day 1, it is pointless. I do suggest you get out of viewing the game as side vs side or those who agree with me vs those who don't. Mafia very often hedge (particularly early) and staying in that state of mind loses you a lot of games to sneaksters.
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On March 20 2017 04:24 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote:On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon. Well, from my point of view rayn is just pushing townies for weak reasons and with huge, inappropriate force. Malongo was town, I'm town, and Damdred is at least more likely town than rayn - and certainly not scum for the reasons rayn proposed. He's not even really listening or changing his views. He pretty much ignored Damdred, ignored me several times (although at least he responded to me at times) and Malongo was more of an "lynch the AFKer". It fits the view that he's scum and pushing whatever may stick to mislynch, not so well with an "active and helpful town mindset". It doesn't matters how many townies someone pushes. Townies can be very wrong. Townies can scum-read three townies for days on end. It's more how they do it, really. The part where he totally ignores facts that don't fit his narrative is more concerning but I don't think that means he's really 'trying to ML you as scum' because he would have to know that people would pick up on him doing that and thus think he's less credible and persuasive.
He's gotten away with it several times already though. I basically debunked his Malongo case, and he actually pretty much gave up on 50% of his case, and stopped arguing about the rest, but it didn't affect his read in the slightest (even though both of his reasons were weak to begin with). Then I showed him how Damdred's question at the start could easily come from town, but he just repeated and repeated his argument that it makes Damdred sure scum without any real thought process. Now he puts Tumble as town and me as scum based on a totally incorrect narrative of how the EOD went down. And basically accuses me of being scum for doing pretty much the same thing as he himself did (accepting a slightly lower-priority lynch happening on D1 - Malongo for both of us).
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On March 20 2017 04:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:25 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon. You lecturing me on not using a binary system to judge the game while using categories of "good" and "bad" is an irony of the ages. I read a whole lot of words and hear a whole lot of nothing. If you want to pull out the "I'm new" card, that's fine, but go back and read the first 40 pages. Well if you wanna talk about the game at all once you're over me saying your posts are bad I am open. But no, I am not going back to read day 1, it is pointless. I do suggest you get out of viewing the game as side vs side or those who agree with me vs those who don't. Mafia very often hedge (particularly early) and staying in that state of mind loses you a lot of games to sneaksters.
Why is it pointless
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Maybe "without any real thought process" was an exaggeration. It seemed like he actually somehow believed in his point on Damdred, although it was extremely weak/complicated..
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EPT
